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this is the story of l. lopez. just over 40 years ago, she gave birth to a child imagery clinic. it should have been one of the happiest moments of her life, but it turned out to be the worst, the guilt video to me that is the end of the book on the letter, stacy, i don't remember anything except to moment when the bus was already over it up to relo was leaning over me saying i'd give him bus 2 a daughter that she wasn't very well. so he wanted to have had baptized right away of the day. you see black level, i was still very hazy and said yes to everything. the charlotte already, you know, to then i left the delivery room with a non unreturned. does it like to with a baby or wrapped up in a towel? and very soon as i said to give your child a case and i kissed the little face and it was freezing me. so i saw the whole

bundle was ice, cold, e. let me just then we for the i love that that the news . but the only way that the sound. yeah. that's how that's what i saw it. x 2 hours later talk to villa, came back and told me my child was dead. but i'm actually at the back home i sank into a deep depression. you did it one day, my husband came in with a newspaper and said talk to villas, being arrested. someone reported him for baby trafficking, southern i believe he does. a generalist was investigating the photographer, found a frozen baby in the clinics, freezer and secretly took photos 8 this. yeah, no, yeah, yeah, you have. so i said to my husband for the blood, this is the child i was shown with o d u, and then i told him the whole story that either to book a level or it has to be here. yeah, this is really good. that was a study of the ladies

the, the transfer, the for i to else. and lopez is not an isolated case. around 300000 women in spain have had the children stolen only in the past 10 to 15 years has the full scale of the crime come to light. since then mothers have been looking for the children and children for their best parents. but this is proving extremely difficult because most of the evidence has been covered up the the, the origins of the child safety can be traced back to the 19th. thirty's, spain was a backward, impoverished,

conservative country. at the time. in 1931 new democratic elections were a source of high hopes, the but soon general frank coast right, we military forces states, the crew against the young republic risk civil war ensued with hundreds of thousands of dance. the general franco emerged victorious in 1939, and subsequently ruled within only and ceased. about 500000 political opponents, ended up in prison. among them many women who would fault for the republic. they brought the infants with them to prison, but the children would never registered, which left them dangerously vulnerable the it'll come and then the by the, when i say the foothill mean to like every step in 10 to the ideological basis for

the kidnapping of children was provided by the military psychiatrist by yes, so not correct enough for him left us ideas were a kind of mental illness that are sort of is crucial to prevent the babies from feeding on the milk is coming to some of the month, the democratization of the country. i've caused the to generation in the spanish race in order to regenerate that for the children of the red. so i have to be removed from the influence of their parents and you want it above all from the influence of their mothers. from the female in general, had a tendency towards perversity evil, a tendency that was only intensified when women interfered in politics. they don't, as was frequently the case in the republican come after the southern if yet ship, these are the this does franco's justification, no phone, lisa motoring and then presenting dissenters, but also taking away the children and reporting that it was of you have to know the

days, lee is get there to meet and effectively felt like getting a 1940 the even created laws to save the children of republican parents. it is you, this was the reason provided a legal veneer for taking children from their parents and revoking parental. acosta? yes. so under look at the age of 3 years or the children of imprisoned women were collected from the prison by soldiers with no explanation of i'm taken to convince or church homeless for the education. and i think i already hear some of you. i think there's an opportunity for us. yeah, the re calvin uses research has revealed that by the end of the 1940s, some 30000 children have been abducted from the parents for political reasons. and given under full names to couples loyal to the regime or placed in homes. ready

according to vineyards, the church was a willing partner, and franco fainted with increasing privileges. list. yeah, no, i use all things regular here. you guys are of the principle to say the catholic church collaborated with frank goes dictatorship. is an accurate $71.00. easily say the catholic church was the hearts of franco, isn't very niche. was frank with them in kansas city, if you could, frankly, wisdom could not have existed without the catholic church for the honestly by ease . but the church sees no reason to apologize to this day. it hasn't bunched an inch . i'm trying to request the offer to choose. i just don't want to navigate, because i've never except the end of the 1945, franco, who described himself as a 7th lea loyal son of the church, declared catholicism to be the official state religion. the agreements granted the church control over the education and health sect is

