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this is the story. that's l. lopez. just over 40 years ago, she gave birth to a child imagery clinic. she should have seen one of the happiest moments of her life. but it turned out to be the worst the guilt video to me. that is the end of the book on the letter, stacy, i don't remember anything except to moment when the bus was already over it up to relo, was leaning over me saying i'd give him bus 2 a daughter, but that she wasn't very well. so he wanted to have had baptized right away of the day. you see black level, i was still very hazy and said yes to everything that's actually already, you know, to the left, the delivery room with a non unreturned. does it like to with a baby or wrapped up in a towel? maybe says, i said, give your child a case. and i kissed the little face and it was freezing me,

so i saw the whole bundle was ice cold. yeah, let me just them we for the i love that that the news. but the only way that the found, guess that's how that's what i saw it x 2 hours later talk to the came back and told me my child was dead. instead of actually at the back home i sank into a deep depression. you dear, one day my husband came in with a newspaper and said, talk to villas, being arrested. someone reported him for baby trafficking, southern i believe he does. a generalist was investigating the photographer, found a frozen baby in the clinics, freezer and secretly took photos 8. this yeah, no, yeah, yeah, you have. so i said to my husband for the blood, this is the child i was shown with the o d u and then i told him the whole story that either to book a leather it has to be here. yeah. this is really good. that was a study of the ladies the

the, the transfer, the for i to else the lopez is not an isolated case. around 300000 women in spain have had the children stolen only in the past 10 to 15 years has the full scale of the crime come to light. since then mothers have been looking for the children and children, so the best parents. but this is proving extremely difficult because most of the evidence has been covered up the the, the origins of the child safety can be traced back to the 19th. thirty's, spain was a backward, impoverished,

conservative country. at the time. 1931 new democratic elections were a source of high hopes, the but soon general frank coast right, we military forces states, the crew against the young republic risk civil war ensued with hundreds of thousands of dance. the general franco emerged victorious in 1939 and subsequently ruled within only and ceased. about 500000 political opponents, ended up in prison. among them many women who would vote for the republic. they brought the infants with them to prison, but the children would never registered, which left them dangerously vulnerable the it'll come and then the by the, when i say the foothill mean to like every step intensity,

the ideological basis for the kidnapping of children was provided by the military psychiatrist by yes, so not correct enough for him left us ideas were a kind of mental illness that are sort of is crucial to prevent the babies from feeding on the milk is coming to some of the month, the democratization of the country. i've caused the to generation and the spanish race in order to regenerate that for the children of the red, so have to be removed from the influence of their parents any one of the above all from the influence of their mother's phenomena. the female in general, had a tendency towards perversity evil, a tendency that was only intensified when women interfered in politics. they don't, as was frequently the case in the republican come after the southern, if you see a develop this does franco's justification. no phone, lisa murdering and imprisoning dissenters, but also the taking away the children. reporting the hope you have to know the days

ladies get there to meet and effectively thought of getting a 1940. they even created laws to save the children of republican earns. that is, this was the reason provided a legal veneer for taking children from their parents and revolting parental custody of selling. and that was at the age of 3 years, or the children of imprisoned women were collected from the prison by soldiers with no explanation of and taken to convince or church homeless for re education. and i think i already hear some of you. i think there's an opportunity of yeah, the re calvin uses research has revealed that by the end of the 1940s, some 30000 children had been abducted from the parents for political reasons. and given under full names to couples loyal to the regime or placed in homes. ready ready according to vineyards, the church was a willing partner,

and franco fainted with increasing privileges. list, you know, i was off, i live here. you guys of the principle to say the catholic church collaborated with frank goes dictatorship. is an accurate $71.00. easily say the catholic church was the hearts of franco, isn't very niche. was frank with them in good condition. you see good, frankly, wisdom cannot have existed without the catholic church for the ownership of these. but the church sees the reason to apologize to this day. it hasn't bunched an inch yet. i'm trying to request the author the truth. i just don't want to navigate clinical because that except the end of the 1945, franco, who described himself as a 7th lea, loyal son of the church, declared catholicism to be the official state religion. the agreements granted the church control over the education and health sect is

