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thereby, john had long been accused of using hunger as a weapon against the majority or medium population of the dispute, and according to cairo, by region. now, it's using actual weapons. the a very government has launched what it calls an anti terrorism operation against armenian separatists and the enclave. that it's feared, could turn into an all out conflict. after a 44 day war and 2020, that left over 6000 people dead piece was brokers. vive lot improvement. and russian. peacekeepers were deployed. this new offensive and the caucuses can suggest that russia is no longer calling the shots and its former sphere of influence. nicole for ocean berlin and this is the day the move, but we're deeply worried about sharp escalation of the situation and never. and i'll kind of boss my mazda announcement. i want to make it clear that all media is
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a no way involved in any military operations. rushers distracted the crate that the the peacekeeping force in the car box as most properly pressed officers to the board. the crane stecky's case that on russia strongly encourages the conflicting sides to stop the flood shut. friday, 15 reiterates the republic of armenia has no on the end of the kind of box diplomatic capacity of those certain limited. because an american through like best buy, john sees the dressers we tested because christ also on the day, not only is twitter not twitter anymore, a long must says he's working on making users pay for access to his re branded platform that really say the pay the single, single, most important reason that we're moving to having
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a small monthly payment for the use of the system is it's, it's, it's the only way i can think of to combat the best always of bots. welcome to the day. it's good to have you with us. otherwise, on has launched a military operation against a majority armenian enclave. inside its territory, calling it's offensive. and then according to current by region, an anti terrorist operation. verizon is demanding separate. his forces lay down their arms and the leadership, their resign. garner car bosses internationally recognize as part of their by gone, but it's almost all of its residents are ethnic. armenians is or verizon to control of parts of the territory and a war against armenia in 2020 armenians prime minister calls the attack ethnic cleansing against armenians. and the finding is raising fears of a wider conflict and a region where great power interest collide bill has returned to the golden account
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about these are images from the city is to conduct cuts. artillery strikes close by the sound of air raid sirens. people heading for the shelters. the operation by the is every minute tree against the region inside is on board is started on tuesday morning. the going to kind of bostic that is independence in the 19 ninety's that was never recognized. internationally joined the last 2 or 3 years ago as a by john re, clients control of large parts of the tetra tree. russia. step 10 is immediate and station peacekeepers on the border. boston medium prime minister, the co question young accuses us about china, the attempted ethnic cleansing of the tire tree where the majority are armenians. he said, you see one security for the army is living there for it has no territorial claims . as every tv broadcast images like these defense ministry spokesman explained the
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targets a minute treated nature. and the operation was counter terrorist. hospitalized upon the cat treated a number of injured people, including children as a by john has a large military budget financed by sales of natural gas. and it's also encouraged by all means these weakness, traditional ally, russia, is distracted by the war, and ukraine must go, is displeased by all menus, decision to hold ministry drills with us troops. richard garrick rosie an american armenian academic and political analyst, who is in new york city right now and joins us. he's the director of the meaning base independent think tank regional studies center mr. garrett goes the on, thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us today, but otherwise on says it's broken through armenian defensive lines. what do you understand the situation to be right now? well,
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unfortunately we saw on the read just reliance on the force of arms over diplomacy might also be drawn. what's most important, however, is understanding this latest offensive why algebra john is neither new nor particularly surprising. it's only the latest in an escalation. and in this context, it comes in the backdrop of a preexisting humanitarian catastrophe, where the republic of norma horrible was under c since last december. but great concerns remain over the potential further loss of life among the civilian population there. yeah, i want to get into all the points that you just raised because you say it doesn't come as a surprise time since had been rising for quite some time. what do you make of the timing of it though? you know, i think the timing was a miscalculation by all summer john, because we do have the un general assembly meeting and we do have international
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focus on our media and warner car law as demonstrated by the recent deployment of you monitors, to our media and us facilitation of diplomatic talks supported by brussels as well. so i think it's a miscalculation that could lead to further diplomatic isolation of also been drawn . miscalculations don't know why, and what exactly is back who hoping to achieve here? well, i'm the one hand to forecast what algebra john seeks. i think it's pretty clear they're seeking to drive out the arguing population from the going a car la, creating an environment, a one certainty and insecurity. and the timing is also about a closing window of opportunity. russia remains overwhelmed and distracted by its failed invasion of ukraine. russia has surrendered on the. busy the diplomatic