now nothing stood in the way of the re education and the legal adoption of red children. the. ready from the 50s on which the political rational was no longer necessary. by then franco had spain. suddenly, in his grief the abduction of children now developed into a business model involving doctors, lawyers, and above all, the catholic church. childless couples the there ought most to present themselves as a good family. a baby cost about as much as a condominium. while adoptive parents were led to believe that the bus mother did not want the child,

the unmarried pregnant women were brand, it is full and goes with prostitutes as punishment. they was sent to church homes where they were forced to do back breaking work. so no pay. these homes were controlled by a state institution run by franco his wife one such home was penya grundy on the outskirts of madrid. now a modern school, nothing recalls the disappearance of hundreds of newborns there up until the early 19 eighties. however, old footage shows how things were back then dolores gomez writes and impregnated by her own father when she was 15, also remembers when the goddess nobody made okay, they put it once on. i'm to say that the she's supposed to be in when you arrived and your grand a as a pregnant young go. the nuns didn't ask how long you,

but rather what happened. do you want to keep the child or give it up for adoption syrup? and so i was good in that moment. i don't think any of us that even thought about the question, guess we were still getting used to on you invited your boss. notice that hard, but they didn't let how they kept questioning till they had you stuff in the office . uh huh. so this is a young single go, no family in the background, which means no one will ask questions and the case if in the don't forget about the bottom, i didn't even after that, they would just, i'm relenting from what i can do that's give your child up for adoption and it can grow up in a good christian family as god will, and some of us monday, nor to say you won't be able to raise the child's any way to know what's happening . you know, was anything. if you're enough space. i said, i love, it was so brutal, this yak, i totally coffee it out with that. the,

the also consuelo garcia dale said was one of the 1st to take a close look at child trafficking in penny a grunting through facebook. she contacted women who were in turns there and recorded the stories a separatist unit, a sort of stylus the. and they'll say to me, i run into this deputy and i'll probably tell it was in the human watch pain tonight. the nuns even took advantage of the women's name of painters. they left the pregnant woman alone in a room, a cold, and they do have sorrows. and when the pain go to unbearable, they came with the adoption paper and said, well have your baby adopted sign now see the sign now to mail it out. and if not doing what they do often say you'll baby has to be incubated. it's very similar to that. i looked at the incubators with one flora, and after 2 days they tell you,

your child has died in and your some way of federal. yeah. those, those, they're sending them with them. but these children will not dead if they've been given up for adoption in another. yeah, the elsa lopez's child, was also pronounced dead in the madrid maternity hospital and allegedly buried the same day without her the mother being permitted to attend the funeral. some women who had been told similar lives have since had the graves of their allegedly dead children opened and found them empty. maybe handles the key. you know about the time they told me at the clinic so that

they'd bury to my child here in a mood in a symmetry maker when he thought it was an eye, as i realized like toby of each another. and the sonya, of course i went to the cemetery administration, but they didn't know anything. it was the end of that. but much later after further inquiries, they claimed today that i read the remains of the corpse in an anonymous mass grave . this was the custom when no one came forward within 10 years. this year i filed a cool complaint and also took it to the police or they got their response then was to say that they didn't informed me of everything at the time when that got it that's i've been of use yet. and i still don't even know where this alleged mass grave is supposed to be. and i mean, just that, like getting rougher set of them. why on the cover ups? why does silence fit continues to this day? spines, bloodless transition from dictatorship to democracy?

came at a high price, says both as i got thrown, he was one spain's most famous judge, prosecuting crimes against humanity, the will. those are internationally reviewed and nominated for the nobel peace prize. gallstone failed in his own country. in 2000 and nights. he was the 1st day of prosecute the crimes of the franco dictatorship in spain, including the 5th of $30000.00 children from republican parents. his investigations prompted an accusation of abuse of office on grounds of his violating the 1977, amnesty little the guaranteed impunity for post perpetrate has no further charge heard by the supreme court which met with public protest and intense media interest . he was removed from office and banned from practicing his profession for 11 years . and what is the thought of one lo,