now nothing stood in the way of the re education and the legal adoption of red children. the. ready from the fifty's onwards, the political rational was no longer necessary. by then franco had spain. suddenly, in his grief the abduction of children now developed into a business model involving doctors, lawyers, and above all, the catholic church. childless couples the there ought most to present themselves as a good family. a baby cost about as much as a condominium. while adoptive parents were led to believe that the bus mother did not want the child,

the unmarried pregnant women were brand, it is full and goes for prostitutes as punishment. they was sent to church homes where they were forced to do back breaking work. so no pay. these homes were controlled by a state institution run by franco, his wife one such home was penya grundy on the outskirts of madrid. now a modern school, nothing recalls the disappearance of hundreds of new bones there up until the early 19 eighties. however, old footage shows how things were back then dolores gomez writes and impregnated by her own father when she was 15, also remembers when the goddess nobody made okay. they put, it went on to say that the she's supposed to be in when you arrived and your grand a as a pregnant young go. the nuns didn't ask how long you,

but rather what happened. do you want to keep the child or give it up for adoption syrup? and so i was getting that home and i don't think any of us that even thought about the question, guess we were still getting used to on you invited your boss. notice that hard, but they didn't let how they kept questioning till they had you stuff in the office . uh huh. to install. this is a young single go. no family in the background, which means no one will ask questions in the case of an adult that i'm i didn't even after that they would just, i'm relenting from what i can do that's give your child up for adoption. and it can grow up in a good christian family is good, well, and some of this month to know what to say to you won't be able to raise the child any way to know what's happening. you know, was anything if you're enough space. i said, i love, it was so brutal, this yak, i totally coffee it out. but who the,

the also consuelo garcia deals said was one of the 1st to take a close look at child trafficking in penny a grunting through facebook. she contacted women who were in turns there and recorded the stories, a separatist unit, a sort of stylus in my area. and they'll say to me, i run into this, jesse and i'll probably tell it was in the human watch pain tonight. the nuns even took advantage of the women's name of painters. they left the pregnant woman alone in a room, a cold, and they do have sorrows. and when the pain go to unbearable, they came with the adoption paper and said, well have your baby adopted sign now you to sign now to mail it out. and if not doing what they do often say you'll baby has to be incubated. it's very similar to that. i looked at the incubators with one flora, and after 2 days they tell you,

your child has died and your some way and said, yeah, those, those, they're sending them with them. but these children will not dead if they've been given up for adoption here. no, not at all. yeah, the elsa lopez's child was also pronounced dead in the madrid maternity hospital and allegedly buried the same day without her the mother being permitted to attend the funeral. some women who would being told similar lives have since had the graves of their allegedly dead children opened and found them empty. the medicaid of the lucky yep. at the time they told me at the clinic so they'd vary to

my child. he a, in a mood in a symmetry maker when he got, but it was an i, as i realize last time you have the to another. and this and you of course i went to the cemetery administration, but they didn't know anything. it was the of the but much later off to further inquiries. they claimed today that i read the remains at the corpse in an anonymous mass grave. this was the custom when no one came forward within 10 years. this year i filed a cool complaint and also took it to the police or they got their response then was to say that they didn't informed me of everything at the time. and that got them been of these yet. and i still didn't even know where this alleged mass grave is supposed to be. and i mean, yes that i getting rougher set of them. why is the cover ups? why the silence that continues to this day explains bloodless transition from dictatorship to democracy. came at a high price,

says both as i got thrown. he was one spines, most famous judge, prosecuting crimes against humanity, the world of internationally reviewed and nominated for the nobel peace prize. gallstone failed in his own country. in 2000 and nights, he was the 1st day of prosecute the crimes of the franco dictatorship in spain, including the 5th of 30000 children from republican parents. his investigations prompted an accusation of abuse of office on grounds of his violating the 1977, amnesty little the guaranteed impunity for post perpetrate has no further charge heard by the supreme court which met with public protest and intense media interest . he was removed from office and banned from practicing his profession for 11 years . um, what is the thought of glen lo?

