the, the next on dw. well, the in progress pop calls to everyone who wants to know more about this topic. that concerned about this story is beyond the headlines world in progress. the w cost cost i worry about the will of a west to continue to do what needs to be done. strong words from my desk this week data is full, the deputy supreme commander of your so richard sheriff, there is still in your, among european countries a lingering feel that somehow we can go back to some sort of states as quote and to with russia side is not going to happen. so what does he think will happen? so the lobbying prospect soon focus the loud wake up, cool for york, the american general. so richard sheriff,

welcome to come pick. so thank you very much and just bear with me here. you've kind of jumped up some successes on the battlefield in recent weeks. i've actually taken back control of drilling platforms now in the black sea. i've been on it if you could give us an idea of some of the, of the scale of the challenges k of now faces in order to make further advances. and i think it would be really difficult to overestimate the challenge. i mean, the brand is, uh, uh, ranged against what a stablish rushing defenses other options have, have time to begin. they know, by digging in they've got in probably by the book. and the credit is gonna break it into that very, very well. as i mentioned, zine break through, it's by going to take don, mine feels like go to us, they've gotta keep with the significant, the top 10 rated incoming file. they're going to break through and then they're

going to break out and they're going to do all of this without proper eye color without a superiority which no nature allow me, would consider that insight about that doing as well. no, no. so i'm a full stop has done a pies up to go crossing in really difficult circumstances, you know of the day. so i'll be with the exception of the u. s. codes because even take this long coded and it's cutting it back out and fold. oh, i think i think it is, i think any nice i well, i mean, but, but that aspires to high intensity, come back on pricing would be, would be prepared to take this on, but not with our an extraordinary amount of time preparation, training of building up the equipment building are kind of national during your time in a sense it is, is this as well? um, i mean the, the, the college and did in 91 was to break for the rocky defensive position, but it was on a past. so it was pretty easy, guy never has done this since the 2nd world war in your medicine has always have

sped, j is on counter insurgency in places like iraq, as you mentioned, that kind of stuff. so they're not exactly used to defending against a huge invasion, but your emphasis and the last few months has been on telling them that they should is that which i think is going to happen. i think it's nice to have is to deter russia long tom. nature is going to be printed prepared for the worst case, which is to be prepared to fight russia. we have major armies of golf. i've got to put the conference agency mindset behind them and we can talk about. so there is an understanding of time constituted. combat operations, which was the underpinning of national armies during the cold war. now that's going back a very long time. i've started a new generation, have got to find ways to do as the exact same sleet of foot to resubmit it. as if we've seen the it's members obvious have spent a few days in latvia training where someone just realized the whole data and

personnel speak the same language with the same degree of proficiency, nevermind type job. so the 3 out of 24, but his big military vehicles broke down on the boat the way it's not impressive is at the moment as well and they serve me and i remained silent. no, sir, but you have to recognize it was nice that it takes time that it's a consensus organization i added it's got to be able to is it has to move up to speed of a flight of shipping. the convoy, i mean, coming back to your fast, they're all tempted and that's a strategic point. you know, a tactical points that you're talking about. well, that's what exercises are for the test to get it right until during this time, right? things are going wrong. and so that you can put them right. so they sort of fluids or thoughts made. so multinational operations, at least it's the but it needs to hurt and it's capability and it's the higher and it's kind of producing by training of that that can do that. and really pursue the, the to see, right. so then spin, it can, it can build

a big begin to build up that to turn capability that is needed for that side of build up by that sounds. now i went all the. busy way more than 18 months into the largest live more in europe since the 2nd world war. shouldn't things be going a little bad on these bags and matches, and things going wrong. the battle from the start and brought from us. i mean, we need to recognize this more didn't begin in february 20 uh, february 2022. it began in, in, in, in march 2041, the right. when ross or a talked to brian. all you play february 2014 wanted a nice kind that i just made. so i was working on them and really puts it in place . the measures were clogged to build up its high intensity capability a. we might not be where we are, be your brain might off by re, by we all anyway, factors. we all where we all said was served, showed us to the grind started make it happen, drive home as you call to for not to do that sort of thing. so i'm with you completely. last year, a study as parameters,

the car callous of all the data is previous plans for defending the baltic states. a country with basic therapy wiped out of the map by a russian a box, tomatoes, extensive climbing stuff over the years of a cold loss in k, vist, that pos ability. well, that's exactly why i write my book. yeah, russia, i hi, highlighting the french to the baltic states, written as a way count cool to get and they started thinking about what it would do because cock how this was absolutely right. that if the russians attacked, it would have presented may. so with the 2 options, one, run by accept number 2 months, a massive invasion of the voltage states to reach out to them. and so it is absolutely right. no, i'm not privy to the planning, but nature is putting in place extensive plans to defend nay to entire truth, which is exactly what it should be doing. but at the same time it's one thing to put a plans in place. it means the means to protect and that comes,

brings us back to building up no size to turn. the capability of that means focusing on high intensity conflict on the capability is required for high intensity conflict. it also means of providing the cash to do that stuff. that, i mean, you've got the 3 largest economies in mesa, you got from germany and it's all, they still don't paying 2 percent of g d p to most defense. so what kind of signal does that send to the kremlin? like a wireless? it's under, sorry that's, that's a pretty ball. second, a lot of pain. let's look at the positives last. i'm in the positives of countries like island. absolutely building up. it's kind of built as a go. the voltage sides started a lot. the through right now, likewise, of course that guys were not saying not i was in the czech republic, recently the czech republic are really putting down money while they're in boxes and building up the capabilities is that you're absolutely right. countries like germany, it's so late for us, not yet beginning to spend 2 percent of gdp. indeed,