the daily commodity when franco died, theoretically, it could have meant the end of repression. but in reality, nothing changed. the video should have been a rupture, a democratic reckoning. yeah, but it's always responsible. so frank coast regime should have been held accountable for their abuses. but that didn't happen. somebody go onto the hostess . yeah. the spanish judiciary closed that eyes to it all. it was the same judges as during franco's era. there was no transparency whatsoever. you stop, it wasn't even a symbolic break with a dictatorship. it was and is a packet of sign on a. so that's why the spanish state hasn't investigated the kidnapping of children. well, the other crimes of the franco era, even though they are old crimes against humanity and so the franco dictatorship, which lasted almost 40 years,

continues to shape the country to this day. since gallstones allister argentina has trying to continue his work, victims of baby snatching controlling the lawsuit and the odds and teeny and courts against the perpetrators of franco is a glimmer of hope. elza lopez often meets up with fellow suffer is that common fate unites them. below navarro is also still looking for her daughter and christina moore, i show for her son just a little courteously that will just have it if i still couldn't get it. yeah. how's the little susie notion, tina going p e. let's see. 4 is k 0 at the info. that is a typical stance to let the moment a conflict on the horses. the spanish authorities are still refusing to cooperate with the argentine in judiciary. april official cassettes have we've tried everything, they will not gone to the highest cool that of these to see on. but nothing has

come of it to give a nice so that i spit on 2nd most then yes, it sides hopes that come to nothing in this though. so neither by the way i've had a genetic test on in the us, it's been see only that any as a genetic test in the us increases the chance of finding relatives. because the u. s. has the world's largest databases of genetic profiles, but comparison, these matching process really occurs in spanish and the bar trees. flatow is k is i'm, i you are the other. no, that's why the majority of us has the dna testing done in the us army. the con, no human, which we also distrust with the genetic look bar trees in this country, komatsu caraway strange things happening. we still like it says the test is negative one. in fact, it is positive. things like that down come via the 1st week of october. the 30th

communal florida level, and i thought you good for that. and there's 2 new state run dna lab for us in spain for us that, that so he's been on the phone for a long time now. so and then, and we don't trust the private lab rather back in because we know that many of them are connected to ultra conservative clerical or political cycle con level, or somebody else who is certainly not interested in bringing the crimes of a friend to era to line caused by the ticket at the bottom so that they study gabby to understand the dope to a villa is considered one of the key figures in the nationwide network. baby traffic is you know, the 1000 cases, victims named team and his assistant system. maria from the order of the daughters of charity as the perpetrators. despite being reported dozens of times,

dr. villa continued to work with impunity. in 2018 charges were finally brought against him in one single case as reported by the spanish prince. the 5 year old appeared in court for the oral hearing, where he stated for the record, but he couldn't remember anything. is the next day the trial was suspended due to the defendant's health problems. 5 months later, villa was found guilty, but was acquitted to, to the statute of limitations for the crime. in 2019, he died many spanish knowns were involved in the baby snatching system. maria, dr. villas, right hand woman, was the alleged main perpetrator. yet she too was not charged until 2 cases in 2012 to the non by then in her late eighty's refuse to testify.

shortly before a new trial date, the order announced that she had died suddenly and had already been buried. why did the order only announce system marie is pausing after she had allegedly been quietly buried wise and ex you mation as demanded by victims groups still to 9 to this day in 2015 it emerged. the 2 different death certificates exist, the original signed by the physician, doctor beto co has a different sequence of digits than the copy. oddly enough, dr. barrow county was not even the attending physician. however, his father was a friend of dr. villa system, maria's former pulse, since our interview request was denied,

we visited adult to barrow call at home. how does he explained the different death certificates? however, he was not up to talking at the registry office, the different number sequences caused for a stone. this meant to get out and it didn't mean to the head of the department promised to look into the master. she would email us in a week at the latest but despite several follow up inquiries, we received no answer, no to st. kiddos. finally, we searched for the grave of the daughter of charity in the sand whose toe symmetry in madrid, with system maria is purportedly buried as officially the symmetry of thor is. these are not allowed to tell any one way. the grave is located. the religious order does not meet at last, but not least,

