it will then progress as tough calls to everyone who wants to know more about this topic. that concerned about this story is beyond the headline world in progress. the w cost cost the drones far away from the front lines and ukraine, increasingly striking crimea. and even moscow is the russian position, becoming more vulnerable. are russians getting tired? the main question, which is interesting because the rest of society today is why so low one. so know where it's a great selection lobby, which was described many times, one of the best in the. well, andre felt off as a former deputy foreign minister of russia. he's my guest this week on conflicts own joining us from moscow. how much should the west be concerned about putting, closing up with north korea is putting out of options. of course, the that is

a venture as a venture the nuclear war on korean peninsula, and with more evidence of russian atrocities in ukraine who will be held accountable. andre fail door of welcome to conflicts out thank you. investigations by the you and have been documenting further evidence of russian war crimes and ukraine, including wilful killings, attacks on civilians, unlawful confinement, torture, rape force transferred, and dis, the port ations of children. when you were on this program last year, you were asked if you were personally ashamed of what russian soldiers are doing to civilians and ukraine. you said that you didn't have a real picture of what was going on with the picture of brutality. now becoming even clear, are you ashamed as well? it's more, it's, well, it's a serious war. and of course, there are some cases which can be considered as i remember that. but it's was

unfortunate say this will allow us to, to long now it's $572.00 bags. and the problem is that this war is becoming more and more powerful. and uh, what is more important, that is clear understanding going to both sides the piece will last long, and that's why it's great additional problems. i mean, but the us but mr. dar, but what about, what about the ukranian children taken to russia for example. i mean, keith says it has identified almost 20000. russia has refused to provide information about the children or even work with a neutral intermediaries such as the red cross to register and repatriate them. are those children last forever? no, no them up. last, there is a request for grant inside to identify the children we choose a be a return to the parents, etc, etc. but of course,

it's still the question which needs most probably outside of the assistance, because the direct concepts between russia and ukraine and now on the 0 level. and so we have face and goal is appropriate for this. and of course, this question is important for us because of the decision of the international criminal criminal court. and we would like to clarify this things, but russia has a sort of thing where she has been blocking that outside assistance, mr for field off. and in fact, as it's doing so, it is also targeting or appearing to target civilians and ukraine, schools, markets residences, the united nation saying that those attacks have been indiscriminate and disproportionate. and in fact, after an official visit to ukraine this month, the you in special rep, a tour on torture, said that russia's armed aggression is becoming synonymous with torture and other in humane cruelty st. quote. these grievous acts appear neither random nor

incidental, but rather orchestrated as part of a state policy to intimidate and still fear, punish, and extract information and concessions. who should be held accountable for these grievous acts. oh, this is a very hot question because uh, what is appropriate today. the problem today is uh that, uh, the russian army is in defense position. russ allow me a cannot to stop its older offensive operation. and this was the point. the key point is to increase strikes on ukraine with messiahs, with drones, et cetera. and of course, such kinds of strikes will damage both civilian and fast, but the infrastructure of business and will cost additional uh, casualties. especially,

i think it will be visible in the coming couple of months because of the war is now turning the more into position war and strikes besides price will be in the main, the main element of the war. but we're talking here about accountability, accountability for what the un describes as a parent, disregard for civilian harm and suffering. what does that account ability right at the top? what about putting there's an icy see investigation and rest warrant for war crimes already issued, including for both putting and rushes. children's commissioner accusing them of personal responsibility for the abductions of children from ukraine. does anyone care? uh, is the rough uh, the french speaking. no one gets too much and then the rest is ignoring uh the warrant, binds and there's no criminal court. and though of course, we can didn't swim to south africa to break some is because of this war. and i know

that as a big quarrel about this warrens without a mania which will rectify rome, states of but uh inside the us. um, there is no such kind of feelings. advice is guilty. i'd like to come back to accountability, but 1st, let's talk a little bit about more about ukraine's counter offensive. the latest attacks in russian occupied crimea in the port of sylvester pole, appears to be the largest on the russians. lexi fleet to base and the 1st known strike on a russian submarine in the conflict. ukraine is trying to cut off russian troops from supply lines. russian troops are becoming more vulnerable here, aren't they? oh, the question is really simple. what's going on there? i can tell you that the, the biggest problem for russia today is that russia isn't defense. and uh, this influence on many political decisions here as well as mr. this is for us. the

