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the, the, this is the, the news coming july from berlin gunshots reported in the garden. a car box presidents accused also by john of violating a cease fire as hawks on the future of disputed territory wrap up. 2 days of fighting gave us a push on a swift military victory of the regions, separators. also coming up pulling tents. its flow of weapons to ukraine may not be guaranteed. keep appears at risk of losing the aid of one of its strongest allies for diplomatic tensions escalate those tensions stem from a dispute over ukrainian great plus new life from stem cells,
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scientists and israel make a breakthrough and growing embryos without a fertilized egg, we look into what that means for the future of humanity, the little m. terry martin. good to have you with us. i think armenians indigo. know colorado have accused of probation on it by leading a cease fire deal authority. said gun shots were heard in the center of the regional capital, was about john has denied violating the ceasefire. this comes as representatives from both sides wrapped up tops in the city of your life in azerbaijan. the talks were scheduled after a special and secured a swift military victory over ethnic armenians separatists in their going no quarter above. still to go into
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a car box is internationally recognized as part of azerbaijan, even though most of its residents are ethnic armenians. it is long functioned as a defacto autonomy region. before we hear from our reporter in europe on let's take a look at how events have unfolded before those reports of a ceasefire bridge. the moment armenian forces lifted trenches. that's what this video published by us or by john's defense ministry claims to show just one day after launching a military operation, as or by john declared victory over separatists in the armenian majority and place of another know got above. you know, i mean, as soon as a result of the start of anti terrorist measures yesterday at the approximately 1300 hours and the successful completion of as a by john has restored it's sovereignty. sorting lady,
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by the way of tensions has been charged in the break away region after us or by john blockaded the only road to armenia last year that led to food and medicine shortages and accusations of ethnic cleansing. the latest round of fighting began after us or by john's foreign ministry said 4 soldiers and 2 civilians had died in gland mine explosions in the region. drawing a tax and artillery fires, then tokens of residents, liang, many to a camp operated by a russian peacekeepers. but armenian fighters were outnumbered and under, supplied, leaving them no choice but to lay down their arms across the border in armenia, this condemned with the governor's handling of the prizes reached boiling point. the deputy your lawn has been rocked by sometimes violent anti government buddhists
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. many few, their leaders have abandon ethnic armenians to their fate. the minimum of the whole nation disagrees with the surrender of nicole and i'm kind of back to as a, by john holmes. no one agrees with it. and the government, our government is inactive. it does nothing. the threat of a full scale war has been over did for now. but the region lies in factors. azerbaijan, as president, has promised of darn it into a paradise and says he wants to integrate the population there, claims that ethnic armenians are likely to view with more than a bit of fear and skepticism. d, w 's, maria killed him. andrea is in armenia, is capital europe on. what are you hearing, maria from the golden o'connor, basketball accusations that the cease fire has been broken as
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well. we are hearing from the voices from the car boss that indeed they can hear some guns far in the center of the capital city. step on the chairs uh, one uh local tells me that you can hear gunfire next to the hospital. so if we just right in the center, so the situation is quite died and it seems like the situation of the city is quite kyle tech. and people are running to the shelters of their panicking and they do not know what to do for now. they just, there's also no electricity, very poor internet connection, but we are trying to reach those people and they're telling us that they are just hiding. and also we are receiving calls, some on verified reports that are there by johnny forces are advancing from the outskirts of the city right to the center of the city. but of the,
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the situation on the ground change was really fast. so for now we cannot really verify independence the as of now that information. so these fun verified reports that the cease fire has been broken. they come after 2 days of peace talks between us about john and armenia. what came out of those talks, if anything. uh uh, well, uh, if you ask uh, lets say as or by john. uh, i said by johnny side, they will. they'll tell you that we talked about going to gratian. we talked about safety, all for car box here means but didn't, they did not go into details. they did not say exactly what, what was the treatment of these negotiations. but the separatists are saying that they have to ensure their, the security and the safety of the people 1st before they can lay down their weapons. so as a side, the situation is quite fluid now and still the,
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the agreement was not reached. and that's what we actually some of the, some of the experts and some of the people, even in the car boss expects it. because this is the conflict that has been ongoing for such a long time. that it's going to be really difficult to resolve all the issues with the just one meeting. that's what we're hearing. maria, thank you very much for bringing this up to date there. that was our correspondent, marie, a couple months here in europe on well, as maria mentioned, this conflict has been going on for a long time to get some insights on what's happening in that region. what's bringing elisa, the cobra now she's deputy director for the europe and central asia program at the international crisis group. that's a think tank based in london. elisa, thanks for being with us. these areas and armenians have met for talks, but tensions continue to play, or, as we just heard over in the,