the daily comenity when franko died, theoretically it could have meant the end of repression. but in reality, nothing changed. the video should have been a rupture, a democratic reckoning. yeah, but it's always responsible. so frank coast regime should have been held accountable for their abuses. but that didn't happen. some of the total under the hosting's here in the spanish judiciary, close that eyes to it all, it was the same judges as during franco's era. there was no transparency, whatsoever, buttons you stop. it wasn't even a symbolic break with a dictatorship. it was and is a positive sign, and that's why the spanish state hasn't investigated the kidnapping of children. well, the other crimes of the franco era, even though they are old crimes against humanity and so the franco dictatorship, which lasted almost 40 years,

continues to shape the country to this day. since gallstones allister argentina has trying to continue his work, victims of baby snatching controlling the lawsuit and the odds and teeny and coolants against the perpetrators of franco is a glimmer of hope. elza lopez often meets up with fellow suffer is that common fight unites them. feel navarro is also still looking for her daughter and christina moore, i show for her son in law, courteously. that will just have it if i so going to get it. yeah. how's the lucy, teen ocean, tina going p e. let's see, forrest k 0 at the info. there's a total stance to let the moment a conflict on that, of course is the spanish authorities are still refusing to cooperate with the argentine in judiciary. a professional can assess, have we've tried everything, they will not gone to the highest cool that of the days to see on but nothing has

come of it and give a nice so that i spit on 2nd most then yes, it sides hopes that come to nothing in english though, so neither by the way, i've had a genetic test done in the us, it's been see only that any the genetic test in the us increases the chance of finding relatives. because the u. s. has the world's largest databases of genetic profiles for comparison. the smashing process really occurs in spanish and the bar trees. flatow is a, is, i'm, i, you are the other. no, that's why the majority of us, half of the dna testing done in the us army, the con, no human, which we also distrust with the genetic look bar trees in this country, komatsu caraway strange things happening. we still like it says the test is negative one, in fact, it is positive. things like that, don't come the other with the 1st we thought it was updated or not what i thought

he, us, communal for the level that thought you get for it up. and there's 2 new state run dna lab for us in spain for us that, that so he's been on the phone for a long time now. so and then, and we don't trust the private lab evaluated back in because we know that many of them are connected to ultra conservative clerical or political cycle con level, or somebody else who is certainly not interested in bringing the crimes of a friend to era to line caused by the ticket that 5 thought i space 30 a gabby to understand the dope to a villa is considered one of the key figures in the nationwide network. baby traffic has you know, the 1000 cases, victims named team and his assistant system. maria from the order of the daughters of charity as the perpetrators. despite being reported dozens of times,

dr. villa continued to work with impunity. in 2018 challenges were finally prove the gains team in one single case. as reported by the spanish press, the 85 year old appeared in court for the oral hearing, where he stated for the record, but he couldn't remember anything. is the next day the trial was suspended due to the defendant's health problems. 5 months later, villa was found guilty, but was acquitted to, to the statute of limitations for the crime. in 2019, he died. many spanish knowns were involved in the baby snatching system. maria, dr. villas, right hand woman, was the alleged main perpetrator. yet she too was not charged until 2 cases in 2012 to the non by then in her late eighty's refuse to testify.

shortly before a new trial date, the order announced that she had died suddenly and had already been buried. why did the order only announce system marie is pausing after she had allegedly been quietly buried wise and exclamation as demanded by victims. groups still the 9 to this day in 2015 it emerged. the 2 different death certificates exist, the original signed by the physician doctor battle co has a different sequence of digits than the copy. oddly enough, doctor barrow county was not even the attending physician. however, his father was a friend of doctor villa system, maria's former pulse since our interview request was denied,

we visited adult to barrow kyle at home. how does he explained the different death certificates? however, he was not up to talking at the registry office. the different number sequences caused for us donations, but the students name to the head of the department promised to look into the master. she would email us in a week at the latest but despite several follow up inquiries, we received no answer, no st. kiddos. finally, we searched for the grave of the daughter of charity in the sand whose toe symmetry in madrid, with system maria is purportedly buried as officially the symmetry of thor is. these are not allowed to tell any one way. the grave is located. the religious order does not meet at last, but not least,

