the thoughts of ours we say they're about never getting up every weekend on d. w. the drones far away from the front lines and ukraine, increasingly striking crimea, and even moscow is the russian position becoming more vulnerable. our russian is getting tired. the main question, which is interesting because the rest of society, that is why so low one. so know where is a great selection lobby, which was described many times one of the best in the. well, andre felt off as a former deputy foreign minister of russia. he's my guest this week on conflicts own joining us from moscow. how much should the west be concerned about putting closing up with north korea is putting out of options, of course, that there is

a venture as a venture of the nuclear war on korean peninsula. and with more evidence of russian atrocities in ukraine who will be held accountable. andre fail door of welcome to conflicts out thank you. investigations by the you and have been documenting further evidence of russian war crimes and ukraine, including wilful killings. attacks on civilians, unlawful confinement, torture, rape force transferred, and this, the partitions of children. when you are on this program last year, you were asked if you were personally ashamed of what russian soldiers are doing to civilians in ukraine. you said that you didn't have a real picture of what was going on with the picture of brutality now becoming even clearer. are you ashamed as well? it's more, it's, well, it's a serious war. and of course, there are some cases we can be consider it as i remember that,

but it's was unfortunate say this will last so long. now it's $572.00 bags. and the problem is that this war is becoming more and more powerful. and uh, what is more important uh, that is clear understanding goes to both sides, the piece will last long, and that's why it's great additional providence. i mean that the us but mister dar. but what about, what about the ukranian children taken to russia? for example, i mean keith says it has identified almost 20000. russia has refused to provide information about the children or even work with a neutral intermediaries such as the red cross to register and repatriate them. are those children last forever? no, no them up the last, there is a request for great inside to identify the children. we choose a be a return to their parents, etc, etc. but of course,

it's still the question which needs most probably outside of the systems. because the direct concepts between the rough and ukraine and now on the 0 level. and so we have face and goal is appropriate for this. and of course, this question is important for russia because of the decision of the international criminal criminal clark. and we would like to clarify this things, but russia has a sort of thing where she has been blocking that outside assistance, mr for field off. and in fact, as it's doing so, it is also targeting or appearing to target civilians and ukraine, schools, markets residences. the united nation saying that those attacks have been indiscriminate and disproportionate. and in fact, after an official visit to ukraine this month, the you in special rep, a tour on torture, said that russia's armed aggression is becoming synonymous with torture and other in humane cruelty. thankful these grievous acts appear neither random nor

incidental, but rather orchestrated as part of a state policy to intimidate and still fear, punish, and extract information and concessions. who should be held accountable for these grievous acts? oh, this is a very hard question because uh, what is the problem today? the problem today is uh that, uh, the russian army is in defense position. russ allow me a cannot to stop its older offensive operation. and this was the point. the key point is to increase strikes on ukraine with messiahs, with drones, et cetera. and of course, says kind of strikes will damage both civilian and transport them for such a business and will cost additional. i guess this is

especially, i think it will be a reasonable in the coming couple of months because of the war is now turning the more into position war and strikes besides price will be in the main, the main element of the war. but we're talking here about accountability, accountability for what the un describes as a parent, disregard for civilian harm and suffering. what about accountability right at the top? what about putting there's an icy see investigation and arrest warrant for war crimes already issued, including for both putting and rushes. children's commissioner accusing them of personal responsibility for the abductions of children from ukraine. does anyone care? uh, is the rough uh, the french speaking. no one gets too much and then the rest is ignoring uh the warrant, binds and there's no criminal court. and though of course, we didn't swim to south africa to break something because of this war. and now that

doesn't make world about this warrens without a mania which will rectify rome, states. but inside russ um there is no such kind of feelings. advice is guilty. i'd like to come back to accountability, but at 1st let's talk a little bit about more about ukraine's counter offensive. the latest attacks in russian occupied crimea in the port of sylvester pole, appears to be the largest on the russians, lexi fleet bass, and the 1st known strike on a russian submarine in the conflict. ukraine is trying to cut off russian troops from supply lines. russian troops are becoming more vulnerable here, aren't they? oh, the question is really simple. what's going on there? i can tell you that the, the biggest problem for us today is that russia is in defense. and uh, this influence on many political decisions here as well as mister,

this is for us. the problem is that the ukraine is receiving a new effective weapons. and so festival moments show of there's some way in november, don't our smith's house will come through grade. i see no profits for this. this is from my personal for you on the way. then of course, uh this is uh, making a gramlin much more nervous because this drives uh, touching and left on the crimea, but the function of different parts of the roster into the must go drones. that that's a must go nearly every day. it must go most coverage in the labor day. so this is changing the nature. and the problem is the restaurant can also, so it's kind of a challenge not by offensive population on the ground, but only with the heavy. so if you have some pro telegram channels raising concerns