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going to come about what can be done to secure peace there. so i ran include the talks that happened today in the wake of the house of the as originally expensive between was originally representatives and representatives of the fact it was already is in the garden of ha ha, or something that international mediators have pushed for, for the past year, you know, to have these direct talks on the future and the fate of some 120000 residents living and they're going to come off. now these talks are coming under duress after 24 hours of this lightning military operation. buyers average on and the most important and critical thing now is how the cruise managers, the situation going forward and really takes into account the concerns of residence . there ensures the safety and security of the population and, and most importantly, allows to mandatory in organizations access. this conflict goes by decades with the
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armenians accusing azerbaijan of carrying out ethnic cleansing in the region. how can trust be restored between the 2 sides? i mean, trust is, is really not there. i know this is particularly difficult to have these conversations now in a after, after military offensive. but also over the past 9 months, residents in the region has been dealing with shortages of food, of medicines, of fuel because of an effective blockade of the only road leading to the end of may of leading tubes and growing a curve off. so i mean, they have that residence there are exhausted, they're scared, they're especially afraid now because there have been rumors and of course that the servers and wants to whole to count and we'll have some kind of subtraction caps to
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arrest men who have been involved in the fighting, not only in 2020, more of between army and as ever done, but also in the previous 4 in 1990 is just a 2nd collapse with it. so the union spread it in fair, very, very simple. so trust is in very short supply. there uh no, russia is usually influential in the region. russia has had peacekeepers there, but last month you were quoted in the guardian newspaper saying that the renew the option of this conflict was quote, assign a. busy goes weakness, what do you mean by that? so i think it's, it's russia has been critical and brokering the ceasefire between armenian as evers on in 2020, which led to the withdrawal of armenian forces from newburn apparel. and as peacekeepers being deployed there, that was, it's usually important and it's continued to be involved in cheese talks between
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armenia and servers on my, alongside the european union. and washington of there were even 2 separate peace agreements dressed in the works for a while. really, what we're saying is that since it's invasion of ukraine, russia has been destructive, and it's peacekeepers whose are commanded in the region have really done very little to be able to deter, as they are based on his advances. as soon as you get during this military offensive, now we haven't seen extremely strong words or condemnations from moscow of my crew putting only weight in after a house in fighting. so it's really a brush has shown itself either unwilling or unable to intervene. it's alyssa,
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thank you very much for helping us make sense of that. alyssa, the carbon now of the international crisis group in london. thank you very much. thank you. a sketch up on some of the stories making headlines today. india has stopped processing visas for canadians until further notice. as the 2 countries remain locked in a diplomatic dispute. canadian prime minister just intruder has accused indian authorities of being involved in the killing of a 6 separatist leader in canada. delhi also said it wants to reduce the number of canadian diplomats in india. syria's president bush alas side has begun his 1st official trip to china in almost 20 years. so is trying to secure funds to rebuild his country, devastated by more than a decade of civil war. besides, will also attend the opening ceremony the ation giving king charles has addressed
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french lawmakers and senators in the upper house of the french parliament to this is the 1st time british monarch has delivered a speech in a french legislative. james holdings, government says it will deliver all of the weapons that had previously promised to ukraine, that after prime minister meant to smaller of the ups. the caused confusion after suggesting his country would stop sending arms. he told a police television station quote, we are no longer transferring weapons to ukraine because we are now arming poland with more modern weapons. it now seems the prime minister was referring to previously agreed. the liver, he is after which poland will have nothing more to give dw us the polish foreign ministry. what exactly the prime minister meant? an official from the police for ministry, told us the following. it's is pretty obvious that ukraine,
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the what's has already been the problem is already sent ukraine. what is head in stocks? i understand that there is an ongoing heated debate, but we need to see the bigger picture regarding pole in central role in helping ukraine resist. the russian invasion earlier i spoke to me help bought our enough ski, he's the managing director of the german marshall fund east. i asked him to put the polish leader's comments into perspective for us. oh, there was one more statement in the meantime, that does clarify 5 minutes. that is one of the key intent statement from the spokesperson government, who basically said that holland will not agree to any new contracts with ukraine, will not send a new military aid that was not previously agreed. so we are in this situation where on the one time we have a strong political statement for from
