she wants to, to express them what the worst case call and that spoke with the wrong with my offence from one is to change, minutes is presence in ukraine to understand she wants to miss recommend to understand that it's a new modem type of war. the war which is totally different from the images of the 2nd world war and uh, and that's why he was abusing 1st of all, the minutes or come on to minutes of defense ahead of the general stuff as small capable to understand that is because of the model and of course we have some serious national conflicts and was the number of the people in russian at least. uh so uh, definitely i don't think it was accidental because it was the fact that it has happened just 2 months. 62 months of the few statements, the state. so it is, does the expect people you think to believe that it was just

a coincidence that months after staging that uprising he, he dropped out his plane dropped out of the sky. or is this really what putting wants them to believe exactly the opposite that put in order to stuff? and it's, as you will use it, as you can see, there was no, any kind of special reaction from cramming that's consulting services and that's all. and in my less and less media, this case is needed for work. now it comes with a sense of what, but it's not forgotten for the kremlin. is that because, i mean, they've given regional governors the authority now to establish paramilitary units, which could have a role not only in defending borders, but also attacks from insurgents and the kremlin groups or internal descent. it's just one of a number of restrictive steps from the kremlin that appears aimed at preventing another incident like promotions. wagner uprising is the kremlin, afraid that a figure similar to foreclosure, that might emerge? i don't think so because uh then why would it take those steps?

yeah. okay. uh, 1st of all, uh, gordon was effect. locksmith was effective, it was a real force. well agreed for us with that real specialist, will it? and what is more important? a lot of military not overly, but by the binds have been on the sides of the garden. so there was a link between big bosses and ministry. this link is not existing anymore with any other product to bag of our military units, etc, etc. so the main problem that the days was link between, but it was and part of the meat of 3 was also in cyprus, $5000.00 is called limited tri price is going go now itself existing. so it still can be then just for kremlin. uh, but uh, in the what it was that grades and that creating this as groups owned in the

regions like bell girls that separate them upgrading them in most going usually regions. no. let's talk a little bit more about russia's role in the world worlds because it just rolled out the red carpet for a week long visit with north korea's kim jong on. it's thought that came either has already or could demand technology that could improve the range of his missiles for nuclear weapons or russian satellite in submarine secrets. what does put in want? oh, is to say that it sharply. uh, with uh, was came, gives visits. i know those korea, but it goes for many, many years. uh, in the face of the game. uh, she is receiving a very good constant troublemaker. well, the, the, so the west mainly for united states for japan, which can be useful, very, very useful. and your last important policy, but generally uh,

my location is that, uh for many, many years uh, put in as a base in case policy on the, on the understanding is that the wolf should fall. oh, he's rules. but that's what it's less than what the world is concerned about, what the world is concerned about though we have to bring it back to that is, is that there might be an arms deal that comes out of this. russia has gone out of its way to publicize kim's visit dropping repeated hints about the prospect of military cooperation with north korea. for example, russia's defense minister showing who told russian media that moscow is discussing joints and military exercises with north korea. yes, it does not have better cards to play right now than further closing up with a global parias state but to it on in some areas, this is quite effective. uh nuclear. uh, 1st of all, most gloria is

a nuclear states that have nuclear weapons of color, legal, nuclear weapons. it's an illegal program. yes. but, but i've been many times in those korea, so i know it. uh so uh, concerning uh, mr. exercise this. yes, i am sure the lexia will have fran gomez for exercises rustic try and then of career. it's a new blog and you kind before the onset, which is now full. and of course, it's a, 1st of all, it's not against you, but it says, it says it's a little fresh on japan and united states. it's all this soviet, but russia has previously supported international sanctions against north korea, 4th unlawful nuclear weapons program. do i hear you correctly? are you saying that that does not mean anything to russia anymore? yes, you're correct, russell. forget about this. isn't this a dangerous game that putting this play?

it's a, it's a you're talking good. talking about the, the d. stabilisation of, of the nuclear balance in asia and beyond the yes that was released because uh again the currently there i knew his father, i knew his grandfather came, is in such a way he's, i'm predictable, but at the same time, no rush. i have some pools boyfriend, some kids of course the that is adventure as a venture of the nuclear war on korean peninsula. so it's, it's rarely, it's rare to see which is, which was rarity as well for last year as well. so i know it's also thought that an armed seal between russia and north korea could backfire south korea has a big stock pile of more advanced weapons. it might be convinced to give them directly to ukraine rather than just back filling us weapons. being given to keep, it hasn't given to you've arm so far out of fear that it could prompt moscow to aid

p on gang. is that even any part of the calculus from moscow? oh, okay, i'm so from uh, from uh, south korea is already going to ukraine wyatt conference. it's not the secret, of course of the 10. so we'll go, that's essentially a roll and i know many people in south korea one now saying that, you know, south korea, so it's kind of, it's all nuclear weapons as it come from balance. yes, it's raising, it's raising cents. it's raising cents. but it's a big game, it's a big game, a set. it's a game which is, which would be a little bit separated from ukraine case. it's a big game in the a specific region. and that's, that's the main thing is about and not to say, what is pollutants and game? what does this ends game more broadly speaking, and also specifically in ukraine? because if we just look at the figures, i mean the un estimates that since the invasion began in february last year,

nearly $30000.00 civilians having killed thousands of russian soldiers. what can he still hope to achieve? he hopes to accuse me to go out old. uh it depends on what we can call the the 31st of all when it comes to the g. uh, mr. v 3 is nearly impossible. uh, so it says this is a so the rest of the, the 10th, just press the d. n to turn into a total must of strikes all over the grade. this don't ever think what this, what is existing. but of course, this will lead immediately to the much more isolation process and much more appropriate for what asked and citizens for i called them, et cetera, et cetera. and that's why that is still a hope in moscow, is that

a ukraine will not be capable to uh, the last long in this war. rest of course has much more reserves. but uh, my personal point of view, we are now facing a very clear based on that uh that, uh that, uh the wall will done in to serve. yes, definitely. you know, put in for many years. do you see anything that could bring him to the negotiating table? what could bring russia to the negotiating table at this stage? absolutely can look up. what is the person who will have it on the back. if you decide that to do something, he will go to them for him and its position of many aspects in russia. negotiations isn't the with what you just said in mind, there are many who are predicting that the russian federation will ultimately collapse because of putin's war and ukraine. you served as deputy foreign minister

in the early ninety's. you've witnessed 1st hands the collapse of the soviet union . do you share that view? is russia no. heading out loud? no rush isn't okay. didn't collapse rusty's heading thoughts. you problems and problems. but um, you should on the fence one think a lot of the russian nation is very much consolidated because they see food in the as a personal jose restaurant from possible way to glass from it that from your credit and etc, etc. and this is in the minds of people and put people, a lot of people made a man and people believe and 14 believe important as assessment will save russia from the aggressive west for the rest of natal, etc, etc. and this will work, this will work for coming elections, etc, etc. we have to leave in there. we have to leave it there. andre failed off out.

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