the in 60 minutes on d w, we said there was never giving up every weekend on dw drones far away from the front lines and ukraine, increasingly striking crimea. and even moscow is the russian position, becoming more vulnerable. a russian is getting tired. the main question which is existing because the rest of society, that is why so low. why so know where it's a great start from nami, which was described many times one of the best and the well. andre felt off as a former deputy foreign minister of russia. he's my guest this week on complex own . joining us from moscow. how much should the west be concerned about putting

closing up with north korea is putting out of options. of course, that is a venture as a venture of the nuclear war on korean peninsula, and with more evidence of russian atrocities in ukraine who will be held accountable. andre fail daughter of welcome to complex out. thank you. investigations by the you and have been documenting further evidence of russian war crimes and ukraine, including willful killings, attacks on civilians, unlawful confinement, torture, rape force transferred, and dis, the protections of children. when you are on this program last year, you were asked if you were personally ashamed of what russian soldiers are doing to civilians in ukraine. you said that you didn't have a real picture of what was going on with the picture of brutality. now becoming even clearer, are you ashamed as well, it's more as well. it's

a serious war. and of course, there are some cases which can be considered as i remember that, but it's war. unfortunately, this will last so long. now it's $572.00 bags. and the problem is that this war is becoming more and more powerful. and uh, what is more important. uh, that is clear understanding goes to both sides, the piece will last long, and that's why it's great additional problems. i mean, that's the us. but mister dorval's, what about, what about the ukranian children taken to russia? for example. i mean, keith says it has identified almost 20000. russia has refused to provide information about the children or even worked with a neutral intermediaries such as the red cross to register and repatriate them. are those children last forever? no, no them up. the last, there is a request for grant inside to identify the children we choose a be

a return to their parents, etc, etc. mazda, of course, it's still the question which needs most probably outside of the assistance, because the direct contacts between russia and ukraine. and now on the 0 level, and so we have face and goal is appropriate for this. and of course, this question is important for russia because of the decision of the international criminal criminal clark. and we would like to clarify this things, but russia has a sort of thing where she has been blocking that outside assistance. mister for sale got off. and in fact, as it's doing so, it is also targeting or appearing to target civilians and ukraine. schools, markets residences, uh the united nation, saying that those attacks have been indiscriminate and disproportionate. and in fact, after an official visit to ukraine this month, the un special rep, a tour on torture, said that russia's armed aggression is becoming synonymous with torture and other

in humane cruelty st. quote. these grievous acts appear neither random nor incidental, but rather orchestrated as part of a state policy to intimidate and still fear, punish, and extract information and concessions. who should be held accountable for these grievous acts. oh, this is a very hard question because uh, what is appropriate today. the problem today is uh that, uh, the russian army is in defense position. russ allow me a cannot to stop its own expensive operation. and this was the point. the key point is to increase strikes on ukraine with messiahs, with drones, et cetera. and of course, such kind of strikes will damage both civilian and transport them for such a business and will cost additional. i guess this is

especially, i think it will be reasonable in the coming couple of months because of the war is now turning the more into position war. and the strikes besides price will be in the main, the main element of the war. but we're talking here about accountability, accountability for what the un describes as a parent, disregard for civilian harm and suffering. what does that account ability right at the top? what about putting there's an icy see investigation and rest warrant for war crimes already issued, including for both putting and rushes. children's commissioner accusing them of personal responsibility for the abductions of children from ukraine. does anyone care? uh, is the russia offensive speaking? no one gets too much and then the rest is ignoring uh the warrant, binds, and there's no criminal court. and though, of course,

we can didn't swim to sell software. good for rick summit because of this war. and i know that as a big quarrel about this warrants without a man, yet we to rectify rome states. but inside russ um there is no such kind of feelings. advice is guilty. i'd like to come back to accountability. but 1st, let's talk a little bit about more about ukraine's counter offensive. the latest attacks in russian occupied crimea in the port of sylvester pole, appears to be the largest on the russians, lexi fleet, to base, and the 1st known strike on a russian submarine in the conflict. ukraine is trying to cut off russian troops from supply lines. russian troops are becoming more vulnerable here, aren't they? oh, the question is really simple. what's going on there? i can tell you that the, the biggest problem for russian today is that russia is in defense. and