we visited the order of the daughters of charity. although they too refused us an official interview. a short conversation ensued. a sister died. we don't give statements, no comment to whoever lives on to ashamed of what system maria did know why a sister did what she had to do. we loved her as she is, she did her job well. the common del mazda was also once a nun in the order of the daughters of charity. on sundays, she often help system, maria, at the o'donnell clinic and was surprised that the flow where the incubators were located was always closed off on that day. no one was gone to the entry only lights

or did she find out that babies was sold there on sundays every the i store and lots of folks don't human and i also so women coming into the clinic with a pillow under the addresses and then walking out with a baby in their own, in the study that i'm not accusing all of assistance from the former order. but those who participated in these crimes must be punished by the state justice system notes by the judge in york. i want to touch the guy deals. i wanted to help people react, so i became a none of the me. but i gradually realized how intolerant the church was much. it was on this side of power and notes on this side of the pool, the whatever, the level of the, what is the official church in spain said to the accusations, what does it think about the baby theft? we ask holstead, shall vieira communications director of the

a piece. skip it when i jump it. okay. most of where they actually weigh it out. at least they've got to look. i don't think you can say the catholic church was involved in the babies to have to yeah, it hasn't been confirmed by any court decision or otherwise. there were some perpetrators who may have been associated with the church, who worked in church institutions. the study of the church as an institution has nothing to do with the baby steps. it's individuals who acted on their own initiative, not to blame the church as an institution. it's kind of a range of simple. you fun thing about a family, you know? so could someone like system, maria have been selling children for years without her road and knowing it bounces . but i so such an accusation would have to be substantiated in court. the court would then have to decide whether an institution should be prosecuted because it had knowledge of certain actions of its members for that either you and there, i can determine that. so not a problem was that they gave me to new york. the

madrid's hospital district was the center of the baby abductions up until the 19 ninety's. there were thousands of cases kia alone in spain as a whole. close to 20000 cases have been reported in the last 15 years. move in 90 percent of the cases have been shelved the rest and making little progress. it's a matter of too many falls leads into little interest on the part of the judiciary . says journalist marie jose, as this will prove it to years. he's been trying to track down the truth. doing this. the guy though, who run through the assign yourself to say in the course of my 10 years of research shows, i discovered numerous sports papers that prove the baby abduction is it only the one example is a document where a clinic doctor gave the cause of death to several babies as a title,

which is upset because a tied to is a homeless ear infection. he goes beyond that, but on sundays, according to the dumped his signature, 5 children died from a title in the us. the numbers, even when top is especially before christmas and around the tiffany, because the demand for babies was particularly high that elizabeth is a bus one of our me baby. so our popular christmas gift low spots. because if the family wanted to be socially acceptable in those days, they had to have children. they specify because e, england, and there's a couple couldn't have children is their own that lessons. and they just went and bought one to the coma cnn kid. a lot of stuff drastic on those positive, explicit that a little bit in this piece of the catholic church clearly supported these practices . for example, i discovered a pre black to explaining to a couple exactly how to proceed from selecting the baby of the mentality. hospitals, do you want me to picking it out and registering it? does that?

do you want to say we're making noise? is to you whether it was spain, ireland, australia, sheila, or arch in tina. the catholic church was always involved in babies matching. how could it has come to this feeling like well, that means when religion makes it packed with a powerful and gets rewarded with privileges and becomes intolerance and diagrams in religion is an instrument of power. of course the happy movements in the catholic church that have tried to break the pattern. for example, liberation, theology invites in america and also some clergy in this country. but i still that of the very dock side at the charge that prevents the truth coming out. yeah, it's round to itself in silence, and there's got away with it to that to this very day. she lives here. even

although according to a recent survey, bailey 19 percent of the spanish population are still practicing catholics. the power of the church exhibits on its blog is still strong today, a promise sent on drew an x priest from the okay. attributes piece primarily to the churches and beg you with sexual morality and want me to pick out as other sites the only send that really counts for the trash is facts. yeah. by declaring sex the same so you can dominate the faithful. whatever we have, the homeless on time drew was raped as a child by a priest. when he disclosed the abuse, the bishop rebuked him. he was the c. know he'd seduced the priest. but for some time dre you, it's about mold. in his personal experiences, he's particularly disgusted by the church as involvement in the baby abductions

