vows, at least 3 countries were able to get there. there would not be concrete benefits for all 3 countries to include the, the united states. and we would expect to progress on the number of issues in the number of areas that clearly are in our interests. so while i believe that normalization in and of itself with the brain much to the benefit of the united states and many other countries around the world as well as the countries in question. and it's also very clear that there may well be specific things that will be important for us with regard both the saudi arabian to israel, as well as things they will need from each other, as well as things that other parties may well need. so it's one way of saying we're, we're not there, there's no guarantee we'll get there. we believe it's profoundly important if we can achieve it. but i would wait to see if something emerges. all of the details

that come with that i would certainly knowledge of the no active possibilities, but i think we would all the knowledge what we've seen over the past decades. and i suspect we would all acknowledge the powerful, powerful impact normalization between the leading countries in the stomach world. and israel would have not just in terms of relations between them, but well beyond beyond the region, the custodian of the holy sites. like in medina, normalizing relations with israel, i think would resonate very, very powerfully. so i look, i don't think there can be doubt about the, the benefits of this, but the details of achieving is, again, remain, remain challenging. but we're working on it and we believe it working on it if the

result can be achieved. would be, as i said, quite literally transform. next question goes to stephanie bolton, without of the thank you secretary blinking to ask him in his the book, if the german government was willing to exchange a russian spy who killed a position politician in building for the wall street journal correspondent con, fee and present in russia and secondly, um the reports today that the us government believes that the attorneys defense minister has been placed on the investigation. can you confirm this? and what conclusions does seal government draw from the parenting law in bridging? thank you. thank you. with regard to the, the 1st question about the chinese in, in russia. no, that's not something that we discussed today with regard to the question of the

chinese defense minister. i don't have anything to offer on that. i don't know about the status of the, the defense minister and in any event. ultimately, these are issues for the chinese government to, to decide we remain fully prepared as we've been to engage with the chinese government. whoever happens to be holding the position to responsibility at any given time just as i did when i went to beijing earlier in the summer, and we expect that to continue irrespective of who is holding. but fortunately you next question goes to elizabeth haggard. the one with alma said you would like to ask you both about you, ron minister, bare boss a ron is threatened to respond to the 3. it's news yesterday on sanctions. have you coordinated with washington on how to offset that response. and also after speaking with your ronnie and counterpart on wednesday, are you any closer to 610 jennings,

are minnes donovan, if that book there with you a secretary of state and state blinking funding, depress in washington, funding ukraine. a big topic of conversation that can thing both countries remain deeply committed to supporting the country as a defense itself from russia. bad bulk referred to the german american relationship is being like, good friends. so how far will that friendship go when it comes to money? the waste is ukraine's because dona by 5 thoughtful, how long with an election round, the corner us corresponding step in simon's is standing by for us in washington. and i'm doing here in the studio by out political correspondent and brand. and so let's start with you to a foreign ministers. there was a lot to talk about and a lot of questions. they're coming from the price on different topics, but uh ukraine being the biggest one, i guess you would say, oh yes, absolutely. i think uh, the issue of ukraine, obviously, very important for germany, but also very much under discussion in the united states at the moment for germany,

obviously because it's a little that's happening close to this country on this continent and determine he is also very heavily involved in supporting the government of ukraine and into us there is a discussion about the next package of aids going from the us to ukraine. and so the political discussions between the parties between the government and congress on so and ongoing as of the, for both of these government representatives, this is an important issue. also looking ahead at the development in the next 3 months, they were talking about the fact that winter was coming. that to who run it through many terry and ad would become a very central to dealing with the situation for people in ukraine when winter strikes. so yes, i think that was the top of their agenda. they both spend a lot of time discussing that and that press conference on that and really could pointing out that it's not just about you claim regaining his sovereignty, but being able to thrive and stand strongly in the future. that sounds like

a long term commitment today. oh, absolutely. yes. i think of the apartment of the special uh, representative of the united states to deal with economic development. then you try and is an indication that that is a very long term goal. that's a long term goal. tell strategic interest obviously. once this war is over, in one way or another, the west wants to assure that you train will be will continue to be a strong country with a strong economy looking towards the west, a l. l. i to the west here in europe, the ongoing discussions about you can becoming a member of the european union, which has applied to do for several years already. a. so yes, the, it's a strategic thing. it's very important for ukraine to continue to have support for many, many years to come up to the u. k. john, to use the biggest don't to here in europe when it comes to ukraine's efforts to defend itself. but it does need the us doesn't. it's on it uh, $77.00 simons. let's bring you in. what stood out to you in that speech there in

that price conference between the 2 foreign minister. so what i had said the ukraine was the top topic, the signing or the topic which the major lied was signed on. there was another one, and that is china, but maybe that's a little bit later. but no doubt the united states, you know, and i think miss babel alluded to this when she said and talked about the conversation she had on in congress at on capital hill yesterday. the united states . uh, there is a decrease in support in like say the might of support for ukraine, but where is that it is and the fringes of the parties, believe it or not, the republican party, the conservative party, as well as the democrats, where it is support maybe is a little bit softer now, but the leads in the united states and then government in science in congress, in the white house, everywhere else. they all know that there is no way around,

off supporting ukraine in the short term. and in the long term, that is, that is as long as they can assure the american public that the europeans do their part. this is what every politician will tell you here. this is what basically everybody with some common sense will tell you here that as long as this is the case, the united states will be the 4 most supporter of the ukraine now in any way or for militarily, aids and economically and sustainably. so in the future, it was interesting to hear the lead of bad books say no one's going to get used to this brutal war of aggression or this inconceivable suffering. that's good news on the wrong track. would you say uh the us is on the right track right now, a step on that is going to stay on that track past this, possibly post this next election next year. so that's

a very tricky and complex question. so thank you for that. i would say yes, as of now, i would say yes if there will be a democratic president again, meaning a joe biden, who seems to be the for a runner for the democratic party next to in the presidential election. now if we talk about wild cards here and i have been wrong before, but if there's a wild card in the wild card is showing and named don. busy trump, because we both know the history of donald trump being relatively soft on fulton and a little bit harsher and ukraine. however, i think that there is so much beyond looking now into $10.00 to 2020 for the presidential likes and, and beyond. they so much pressure real, real time and real world political and economic and geo political security pressure for the us to keep ukraine going to keep this fight up

that the no administration will be possibly escaped. that, that's interest a uh, step in thanks for the time again. hans, i just wanted to ask you one more question because i believe the german foreign ministers also being a touring other parts of the us and speaking to republicans, i guess to build them up to what she wants from them in case the election goes to different what, yes indeed, the she says she's spend some time in texas speaking to the governor of texas a very uh hogs. uh uh, right. right. spring support of donald trump. and she also spoke to republicans in the senate. and in both cases, the talks apparently went reasonably well. they didn't sean to, to show that listen to each other. they listen to each other's arguments. it seems and other than a babel came out of those talks with a certain assurance i think, or with a certain feeling of confidence. a that's the issue of ukraine. well, is understood to be important. 5 easy because these republicans that she talked to

and that they would continue to support us uh, age to ukraine. okay. interesting stuff. a lot to talk about that. unfortunately we're running out of time. it has, but i thank you very much for coming in 2nd, simon's day for us in washington. thanks for covering that price of for us as the german foreign minister. finally in a bad box, the end you with secretary of state anthony lincoln. that brings you up to dates on all the international news at this hour on bank as well. and thanks for joining us here on the dollars from the the by the

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