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initiative, and i also think also with john feels emboldened by recent shipments of military equipment from israel, as well as the turkish military support. but it is dangerous in terms of risking the lives of a 120000 guard medians who pose no threat to anyone. yeah, and i want to get a little deeper into the humanitarian situation because it has been deteriorating over the past months during this a very blockade of newborn okay. or about or no food. no medicine could get through . verizon was even accused of genocide of ethnic cleansing. how do you expect the situation for civilians there to evolve now as well? it's only getting worse. it's shortages of food, critical medicine, but also dangerously shortages of gasoline. no longer is no longer car law. able to turn to ambulance or fire response services,
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and this is also a public health emergency without the trash collection. so the daily lives of our medians are both under threat one also on certain. this is also, but john's ultimate plan to promote in pro vogue marable voluntary ex it is and i do think this is the danger and coupled with the threat of fears over diplomacy, the i work for tomorrow looks bleak. yeah. think russia has historically been a mediator between the 2 parties of this conflict, but as you already said, they're now very much preoccupied with the war they unleashed on ukraine. how is that changed russia's role in the caucuses and this conflict in particular? well, is changed. everything both do and politically,
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but also in terms of military security. russia has deployed 2000 peacekeepers to newborn a car law who are both weak but also willing to stand by and watch. in other words, they are failing to fulfill basic expectations of the terms of the ceasefire as well as to secure access in and out of newborn a car law, which depends on only one power to the lodging carver, nor why is that why it was the wife and peacekeepers in the 1st place, if they're not going to be able or willing to keep the peace as well. i would say the war 2020 ended with a russian impose ceasefire agreement and a russian deployment of peacekeepers where they never had a presence before. but i do think adds their military losses in weakness on the ukrainian battlefield mounted since last year. they are ever more exposed. but
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there is also a degree of complicity. we have a gas agreement between the european union and also bridge on which is actually a swap agreement allowing also bridge onto we export russian gas. so i do think there's a larger calculation here and the art mediums of the government, the car or ball are paying the price for that. who has the diplomatic or even maybe military capacity to stop this from spiraling out of control? well, the good news is we see a degree of western resolve that's been missing to date. and the west in terms of the e. u, in the united states are not seeking to mediate their seeking to facilitate a diplomatic solution. and increasingly overdrawn is becoming a rogue state in walking away from diplomacy. and there will be a price to pay whether it's the threat of sanctions or diplomatic isolation. but i
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do think what really needs to move forward is more of a western commitment to security. because after all, it's not just a weapon, ization of food that was used. but it's now the weapon of the year. yeah, that was richard garrett goes down to new york. thank you so much for your time. thank you. the terms from across se asia have launch their 1st ever joint military drills and rising tensions over china's activities and the region. all 10 member states of the association of southeast asian nations or alien are joining the naval maneuvers in the nation, as military says, the 5 days of drills will practice military skills, including maritime security and for tools, distribution of humanitarian assistance, and disaster relief. they will not be practicing combat operation each other being
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held right next to the south. china sea, a maritime region that china claims about 90 percent off. you can see there that's within the blue demarcation line. that's called the 9 strokes line. china claims 9 percent of that region, a z and member. it's bordering that see including the philippines, malaysia and vietnam, reject china's claims. and the maneuvers were originally plans to be held right along the edge of the south china sea. but they were moved to indonesia, south, and the to not seem to avoid any disputed waters and avoid more possible friction with china. and those competing claims have less to tens confrontations in the south china sea like this one between china and the philippines. just a few weeks ago, chinese coast guard meso block the philippine ship from bringing supplies to filipino troops stationed on a contested on china has been busy and recent years
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building military bases and other structures on islands that it claims in the south china sea like our strips for war, plains, bears all systems and electronic jamming equipment. a top us military commander has called the construction a hostile up link walk is a senior fellow for asia pacific security at the international institute for strategic studies and an expert on the south china seats. so the perfect person to talk about all of this ms. clark, welcome to the day. what's the signal? this is sending to china. thank you very much for having you and your show. nicole . it's a pleasure to be here. i was looking at the trails. i think that mainly targeted to several achieving several goals. so 1st it seeks to boost into operability between the various austin countries, exercising the goal. and as you mentioned earlier,