problem is that the ukraine is receiving a new effective weapons. and so best of them will ensue of that some way in november. don't our smith's house will come through grade. i see no profits for this. this is from my personal for you on the way. then of course, this is uh, making a kremlin much more nervous because this writes uh, touching up on the crime. yeah. but the function of different parts of the roster included must go drones. that that's a must go nearly every day. it must go more storage in the labor day. so this is changing the nature. and the problem is the restaurant can also, so it's kind of a challenge not by offensive preparation on the ground, but only with the heavy. so if you have some pro telegram channels raising concerns

over the ukranian counter offensive describing a difficult situation at the front of successful attacks in crimea, there are below to russia in the past days. ukraine also saying that it has to be taken villages around box moot. how are these moves viewed inside washer? does the general public share of them at all? no general public here. but of course, official propaganda is very effective here, saying that everything is okay that there's no damage for us, etc, etc. reality is that uh, the main question which is existing because the rest of society today is why so low? what so know where is the great for us and rami, which was described many times, one of the best in the world. and of course, uh if uh, officially, of course that is a position, then you create an offensive is a big favor. but i know also a point of view from my credit and colleagues was saying, no, yes,

we need to reach too much, but we stopped. uh, russian army movies follow on the right of the rush to last and you should be. so what you claim, it's the best, the, the bestest of the send out that next year. if, if the russians are asking why so long. you know, what do they also think when they're hearing and seeing more drones strikes inside russia itself, including in moscow where there are reports of drones, frequently causing flight delays and even damage that must be unsettling to civilians? isn't it? as of course uh is makes less than sealants, uh much more than others. uh, 1st of all because of the goal and effect, including uh, effects and what's the most good reason that is nearly every day. the lights on the slides in the morning from all of the most cool app. lots. of course it's great. it's a problem. it's, it's, it's great. the question is a glare. great, great. so, so what questions concerning our ad defends,

our minds seem to solve defense and many people asking about, uh uh, how will we, how we should think about specific it will be a secure within the future. also one of the top questions which is still on the answer is a number of the losses of fresh nami in the region. in the, in the conflict and the minister of defense is keeping it as a be a secret. but when we look at the general philosophy, i mean president learners allows, he has described the strikes as just and fair and a way to bring the war home to russia. does he have a point putting, invaded his country in a war of choice? uh, excuse to assist you, excuse surface you and the cost of for the rest of the citizens. fried, for example, against most go is in some cases much more important density based on the prompt

side. yes, this is, this is a question. this is a question. and the problem is that russia officially is look, considering this, it placement as a war against a crazy form of it's called special be. so at the ration, this is a kind of funny story because of the special needs population, which is which we are using. give them supersonic themselves. looks much more as a rule. and uh, from this point of view, uh, some of the arguments on the rest of the tv on the roster mass media that uh, it's not the war. if you great, which is in war with lots of a compressor is what officially the ross is nothing. what was the great, let's talk a little bit more about the stifling a free speech and the sense because honestly it has reported some 20000 people in russia have been the target of repressive laws to suppress the country's anti war movement. a sign of desperation from the kremlin, concerned about the sense,

especially with the elections approaching next year. i mean, because if they can't build support for the war, crushed assent. is that what this is your right the? well, a lot of legislative x that have been adopted in the last year. and i know, for example in florida agents and plus, i'd love to see before the war started. uh, of course, uh, there are a lot of cases when uh, people on the allowed to express the opinion against me directly with this. and this is where it is to control over the mass media. this is what it's deeper than that is that because i mean the united nations in a recent report just released this week describe the systemic crack down on civil society. there are these reports of a so called re awakening of totalitarian instincts and russian society with people in forming on each other like in the stall in era. the opposition,