that too, could only work. he believes, because the nuns were trapped in a sexually hostile system. like leasing opinion. like once you get that ready to see the piece of his stay, the chat believes that they were doing good to meet the 50. the non took away a woman's baby because in a non size and unmarried woman was a prostitute and not fit to be a mother knew. so she was saving the child by giving it to affluent christian people. that was the belief use that is like what the for the institution is, the church, the baby trade was a profitable business. but for the individual none, it had nothing to do with money. i'm ok the roads out. but if you had the money she received for the sale of the children was not, has let me forward and she took it straight to the mother superior look, you know, if you want to, we know for a non, when you don't give her money,

would you give her a pilot, it shows her the keys to the delivery. really the keys to a pallet. well that that's how you get out on your site. i didn't actually on them for that the or perhaps some nuns going stuck into kind of treadmill. the demand for children kept increasing collateral, inc guy. so those kinds of space and it says 2 or 3 cases, they could suddenly have told themselves, we'll say this child a moment, but as time went on, the demand, multi piety level, at some point the non wasn't concerned with them. saving a child with getting the job done and will come looking good in front of her boss, the doctor, and also the doctor's wife, needed a child and i'm gonna pull the wife at the kennel general and that 1st she was supposed to procure a child, maybe once a year, but then once a month they to once a week will need and maybe eventually, and i mean every day. yeah,

keep the church, she's silent on the matter and keeps its archives closed. and the victims lancaster on united movement to force clarification that such as he has he and there's but on the fed and kind of it's a mess. yes. it's really a problem that we didn't join forces and they were just too many victim groups guessing folks down in problems and petty jealousies. that brings the bill. what we need is one strongly agree with one or 2, no is or no that would get the publicity. we need the most of the data. the same of the most. of course the sinus. he has forgotten also. and all governments, the homeless is on the list that he had a seat in most his title in congress on those who novel. we have been to congress in bones the senate dot com get him already promised his promises last sunday,

but nothing happened. okay, but it then, then it says that basically waiting for us to give up for dying. what do you handle? almost almost as mothers have died in the meantime, e peasantry just to of course, k, i need to expose can delete those because it only smoke no monitor. when the 5th mother who's lost a child's thoughts campaigning for the truth, that she won't stone, you know, she caught up in this. and so we'll continue to, we've done most of talking, no more than the, the solar dad, luca delgado who's looking for her twin brother as also being campaigning so many youtube that the church finally opens these archives and make school irrelevant information accessible. not only so that the victims can learn the truth, but also says that they can finally conduct research into their own respective cases. to invest in $1000.00. we are not asking for money for the need on any kind of compensation. lo, nick, okay,

the only thing we're asking for is psychological and medical health, but as a da sion to help civic tennessee mass made, but it comes up with a fishing list that i made the se on. now. in barcelona, we need gonzalo present who has been searching for his biological routes for over 20 years. he's lost faith in the goodwill of politics. come in negligent for sure. even if the church were legally obliged to open its archives, which would take immediate collection, the years would pass before anything actually happens the much. i know it goes, in most cases of infant abduction followed a similar passing involving doctors, nuns and nurseries. emboss alona. there was an additional prophet to you here until the 1970s shall steps the care. us ran an old trick catholic relief organization

that will fit young single pregnant women apartments extensively as a retreat to hide the shame from the public high sierra sol. so took care of all the women's medical arrangements from hospitalization to delivery. once the child was born, the business operation began. according to investigations, find the public prosecutor's office. around 2000 newborns was sold by joseph the gave us desperate unmarried young mothers with coaxed and co us into giving upset babies. all the infants were declared, still borne by medical accomplices, consolidate posts, and he's one of these stolen children. his mother had died and his father was suffering from dementia. when he 1st sold the documents that showed something was wrong. in his birth certificate, the crucial entry was missing the name of his parents. the interstate actually