we visited the order of the daughters of charity. although they too refused us an official interview. a short conversation ensued. a sister died. we don't give statements, no comment. who our lives on to ashamed of what sister maria did know why a sister did what she had to do? we loved her as she is, she did her job well. the common del mazda was also once a nun in the order of the daughters of charity. on sundays, she often help system, maria, at the o'donnell clinic, and was surprised at the flow where the incubators were located was always closed off on that day. no one was gone to the entry only lights or did she find out that

babies was sold there on sundays the i store and lots of folks don't human and i also so women coming into the clinic with a pillow under the addresses and then walking out with a baby in there on the study that i'm not accusing all of assistance from the former order. but those who participated in these crimes must be punished by the state justice system notes by the judge in york. i want to touch the guy deals. i wanted to help people, so i became a none of the me, but i gradually realized how intolerant the church was. that it was on this side of the power notes on this side of the pool, the whatever, the level of the, what just the official church in spain said to the accusations, what does it think about the baby theft? we ask whole set, shall vieira communications director of the

a piece. skip it when i drop it. okay. most of where they actually weigh it out. at least they've got to look. i don't think you can say the catholic church was involved in the babies to have to get it hasn't been confirmed by any court decision or otherwise. there were some perpetrators who may have been associated with the church who worked in church institutions. the study of the church as an institution has nothing to do with the baby steps. it's individuals who acted on their own initiative. so you've got to blame the church as an institution. it's kind of a trade yourself because you funded by the family, you know? so could someone like system, maria have been selling children for years without who wrote and knowing it bounces . but, but i so much, in that case, ation would have to be substantiated in court. the court would then have to decide whether an institution should be prosecuted because it has knowledge of certain actions of its members. either human or i can determine that. so not a problem was that they gave me to new york. the

madrid's hospital district was a center of the baby abductions up until the 19 ninety's. there were thousands of cases kia alone in spain as a whole. close to 20000 cases have been reported in the last 15 years. move and 90 percent of the cases have been shelved the rest and making little progress. it's a matter of too many falls leads into little interest on the part of the judiciary . says journalist marie jose, as this will prove it to years, he's been trying to track down the truth. doing this. the guy though, who run through the assign yourself present in the close of my 10 years of research shows, i discovered numerous sports papers that prove the baby abduction yet. it may be one example is a document where a clinic doctor gave the cause of death to several babies as a title,

which is upset because of tied to is a homeless ear infection because the on the but on sundays, according to the dump to signature 5 children died from a title in the us. the numbers even when top is especially before christmas and around the tiffany. because the demand for babies was particularly high that elizabeth is a bus out on a for me baby. so our popular christmas gift low spots because if the family wanted to be socially acceptable in those days, they had to have children. they specify because e, england, and there's a couple couldn't have children is their own that lessons. and they just went and bought one to the coma cnn kid a bought his stuff drastic on the spot is, is based off the image piece of the catholic church, clearly supported these practices. for example, i discovered a pre black to explaining to a couple exactly how to proceed from selecting the baby at the maternity hospital. do you want me to picking it out and registering it? does that?

do you want to say we're making noise? is to you whether it was spain, ireland, australia, sheila, or arch in tina. the catholic church was always involved in babies matching. how could it has come to this feeling like well, that means when religion makes it packed with the powerful, it gets rewarded with privileges and becomes intolerance and diagrams in religion is an instrument of power. of course the happy movements in the catholic church that of trying to break the pattern, for example, liberation, theology in latin america, and also some clergy in this country. but there's still that other very dock side of the charge that prevents the truth coming out. yeah, it's round to itself in silence and there's going away with it to that to this very day. she lives here. even

although according to a recent survey, bailey 19 percent of the spanish population are still practicing catholics. the power of the church exhibits on its block is still strong today, a promise on sundry. you an x priest from the yoke attributes these primarily to the churches ambiguous, sexual morality, and wonderful together is of sites. the only send that really accounts for the church is facts. yeah. by declaring sex the same so you can dominate the faithful. whatever we have, the homeless on time drew was right is a child's by a priest. when he disclosed the abuse, the bishop rebuked him. he was the siena. he'd seduced the priest, but for some time dre you, it's about more than his personal experiences. he's particularly disgusted by the churches involvement in the baby abductions that too,