of course is silenced jail during the exile. what kind of russian society do you think emerges from this for the 1st of all, i would like to say that political opposition to 14 is simply thought this price that has no political, a position for any more. and i don't think that that will be it's not possible in this current situation concerning the coming presidential elections, which might took place in march next year. uh, i see properties. i see no problems. the problem is only to know because as far as i know, some what many people are saying that in this situation that they, they simply don't want to go and vote so that they can, they will not say the say again, support in oregon as well. but they will just fine to express their point of view of buying a lot. uh, but as i said, oh i see absolutely no problems for booking to be there that's in the spring next,

the absent then. okay. let's talk a little bit more about opposition and i'd like to turn to wagner boss if get any provision who was able to march a column of tanks within miles of moscow till about a dozen russian airmen. coal rushes, stated reasons for invading ukraine, falls. he has the sort of coltish following, and it's thought support from both the public and inside the military. and then his plane falls out of the sky. do you think that was an accident? the this, the, i think that this was the next to them. and use this man for many years. i bought the i would like to stress, that's what has happened is very interesting at your in keys, the guys of appearance. he never said that he wants to, to express them. uh, what was his quote and that spoke with the wrong with my offence from one is to

change, minutes is presence in ukraine to understand she wanted me to recommence, along the span, that's a new modem type of war. the war which is totally different from the images of the 2nd world war. and uh, and that's why he was accusing 1st of all the minutes or come on to minutes of defense ahead of the general stuff as small capable to understand that is because of the model. and of course, we have some serious national conflicts with the number of the people in russian, at least. so personally, i don't think it was accidental because even the fact that it has happened just 2 months, 62 months of the statements, the state. so it is the expect people who think to believe that it was just a coincidence that months after staging that uprising he, he dropped out,

his plane dropped out of the sky. or is this really what putting wants them to believe exactly the opposite that put in order to assess? and it's as you easy it is, you can see there was no any kind of special reaction from craven that's consulting services, and that's all. and in my less and less media, this case is nearly forgot to now. and it comes with a sense of what. but it's not forgotten for the kremlin, as i think, as i mean, they've given regional governors the authority now to establish paramilitary units, which could have a role not only in defending borders, but also attacks from insurgents and the kremlin groups or internal descent. it's just one of a number of restrictive steps from the kremlin that appears aimed at preventing another incident like from ocean's wagner uprising is the kremlin, afraid that a figure similar to foreclosure, that might emerge? i don't think so because then why would it take those steps? uh huh. yeah. okay. so 1st of all, uh,

gordon was effect. locksmith was effective, it was a real force. well, it could be for us with that real specialist with it. and what is more important, a lot of military not overly but by the binds have been on the sides of the garden. so there was a link between big bosses and ministry. this link is not existing anymore with any other part of the military units, etc, etc. so the main problem that the days was link between the goals and both of the media 3 was also in cyprus, $5000.00 is called limited tri price is going go now itself existing. so it still can be then just for kremlin. uh, but uh, in the what it was that grades and that creating this as groups old in the regions

like bell girls that separate them upgrading them in most going usually regions. no . let's talk a little bit more about russia's role in the world worlds because it just rolled out the red carpet for a week long visit with north korea's kim jong on it's stuff that came either has already or could demand technology that could improve the range of his missiles for nuclear weapons or russian satellite in submarine secrets. what does put in want of is to say that is sharply. uh, with uh, was kim gibbs visits. i know those korea very good for many, many years. uh, in the face of the game. uh, she is receiving a very good constance, troublemaker, the, the west made it before united states for japan which can be useful very, very useful in the russian foreign policy. but generally, uh, my able nation, is that a or so many, many years to do is

a base increase policy on the, on the understanding is that the wolf should fall, although he's rude. but what, what is this, what the world is concerned about, what the world is concerned about though we have to bring it back to that is, is that there might be an arms deal that comes out of this. russia has gone out of its way to publicize kim's visit dropping repeated hints about the prospect of military cooperation with north korea. for example, russia's defense minister showing who told russian media that moscow is discussing joint and military exercises with north korea. yes, it does not have better cards to play right now than further cozying up with a global parias state. but to it, in some areas, this is quite effective. uh nuclear. uh, 1st of all, i'm not going to be a is a nuclear states that have nuclear weapons of color, legal,