the job of defense budget for 2023 is that it was for 2022. what sort of cycle does lots and what does that tell you about the cycle? so i can vendor this cycle moments of greats. change when germany was going to guarantee 2 percent of g d p. yeah. on yeah, in defense, i would also not just like i wouldn't let but, and also the whole kinds of, i mean bridges. so not cosette. brittany will spend 2 percent 2.5 percent of g d p . when the economy allows that off right? isn't good enough and that's where a long way of showing in this country side of western european countries, frankly need to wake up. it's a little ball game in this conflict and ukraine with all the stop logistical military political. i'm a sudden to strode into the mix. how are it? would you be? well, on an optimist, i made sure, but i'm also rest rid of this. i think the ukraine will achieve its military objectives. ukraine does not kind of stop slicing. you kind of determination,

but will, in ukraine, is absolutely extraordinary. ukrainians and that as i stop fighting, ukraine will stop existing as a country. and so they won't go on fighting until they've defeated russia with all with on the west. what does want to me though, is the west support for your crime? american support for your grand we're coming up to the election. yeah. free of or leading republican the content? those upside by would pull out pull americans support from ukraine. i don't know. election. yeah. means potential in decision and stuff is i worry about the level of capabilities support in, for example, whether your time continue to dig deep and provide the admission of our capabilities that your crime needs. so i want to back provide rotation. i worry about prevarication. for example, jonathan is still hasn't made up his mind whether to send taurus the long range precision no so seriously capable and exactly what your training needs to

complement it's high miles on the british storm shadow as well. so those of the, i worry about the will of a west to continue to do what needs to be done. and there's a simple equation. yeah. if the west does, what needs been done, the west is going to be more secure because it will mean ukraine can defeat russia quickly. if this thing runs old on, on, on the west as your, as a whole, will be less secure and in jeopardy storage. and we don't talk much about on the, in was these days. but it's an honorable stops in your view for the west to say to you, okay. okay, you go ahead and cite di for our values, and we'll give you some of what you need to do that. but we're not going to risk upsetting your. it'd be too much so that he turns off is that on mobile? well, i think it's difficult and i think regard to go, try it out as honorable. i'm on the floor, for example, the notion that somehow the west and they tire shouldn't be. and in such thing,

but you credit and fight some more a but that meets and the way that nice i would do it might be a very simple give the ukrainians the means to do the job unless some dental with it provides the supports in terms of intelligence and cyber, and i'm an e w, of course. but don't try, i'm 2nd guest, ukrainian generals and say, you know what works. they have been fighting the russians not for over 18 months as they have, they have watched it, the russians, they have demonstrated that that's all about what they still like is real capability. and equally, your point about uh, putting the time to constraints on your brand. it is absolutely right for you grind development, defend itself to practice in a level right of self defense. and if i mean, striking out into a rush, i won't so be it's, i'm afraid this self. the tyrants, as it was by the west has only resulted in in the prolonged action of the war ukraine and have the means to really follow up the,

the liberation of cas on in november last year. i think it might be different as it was, they didn't have that capability because of west i have not given them one rule. they really need it in, in a timely manner about a lot of the russians to reestablish the front line. so robot can to stop building the cycle so rover can line of defense making it much, much more difficult for the credit. and so that's a simple equation and was if you fly, if you concentrate of, if you, if you, if you really go for it, then you're going to change. all right? and so if you're in trouble, if you're prevaricates, you're going to make things much less because it kind of take much, much longer. you're talking about ukraine striking into russian territory with costa bones. have you no qualms about that? comes of countries about what the a mazda, i dropped the bombs around a vile on file. i don't expect to walk across rail and absolutely to close the use of trustable homes. but if you, if trust,

if you praying needs possible almost to clear a russian friend of systems on your credit, entire tree, that is a completely different packages you that as a model for the pregnancy. but what your crime does need is long range because there's new types of bullets it so that it can target russian logistic installations, headquarters on the light and, and make it very difficult for the russians. you've got a wide, influential circle of ukrainian contacts, government, call them, and military intelligence in may. you even spend the nights in a and a bomb, shelter and care? is that right? it's been part of the knowledge of the functional to, along with many of the people who are visited ukraine. what was the mood like the inspirational, the time? and absolutely, this is wrong. i mean, the current is, as i said out there, i'll click that determines uh, to find to protect the literacy. they recognize that this is a will not just against ukraine, but it's a current that's a war against the west. and you pray and joining the west. the determination,

the inspiration of the engine, you were to the, the, the, the relative use of the leadership. this is a dynamic country, determined to build it, to protect itself and to build itself up until the account. i'm part of the west that people are afraid about what the west might do or might not do to help them of a losing face in the west. i think they are known as the grateful to the west forgot the west has given them. i think on the sands of the berries, frustration, but the west is trying to 2nd guess them and tell them how to use it, where a number and the number of recent articles which, which, which, which i think i've made the point in the west. we're trying to, as i can guess, the requirements, but fundamentally, i think you companies are absolutely absolutely grateful, but let them get all those i set out in that some get on and do what they need to do without interfering with them. and the comments like, uh,

will be with you all the way for as long as it takes they listen to those coming out of brussels. i listen to those coming out of washington that i believe of. do you believe them? well, i checked them at the 1st round here, but i do wire, as i said on the that will continue unless the positive actually let's, let's say for example, yes, the nato summit was very clear in terms of the support. but i would like to see also actually a statement to them based on the summit that ukraine will joined nature when the conditions allow when the pricing has stopped. i would imagine we all day to give you without any less or hindrance everything. you need to make that pricing start as quickly as possible. in other words, to defeat the russians. i the chief joke and bring back charge for your credit. entire tray on the credit in salt frontier and control several how, how finely balanced is this more in your view, how could.