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a prime minister and what are the etzky a. and on the other hand, we see a modest policy change saying the ones that have been already ordered will be delivered, but there will be no new orders, no new agreements, assign between poland and ukraine when it comes to military 8. well, modest, assuming that the ward isn't dried off grind on and ukraine needs more, more weapons from poland. absolutely. tensions between warsaw on t of had been shimmering for days as you know, give us the background. how did we get here or? yeah, no, i see the stations as, as rudy very strong and very worrying. i would say that we are in the worst moment impala issue. great in the relations since the beginning of the, of the war. and that's quite a statement for 2 countries and to people's and being very, very close is february 24th. how did we get here? it's really all started with the grain. a dispute on looking from the polish
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farmers perspective. they have seen a flood of ukraine grain. the government decided to step in, especially given that we are in the run up to the parliamentary election and put in the union lock at all and bar go, which then was brought me to the, the hall you but now poland and stuff i can and you and me hungry are the only ones that are maintain, you just embargoed. and that's really the source of the tensions that now are unfortunately spilling in the, in the critical security and defense area. indeed that to margot has angered ukraine and we've got some remarks there that ukraine has made and response and that has angered poland. poland is a less than a month away from those elections. you mentioned what role are those elections playing in this dispute?
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as it, they play critical are, all right, let's put it very clearly that we would not be seeing the statement from the polar side and, and 2nd and not the same dynamics if we were not in the parliamentary election campaign. again, it started with the green embargo and the group, the ukraine grain that affected is very important voting part in both, you know, good voting segments, all these farmers, it created a very public response from the, from the public government. so issues that you know, otherwise could have been, i'm sure, easily solved behind closed doors. and really in the spirit of de paul issue, creating in friendship incorporation that we have seen since the beginning of the work because of the campaign have arisen and really are driving emotions. i would argue very much on both sides and, and are still escalating. unfortunately,
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michelle, thank you very much. good to see you again. that was michelle barnowski, the managing director of the german marshall fund east. meanwhile, there's a lot going on at the un security council meeting in new york, ukraine's president and beloved musa lensky, was invited to discuss the war and ukraine. although you create is not a current member of the party. savanski used his time to lobby for a fundamental change to the counsels. vito process, he said, that as long as permanent member russia could block any resolution, the rest of the world could do nothing about his war of aggression against ukraine . frustrated by the security council's inability to prevent and in the war in ukraine, president below to move villains to insist at the most critical path to protect the world from russian in question, is to strip it of its power at the un, a little guy because it isn't always the pyre veto in the hands of the aggressor is what has pushed the un into a deadlock of with nibbling in that in the assembly. one thing, therefore,
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the un general assembly should be given real power to overcome the veto nicole. this is the essential step and most of them as if it is otherwise impossible to stop the war points of it though, because all efforts of v towed by the aggressor or those who condone the aggressor with tanya not what was left in the assembly. the rush is one of the councils, 5 permanent members, each is able to kill resolutions with the power of its veto, even when most nation support them. russia has repeatedly kept the un for moving against it, and it's a war of aggression and ukraine. russian for administer, sir gay lover off, pushed back, accusing the west of geopolitical bias. he also defended russia's veto power. of the most opinion you use a veto is an absolutely legitimate tool laid out in the un charter and order to prevent taking decisions that would risk splitting the organization. the product you possess zillow ski. however, one that i'm checked to be no power by
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a member leading an unjust war or diminishes the confidence smaller globe or players have in the when he also reached out to world leaders in the global south. by calling from work and cetacean, in the body with expanded permanent membership as well. i mean, you only know code human biological reproduction, one day become obsolete. oh, that's a question researchers and is real, have been exploring for now it looks impossible to create a human baby without a mother and father and help, but they've made a striking, they made striking progress and growing an embryo, basically from scratch. this is what a 2 week old embryo looks like, but it didn't come from the fusion of a sperm cell and an accel. it was made from stem cells. researchers from the vitamin institute of science and israel learned how to reprogram stem cells into cells found in an early stage embryo. after jacob hannah's teen mix them together.