could only work. he believes because the nuns were trapped in a sexually hostile system, like listening in there like one thing, if you had to have a tool, you see that piece of his day the church believes that they were doing good to meet the 50. the non took away a woman's baby because in a non xyz, an unmarried woman was a prostitute, and not fit to be a mother knew. so she was saving the child by giving it to affluent christian people. that was the belief. yes, that is like what? the so the institution is the church, the baby trade was a profitable business. but for the individual none, it had nothing to do with money. i'm ok with that. what about what if you had the money she received for the sale of the children was not as important as she took it straight to the mother superior look. you know, if you want to win over a non,

when you don't give her money, would you give her a pilot? it shows her the keys to the delivery room or the keys to a pallet. well then that's how you get out on your side. i've been that few of them for that. the or perhaps some nuns going stuck into kind of treadmill the demand for children kept increasing collateral, inc, gosh, with those kinds of crazy. and it says 2 or 3 cases, they could suddenly have told themselves, we'll save this child's movement. but as time went on the demand to multiply the level at some point, the non wasn't concerned with them. saving a child with getting the job done from looking good in front of her boss, the doctor, and also the doctor's wife, who needed a child and i'm gonna call the wife at the kennel general. at 1st, she was supposed to procure a child maybe once a year, but then once a month, they to once a week or new and maybe eventually every day. yeah. keep this out or by the

church. she's silence on the matter and keeps its archives closed. and the victims lancaster on united movement to force clarification that such as he has he and there's but at least that kind of it's a mess. yes. it's really a problem that we didn't join forces and they were just too many victim groups guessing folks down in problems and petty jealousies to the brain sapient. what we need is one strongly agree with one or 2, no is or no that would get the publicity. we need the most of the data the same as the most. of course the sinus. he has forgotten also and all governments the hey, this is so lovely. i don't know that he had a seat in most his title in congress on those so novel. we have been to congress and phones the senate. come get him already promised his promises last time,

but nothing happened was okay, but it then then it says that basically waiting for us to give up for dying. what do you handle? almost almost as mothers have died in the meantime, e peasantry just to of course, k, i need to expose can delete those because it always will know monetary when the 5th mother, who's lost a child's thoughts campaigning for the truth that she went stone, you know, she caught up in this and so we'll continue to we've done most of talking no more than the the solar dad, luca delgado who's looking for her twin brother as also being campaigning. so many years, she found that a victim support group and is the press spokesperson for the joint action lawsuit, teen hodgen, tina. and perhaps most importantly, she introduced a bill in the spanish parliament that requires the state to recognize child abduction as a crime against humanity. is not a absolute commenting full sense. it's an absolutely crucial law for the victims of

baby snatching because it would finally compel the state to search for the dissipate children to deal with the individual cases and to bring the culprits to justice. specifically, we demand 1st and foremost, the opening of the archives, the state, and probably about to be that is because it's those tests that i'm asking for. in the case of private archives, we're particularly interested in the archives of the catholic church, which is being hermetically sealed. to this day, it's imperative that the church finally opens these archives and make schools irrelevant him to make chanel testable. not only so that the victims can learn the truth, but also says that they can finally conduct research into their own respective cases. to invest in $1000.00, we are not asking for money or the need on any kind of compensation. lo, nick. okay. the only thing we're asking for is psychological and medical help. but

as a d. h and to help civic tennessee mass may, but i'm gonna put you on a list that i may be se on now. in barcelona, we need gonzalo present who's been searching for his biological routes for over 20 years. he's lost faith in the goodwill of politics. somebody and she negligent for sure, even if the church were legally obliged to open its archives to take immediate legal action. the years we passed before anything actually happened the much i know because most cases of infant abduction followed a similar passion involving doctor's nuns and nurseries. in barcelona, there was an additional profit to you here until the 1970s is joseph. the garr us ran an ultra catholic relief organization that offered young single pregnant women apartments extensively as