nuclear weapons. it's an illegal program. yes. but, but i've been many times in those korea, so i know it. uh so uh, concerning uh mr. exercises. yes. i am sure the lexia will have fran gomez for exercises rustic try and then of career. it's a new blog and you kind before the onset, which is now full. and of course, it's a, 1st of all, it's not against you, but it says that it's a little fresh on japan and united states. it's all this soviet, but russia has previously supported international sanctions against north korea, for its unlawful nuclear weapons program. do i hear you correctly? are you saying that that does not mean anything to russia anymore? yes, you're correct, russell. forget about this. isn't this a dangerous game that putting this play? it's a, it's a, you're talking good. talking about the destabilization of of the nuclear balance in

asia and beyond the yes, that was the least because i came the currently that i knew his father. i use his grandfather came in. so some way he's a, i'm predictable, but at the same time, no rush, i have some fools winfrey and some kids. of course the that is adventure as angel, this nuclear war on korean peninsula. so it's, it's really, it's rare to see which is, which was rarity as well for last year as well. so i know it's also thought that an arm c o, between russia and north korea could backfire south korea has a big stock pile of more advanced weapons. it might be convinced to give them directly to ukraine rather than just back filling us weapons. being given to keep, it hasn't given t of arms so far out of fear that it could prompt moscow to aid p on gay. is that

even any part of the calculus from moscow? oh, okay, i'm so from uh, from uh, south korea is already going. so ukraine wyatt. countries. it's not the secret of cost of $10.00. so we'll go, that's essential. monroe, and i know many people in south korea, juan now saying that, you know, it's all school issues have its own nuclear weapons as it come from balance. yes, it's raising, it's raising cents. it's raise incense, but it's a big game. it's a big game, a set. it's a game which is, which would be a little bit separate just from ukraine case. it's a big game and a specific region. and that's, that's the main thing is about and not the se, what is pollutants and game? what does this ends game more broadly speaking, and also specifically in ukraine? because if we just look at the figures, i mean, the un estimates that since the invasion began in february last year, nearly $30000.00 civilians having killed thousands of russian soldiers. what can he

still hope to achieve? he hopes to accuse me 33. can you throw out old? uh, it depends on what we can call the the 31st of all when it comes to the g. uh, mr. v 3, it is nearly impossible. uh so it says this is jason russell needs the 10th, just press the d. n to turn into a total must of strikes all over the grade. this don't ever think what this, what is existing. but of course, this will leave immediately the much more as the leasing process, and much more appropriate for what asked and citizens for economy, etc, etc. that's why that is still a hope in moscow is that a ukraine will not be capable to uh, the last long in this war. rush of course, has much more reserves. but uh,

my personal point of view, we are now facing a very clear based on that uh that, uh that, uh, the wall will done in to serve. yes, definitely. you know, put in for many years. do you see anything that could bring him to the negotiating table? what could bring russia to the negotiating table at this stage? absolutely can look up what it is, a person who will have it on the back. if you decided to do something, he will go to them for him and its position of many aspects in russia. negotiations isn't the with what you just said in mind, there are many who are predicting that the russian federation will ultimately collapse because of putin's war and ukraine. you served as deputy foreign minister in the early ninety's. you've witnessed 1st hands the collapse of the soviet union

. do you share that view? is russia no. collab would? no russians. okay. didn't full collapse. russ's heading thoughts. you problems and problems. but um, you should on the fence one think a lot of the russian nation is very much consolidated because they see foot in the as a personal saved restaurant from possible mates all glass and from it that from your credit and etc, etc. and this is in the minds of people and the people, a lot of people met a man and people believe and 14 believe important as best off will save russia from the aggressive west for the rest of nato, etc, etc. and this will work, this will work for coming, the lessons that we have to leave in there. we have to leave it there. andre failed off out. thank you so much for joining us on conflicts and we appreciate your time . thanks. thanks. i wish you well the

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