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a few turned into balls of cells called aggregates, which grew into something that strikingly resembled human embryos. about one percent of the aggregate. so we can see that these thoughts start differentiating correctly, migrating and sorting themselves into the correct structure and the fathers, we could get it as de 14 in human embryo. develop scientists in the field are quick to point out that even if the cell aggregates start to look and act like embryos is still far from the real thing, the method has limits. i want to emphasize that if you're talking about trying to make a whole baby pregnancy outside the uterus, that is just impossible because the human embryo is very big for this is 9 months. so that is not, it's not, it's not. our goal is actually also impossible and no concerns about that.
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instead, the goal is to create models that give a better understanding of what happens directly after and it goes fertilized without the ethical concerns involved in using real human embryos. even now to little is known about early development and what can go wrong in the 1st crucial weeks after conception. it's a time when many pregnancies is fi file. so refreshing site that might come from the use of the stem cell based models of human embryos might lead to a better understanding of the causes of miscarriage. and indeed, some of the really unique aspects of these are the stages of human development that could lead to important medical breakthroughs in reproduction. but the technology also takes us one step further into an ethical mind field. as for lauren, this i'm joined by dw science reporter on a cobb health. this sounds like
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a huge development. how significant is this new research? the thing is, we know, disturbing the level about the beginning of our existence, our 1st days and weeks of life, or just impossible to study without doing harm to the embryo in the womb about the mother. so there are technical boundaries and they are ethical boundaries. why we should not do that and but those at the same time this as a period in which many pregnancies, if not the majority of pregnancies fail, and we just don't know why. so using embryo models as of work around as a very elegant and very useful tool researches could use to treat and understand miscarriages. genetic diseases, birth effects, they could use them to understand how drugs work use during early pregnancy is something you also wouldn't do with a really pregnant mother and the unborn life. and they could, and this is something for the fire fire fire just in the way future. they could also be used to one day grow transplant issues and oregon's. and this is of course
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something many people around wells could benefit from. okay. so potential benefits there, potentially huge benefits and yet this, this procedure, what they're doing there in, in the lab and is real, is considered usually controversial to explain to us what the ethical concerns are . well, to study these questions we just spoke about, researches wants to come as close to the real human embryo as possible. and until recently, that wasn't a problem because the embryo models they created for on the a sketchy resemblance to the real thing. but these times are over now, as dental biologist, i spoke to tells me that seeing the models we just saw in the report by the hand, our group sent a chill down his spine as they were so similar to real human embryos. that's why researchers are, you got to say this, i'm not real embryos. these are not real embryos. they're just embry models. but we have to wonder when do embryo models when they come so far stopped on models?
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so being models and become equivalent to the real thing. sure, it's, uh, you know, it's a frankenstein notion here, coming, coming to life. the scientist in that report indeed said that there's a long ways to go again before anything like a, a real human embryo or it can be created. but they're not there yet. saying it's impossible actually to do that. it's not really the case or is this, is this not what the whole process of doing? what they're doing is leading towards. i totally understand why these researchers say it's impossible to do that. they want to continue doing their research and they are aware of the frankenstein scenario that you mentioned that a lot of media reports mentioned. so they stress it's, it's not possible at the moment, but they're also legal restrictions preventing them and preventing that. and at the moment, this human model, these m remodels, are far away from ever being transplanted into a room, which is what they would be needed. because as of now, it's possible to,
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to nourish a couple of cells in a, in a preacher petri dish. but it's not possible to do the same with the whole baby. however, research and this field is progressing at an unprecedented speed. only this year, 6, some of the papers 6, some of the models were published. and in april researches creates embryo monkey embryo models and transplanted them into the you dresses of sign them august monkeys, the pregnancies if they worked at all last that only a couple of days. so it's really important distress so far. there's no animal or human embryo model that ever formed in the unites, but research is doing baby steps towards that possibility. well, we'll keep watching those baby steps on a cod house dw science reported. thank you very much. i a girl watching dw news from berlin coming up next. uh, well 1st the reminder of our top story of this point. residents in the dispute region and click on a car box claim to us by john has violated
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a cease fire that ended 2 days of fighting representatives from both sides, from abrupt of tongues on the future of the region, which is internationally recognized as part of us or by john, but it's home to with ethics armenian majority. i'm terry martin for me and all of us here. thanks for watching the
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