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these are all 10 of the option number 6 seconds. it's meant to showcase us here in unity that it's meant to a set options uh continued to teaching a relevance given the rise of various security related media naturals, including the which are natural security tied, those and the focus nuclear power deal between the united states. the u. k. as well as history of the i 2021 of these of old given advice to persons about the continuing relevance of us in industry, teach, excel and us. and i think it's seeking to counter the narrative that is using strategically relevance and finding these drills are aimed at promoting the rule of law, which is being challenged northeast by china is actions in the south china sea. however, if we look at the trails to say, i think it would be wrong. as some media outlets have suggested to say that they are directly aimed at targeting china. i think the goal is they seek to achieve,
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but those that i outlined um, just a while ago there are tensions between china and the various countries, southeast asian countries, particularly those that have competing teams with china competing nally honda as well as territorial pains with china but by and large, i think so he's asian countries do one good relations with the military with the powerful and economically powerful neva. and so, you know, i think it's important to remember that these drills seek to achieve what goals rather than, uh, specifically being aimed at targeting china, well intentioned, to help and running high in the south china sea. though. now, aside from, you know, everything that you, you just laid out, are we seeing any diplomatic efforts to, to the ease tensions? yes, that happens with the magic methods to ease tensions. and these have seen renewed focus of the southeast asian countries as well as china, seeking to conclude
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a codes of conduct in the south china sea. however, i'm not that's optimistic about reaching a code of conduct a meaningful code of conduct at least any time soon. these negotiations have been 2 decades in the making and they happen various obstacles to beaching, meaningful code of conduct, you know, read the rest of the code of conduct and apply. so essentially, to apply to the entice you this whole trying to see only those areas that are disputes between china and the southeast asian countries. um, what sort of activities should the code or concepts of prohibits should it, or have it all contentious activities, such as the building of fortresses on various land features and this all trying to see or should we take china as well and believes that we should just to be trust china, when it says that these are full peaceful campuses that are also obstacles such as you know, whether or not these should be if there is a dispute in this,
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i'll try to see whether these should be subject to the dispute resolution mechanisms that the united nations convention on the door to see and finally, whether or not the current that should be a deeply binding document. so that various obstacles to reaching a meaningful code of conduct. and i'm not optimistic about reading, reaching any can agreement any time soon. yeah. so the nation's name, like being united in this exercise but, and as he already explained, there's, you know, many interest at play a contentious ones that where does all of that leave the blocks ability to avoid getting caught up in the middle of the us, china rivalry is certainly as young is um, more relevant and stronger when it's united. and so, as you mentioned, you know, the us or you suggested the us trying to rival b is leading to various centrifugal forces um on the,
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on the block as well as on the various countries in the block. do they choose trying out? do they choose the united states, and if the countries are to be able to remain away from the fray, they have to stand phone together. and so we have sessions of us and a central is he not just in was but oh so indeed. and of course, would you be some challenges to us in unity on this? i'll try to see issue in terms of the political and humanitarian crisis. and yeah, might as well that, that it's very difficult for the countries to reach agreement given that competing or difference in that. i think it's very important. that's very important for them to remember. remember that they all share an interest in the booth space international or the, or the international who live know, and she sent them and that, and of course, apart from gosh, i think it's important for them to seek to, to better ties or to enhance ties with other countries apart from the united states
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in china as well included countries in europe. and you golf, for instance. so the us to a priest that when hans the strategic options and in dealing with and inc divided 12 has learned clock. thank you so much for that analysis to really say the pay the single single most important reason that we're moving to having a small monthly payment for the use of the system is it's it's, it's the only way i can think of to combat the best armies of bonds, because a bond costs a fraction of a penny caught a 10th of a penny. but if, if somebody even has to pay, you know, some a few dollars or something some, some minor amount. the, the, the effective cost of, of bots is very high. and then you also have to get a new payment method every time you have in your bought those are the words of a loss, the owner of the social media platform,