a retreat to hide. the shame from the public on the garris also took care of all the women's medical arrangements from hospitalization to delivery. once the child was born, the business operation began. according to investigations, find the public prosecutor's office. around 2000 newborns was sold by shall, safety, care, us. desperate unmarried young mothers with coaxed and co worst into giving upset babies. all the infants were declared, still borne by medical accomplices, consolidate posts, and he's one of the stolen children. his mother had died and his father was suffering from dementia. when he 1st sold the documents that showed something was wrong. in his birth certificate, the crucial entry was missing the name of his parents, the virginia state. actually you easily as i discovered fairly quickly that i hadn't even be legally adopted,

but sold by figueroa. so that's a huge difference. of course, i can logically sort of the introduce the documents to his perception of a happy childhood. and he trying to get more information once he gave us. who was this man? a form a keeps going up. he quickly worked his way up through to the highest church circles before handing over a child to adoptive parents. pierre us 1st had them to what cost with him on christian child rearing. and the babies tend to be baptized. it all happened here in the rectory and didn't the police seem a concepcion church make only in that kind of populations a lot? no. eh, assessing dicey. if you discover more about my birth. i went to the nuns who worked

with joseph vigorous from 1967 to 1974. and they told me i that's very difficult to find out anything. yeah. because there was a big flood that destroyed all the archives. yeah, the only other option will just kind of try it again a week later, but uh and, and i forgot about it. and they told me that there being a fire here is ago which had destroyed all the documents photo 9 and dr. young, got a young old one i didn't call off the docks and postpone the policy of sale. oh gosh, i don't think would probably be of tells me and both of ok now going to be for maybe an earthquake and then i'd be swallowing up all the documents for us anyway, and even have the properties we visit the religious order, which has been linked to east introductions on numerous occasions to old nuns welcome us. but when we say we journalists stay, a friendly smiles fade. that was a long time ago. it was in the eighty's in some hospitals,

but it has nothing to do with us. from was hacked us. we are tired of talking about this subject. you gen lists claims, things that are not true. i'm sorry if it sounds vulgar, but the more you deal with shit when the more it starts, just leave me much. when you get the minutes to knowing anything about us. on the contrary, they all believe they've acted for the better good. for me personally, i've given a copay that i keep going, especially from my daughter. so she will know one day where she comes from school, she had to draw a family tree at the top of her tray was empty. probably i think that, i mean the winds into spine told the premises because the church not opened its all kinds to these day. hello. said to us about going to a couple of those have to lose the subsidy. was the last nothing the industry to of

these children actually stored mainly in the archives of public institutions. for instance, in the archives of the maternity awards and clinics where the babies were born and then stone and the church archives. on the other hand, slip up to smooth registers that to you, they never storage such data, except they're only interested in the religious side of a person. nothing would be noted that could give any indication of a child's origins. no story about his own registers or not a suitable means of finding out where this child comes from. whether it's a store or not. so i would say if you listen to me though, they sending you of the i see the, the amnesty international disagrees with these statements and points out the church. all kinds do have documents that could help victims in this search. the clues after old, the majority of maternity clinics and maternity hines on the church management cheering the franco era. only

a few mothers and children have found each other, but even their disappointment is often inevitable. if expectations are too high. the your in to a less pity is here. i once don't, i had found my daughter when there was quite a match and the same clinic and madrid my the same day to best i mean as must be done. and so we had to dna testing done, and i mean, but unfortunately the result was negative for not again our full time for an ideal or yes or that are you really drunk? one throw me in. and even if i were to find my son today to that, that it's might not be the dream ending with autoplay, but he wouldn't want to know anything about mandel, e, that would be terrible. i mean, hires me s huh. they told me he gave me a fault those me whole easiest of even the of course you have to know your

expectations of this child is now in adults of almost 40. yes. perhaps shaped by influence is you weren't like what is that? just got a warranty? the hosting of the need that's good for the expect that dfcs basically i no longer believe all that's assigned to my door so that the other thing is it was in the other hands. i often think what it is, this child is happy with her adoptive parents. why should i bring her back into my wealth? yes, these are really what i want is my child to know. i know that i didn't give her away and i wasn't to prostitute or nicholas is they see it because they gave me that she was stone and from me and this i never stopped loving. how would that be with this? but it did, it was that what you have with anything else is or not, but as the to tech a they who are, they get it. and that's all i care about and say the solution they'd be there in that. i don't that in throw hazel's leave, but the time it's so late in the

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