discovered fairly quickly that i hadn't even be legally adopted with sold by for garrison. i don't know that's a huge difference. of course, i can logically sort of the introduced to darkness to his perception of a happy childhood. and he trying to get more information once again for us. who was this man? a form, a keeps going up. he quickly worked his way up through to the highest church circles before handing over a child to adoptive parents. pierre, us 1st had them to what cost with him on christian child rearing. and the babies tend to be baptized. it will happen here in the rectory and didn't the police seem a concepcion church? michael named that in kind of populations a line and assessing dicey. and the easiest way to discover more about my birth. i

went to the nuns who worked with joseph vigorous from 1967 to 1974. and they told me i that's very difficult to find out anything. yeah. because there was a big flood that destroyed all the archives we. i think the only other option will just kind of try it again a week later, but i incandescent got on it. and they told me that there being a fire here's ago which had destroyed all the documents photo 9 and dr. young, got a young old one i didn't call and left the docks and postpone the policy of sale. oh gosh, i don't think would probably be of tells me in both of ok now what i can do for you maybe an earthquake and then i'd be swallowing up all the documents, property law, and even other stuff properties we visit the religious order, which has been linked to easton to directions on numerous occasions to old nuns welcome us. but when we say we journalists stay, a friendly smiles fade. that was

a long time ago. it was in the eighty's in some hospitals, but it has nothing to do with us. to come with us, we are tired of talking about this subject. you gen lists claims, things that are not true. i'm sorry if it sounds vulgar, but the more you deal with shit when the more it starts, just leave me much. well, i mean, we also meet the notary who signed for the adoption papers put together as at the time, what does he have to say about people still searching in vain for their identity? what do you mean those consent and go to the residence registration office in boston? lona at any time and ask for that bus that it's going to get it immediately. there's nothing to hide but those concerns present. it's quite different. lady the go. oh stop it. they just want to melted, but what, it's what so they say they stole me. so there's nothing behind it. nothing to

consolidate. poor said he's well acquainted with all the lines and cover ups, and i'm gonna show the fee valid on get into effect is what a single document has been handed over and nobody attempts to knowing anything about us. on the contrary, they all believe they've acted for the better. good. for me personally, i've given a copay that i keep going, especially for my daughter. so she will know one day where she comes from school, she had to draw a family tree at the top of her tray was empty. apparently i think that i mean the wines into spelling told the premises because the church not opened its all kinds to this day. and the rescued hello said to us that about canada and those have to

lose the subsidy. was the last nothing the industry to of these children are actually stored mainly in the archives of public institutions. for instance, in the archives of the maternity words and clinics where the babies were born and then stone and the church archives. on the other hand, slip up too small registers set to you, they never storage such data, except they're only interested in the religious side of a person. nothing would be noted that could give any indication of a child's origins. notes or baptism or registers are not a suitable means of finding out where this child comes from. what there's stone or not. so i'm saying, you know, they listen to me though they sending you. oh, see, i see the oh no, the amnesty international disagree with these statements and points out the church. all kinds do have documents that could help victims in this search. the clues after old, the majority of maternity clinics and maternity hines on the church management

touring the franco era. only a few mothers and children have found each other, but even their disappointment is often inevitable. if expectations are too high. the your in the well experience here. i once don't, i had found my daughter when there was a point to match me to have the same clinic in madrid. my, that a same day to best i'm is, must be bad. and so we had to dna testing, and i mean, but unfortunately the result was negative for not again, our full time for an ideal, i guess as the drunk went on me in. and even if i were to find my son today to that, and it's might not be the dream ending with autoplay, but he wouldn't want to know anything about me handle it. that would be terrible. i

mean, hires me, they don't mean holding. we apologize. me whole issue is that even the of course you have to lower your expectations of this child is now in idaho civil most 40. yes. perhaps shaped by influence is you weren't like, why didn't that just got a wanted a housing of the near. that's good for the expect that the best basically i no longer believe all that's assigned to my door so that the other thing is it was on the other hand, i often think if this child is happy with her adoptive parents, why should i bring her back into my wealth, yes. either for at least what i want is my child to know. i know that i didn't give her away and i wasn't to prostitute or any ghost as they said, it goes like any that she was stolen from me thinking that i never stopped loving. how would that be with us? but indeed, it was the young with anything else is a not able to speak to the tech a they who are they get it. and that's all i care about and say the solution is they'd be there in that. i don't think they'd throw hazel's leave,

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