over the ukranian counter offensive describing a difficult situation at the front of successful attacks in crimea, there are below to russia in the past days. ukraine also saying that it has to be taken villages around box moot. how are these moves viewed inside washer? does the general public share of them at all? no general public here. but of course, official propaganda is very effective here, saying that everything is okay that there's no damage for us, etc, etc. reality is that uh, the main question which is existing because the rest of society today is why so low one. so know where is the great for us and rami, which was described many times, one of the best in the world. and of course uh if uh, officially, of course that is a position, then you create an offensive is a big failure. but i know also a point of view from my credit and colleagues was saying, no, yes,

we did 3 too much, but we stopped the russian army movie follow on the right, on the roster last initiative. so for your grade, it's the best, the, the bestest of the send out that next year. if, if russians are asking why so long, you know, what do they also think when they're hearing and seeing more drones strikes inside bush itself, including in moscow where there are reports of drones, frequently causing flight delays and even damage that must be unsettling to civilians isn't it of course uh is makes less than sealants. uh much more notice. uh 1st of all because of the goal and effect, including uh, effects and what's the most good reason that is nearly every day. the lights on the slides in the morning from all of the most cool app. lots. of course it's creates a problem. it's, it's, it's great. the question is declare great, great. so, so what questions concerning our ad defense, our monthly to solve defense,

and many people asking about uh, how will we, how we should think about specific it will be secure within the future. also one of the top questions which is still on the answer is the number of the losses are fresh. nami, in the region, in the, in the conflict and, and a minister of defense is keeping it as a be a secret. but when we look at the general philosophy, i mean president learners allows, he has describes the strikes as just and fair and a way to bring the war home to russia. does he have a point put and invaded his country in a war of choice? uh excuse to assist you. excuse me. i think she and the cost of for the rest of the citizens. fried, for example, against most go is in some cases much more important than to face of the problem

fly. yes, this is, this is a question. this is a question and the problem is the rough uh, officially is look, considering this the patient as a war against a crate for what it's called special needs to at the ration. this is a kind of funny story because of the special needs population which is which we are using, give them supersonic themselves. looks much more as a rule and uh, from this point of view, uh, some of the arguments uh, on the rest of the tv on the restroom, asked media that, uh, it's not the war. if you great, which is in war with lots of a compressor, is what officially the rest is. nothing was, was a great. let's talk a little bit more about the stifling of free speech and the sense because honestly, it has reported some 20000 people in russia have been the target of repressive laws to suppress the country's anti war movement. a sign of desperation from the kremlin,

concerned about the sense, especially with the elections approaching next year. i mean, because if they can't build support for the war, crushed assent. is that what this is a you all right? good, very well. a lot of legislative x that have been adopted in less. yeah. and i know, for example, in florida agents and plus i'd love to see what before was it was thought that uh, of course, uh, there are a lot of cases when people are with allowed to express their opinion against me directly with this. and this is what is the control over the mass media? this is what it's deeper than that, is that because i mean the united nations in a recent report just released this week describe the systemic crack down on civil society. there are these reports of a so called re awakening up to tell a terry and instincts in russian society with people in forming on each other like in the stall in era. the opposition, of course,

is silenced jail door and exile. what kind of russian society do you think emerges from this war? the 1st of all, i would like to say that political opposition to porton is simply taught this price . that has no political opposition to any more. and i don't think that they will be it's not possible this current situation concerning the coming presidential elections which might took place in march next year. i see, roberts, i see no problems. the problem is only federal law because as far as i know, some of my many people are saying that in this situation that they, they simply don't want to go and vote so that they can, they will not say the say again, support in oregon as well but they will just trying to express their point of view by no vote. but as i said, oh, i see absolutely no problems for booking to be there that, that spring next,

the eps up then no problem. let's talk a little bit more about opposition and i'd like to turn to wagner. boss is getting per goshen who was able to march a column of tanks within miles of moscow till about a dozen russian airmen. coal rushes, stated reasons for invading ukraine falls. he has the sort of coltish following, and it stopped support from both the public and inside the military. and then his plane falls out of the sky. do you think that was an accident? the best of it? i think that this was the next it then. i knew this man for many years. i bought the i would like to stress, that's what has happened is very interesting at your in case you guys of appearance. he never said that he wants to, to express then. uh, what was his quote and i spoke with the wrong with my offence from one that is to

change minutes is presence in ukraine to understand she wants to amuse recommends along the style. that's a new modem type of war. the war which is totally different from the images of the 2nd world war. and uh, and that's why he was accusing 1st of 4 minutes or come on to minutes of defense ahead of the general stop pass more capable to understand that is because of the model. and of course, we have some serious national conflicts. and with that number of people in russian, at least so personally, i don't think it was accidental because it was the fact that it has happened just 2 months. 62 months of the few statements, the state. so it is the expect people who think to believe that it was just a coincidence that months after staging the.