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x formerly known as twitter. now will we soon have to pay to posts or even to just read other people's posts. this would be the biggest jacobs since the tech tycoon took over the site almost a year ago. and there have been many thousands of layoffs cuts to content, moderation, premium, subscription models, and reinstating band accounts like that of donald trump. so let's unpack all of this with max on either media reporter with a new sites demo for max. good to see you again. unless says the company is moving towards a small monthly payment, does that mean business really happening? is this a done deal to? well, you know, we never really know what's going to happen with you on musk. uh, and particularly when it comes to twitter or x, i guess, as it's now known, you know, he's made a number of changes since buying the company last year. and he also has
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made some changes that he's reversed. uh, you know, uh which accounts that he's then unrestricted afterwards. so the 1st thing is we don't really know anything about this. he mentioned this in an off handed as an off handed remark in a chat with is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu. so we don't really have any more details, but we do know that this has been something that's been on the lawns mind. uh it was reported, i believe last year that he had discussed this idea privately. and he's been kind of obsessed with the issue a box since before he even took over twitter. so this is definitely something that's been on you on his mind for quite some time. and we know that given some of twitters or excess issues with, with, with revenue at the moment that they're looking to increase increased funding, increased revenue in any kind of way they can. so it seems like they're taking this idea very seriously, but we don't really have details anybody those, what i wanted to ask you is those really about keeping bought down or is must
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speaking sources of revenue? well i, i do think that it's, i do think clearly it's both. i mean, you know, as i mentioned you want, it's been talking about this box issue has been obsessed with it. since even before he was really involved in the company, he spoke to twitter in 2020 and he kind of gave like a he address to essentially a company all hands. and he talked about how this was one way that he would change the platform to reduce, to reduce spots, which i think believed we're, we're kind of spammy and you know, could be directed by the various actors to kind of, uh, clogged the platform up. so it's, it's definitely something that he actually, that, that really does bother him. is it quite well, really going to do much to keep bots out though there's that's, that's another legitimate question. i think that, you know, based on what, what some cyber security experts have said. obviously this would reduce some bots on the platform because it just creates another,
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another barrier that they would have to go through. but at the same time, a committed a for a person who's committed to disbanding on twitter and is committed to a bought network. uh certainly could find up the personal information that you might need to set up one of these accounts or to, um, uh, you know, to get by the pay. well, they can find some of that information online. so i think that it's certainly not gonna stop this altogether and i think you can't think about this decision without thinking about the fact that you want is really trying to, to monetize twitter because they have some, uh, pretty big uh, pretty big uh, revenue issues at the moment this hasn't gone down well with users. is this going to be the death blow for a platform already struggling to hold onto advertisers and users? yes, certainly i think that a lot of users, um, you know, myself included who been using the platform for, for years and years, decade in over
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a decade. even are not particularly pleased with having to with the prospect of having to, to pay to use uh to use something that's been you know, previously free. and of course there are a number of, of, of x or twitter alternatives that are out there now. and you know, the most obvious being threads, but others including blue sky as well. so i think, you know, users of the platform are obviously not particularly thrilled about this idea. but uh, you know, we have on, on the other hand, you know, we've heard in the past that the twitter competitors, my, you serve twitter x. and that just really hasn't been the case. it continues to have a pretty strong base of, of daily users. so at, even as you want, has made a number of changes to the platform. so it really just depends on how much is it, how much this is gonna cost and how they roll this out. if this is a dollar a month, you can see a situation in which a lot of people would pay it's, it's not per it's, it's not, it's not a lot. if it's,
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if it's significantly more than that, you know, that's possibly another story, given the amount of subscriptions that, that, uh, daily internet users have. is this. all right, we'll have to let you go, but would you pay a dollar a month for x? i, you know, what i'm, i'm pretty addicted to the platform. i might see a situated situation in which i would pay a dollar, but, you know, i'm not paying $8.00 now for the, for the premium, which i think is, is significantly higher. so, you know, maybe there's somewhere some pets there somewhere in that range that, that it becomes and they'll go for me. so made sure find here so we can spot those max. donnie always got to you. thank you so much. sure, thank you. a unless or time, make sure to stay informed, stay engaged and stay in touch. you can still find this for free on twitter or it acts as it's known under apps that we use and myself, nicole underscore squarely. thank you so much for joining us today. by the
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