uh, this implants on many political decisions here, as well as missing for us. the problem is that the ukraine is receiving a new effective weapons. and so best of them will ensue of the some way in november . don't our smith's house will come through grade. i see no profits for this. this is from my assessment for you on the way. then of course uh this is uh making a criminal much more nervous because this strikes, touching not the only crime. yeah. but the function of different parts of the roster intrusion must go drones that that's a must go nearly every day i, i must go most coverage in the labor day. so this is changing the nature and the problem is the restaurant can also, so it's kind of a challenge not by offensive operations the ground, but only with the heavy. so if you have some pro telegram channels raising concerns

over the ukranian counter offensive describing a difficult situation at the front of successful attacks in crimea, there are below to russia in the past days. ukraine also saying that it has to be taken villages around block moved. how are these moves viewed inside, rush it as a general public share of them at all? no general public here, but of course, official provide them these very effective here. saying that everything is okay, that there's no damage for us, etc, etc. reality is that uh, the main question which is existing cuz the rest of society today is why so low. why? so know where is the great for us? and i mean, which was described many times one of the best in the world. and of course, uh if uh, officially, of course that is a position, then you create an offensive. it'd be crazy. but i know also

a point of view from my credit and colleagues was saying, no, yes, we need to reach too much, but we stopped. uh, russian army movies. follow on the right. on the right, you lost and you should do. so for your grade, it's the best, the, the bestest on the send out that next year. if, if the russians are asking why so long. you know, what do they also think when they're hearing and seeing more drones strikes inside rush itself, including in moscow where there are reports of drones, frequently causing flight delays and even damage that must be unsettling to civilians, isn't it? or of course uh is makes it less than c williams. uh much more notice. uh 1st of all because of the goal and effect, including uh, effects and what's the most good reason? there is nearly every day delays on the flights in the morning from all of the most cool airports. as of course, it's great. it's a problem. it's, it's,

it's great. the question is declare great, great. so, so of questions concerning our ad defense, our monthly be solved, defense and many people asking about uh, how will we, how we should think about pacific it would be a secure within the future. also one of the top questions which is still on the answer is a number of the losses of fresh nami in the region in the, in the conflict and then a minister of defense is keeping it as a be a secret. but when we look at the general philosophy, i mean president followed him, or zaleski, has describes the strikes as just and fair in a way to bring the war home to russia. does he have a point putting, invaded his country and a war of choice? uh, excuse to assist you excuse to assist you and the cost of for the rest of the citizens . right. for example,

against moscow is in some case much more important than to place on the prompt side . yes, this is, this is a question. this is a question and the problem is that russia officially is look, considering this situation as a war against a crate for monday. it's called special be so at the ration of this is a kind of funny story because a specimen separation which is which we are using, give them to, but sonic yourselves looks much more as a rule and uh, from this point of view, uh, some of the arguments on the rest of the tv on the roster mass media that uh, it's not the war. if you great, which is in war with lots of a compressor is what officially the rest is. nothing was, was a great. let's talk a little bit more about the stifling of free speech and the sense because obviously it has reported some 20000 people in russia have been the target of repressive laws

to suppress the country's anti war movement. a sign of desperation from the kremlin concerned about the ascent, especially with elections approaching next year. i mean, because if they can't build support for the war, crushed assent. is that what this is a you all right? good, very well. a lot of legislative x has been adopted in less. yeah. and i know, for example, in florida agents and plus i'd love to see what before was it was thought that uh, of course, uh, there are a lot of cases when uh, people on the allowed to express their opinion against me directly with this. and this is what is the control over the mass media? this is what it's deeper than that, is that because i mean the united nations in a recent report just released this week describe the systemic crack down on civil society. there are these reports of a so called re awakening up to tell a terry and instincts in russian society with people in forming on each other like

in the stall in era. the opposition, of course, is silenced jail door and exile. what kind of russian society do you think emerges from this war? the 1st of all, i would like to say that political opposition to portion is simply thought this price. that is no political position for any more. and i don't think that that will be it's not possible in this current situation or concerning the coming presidential elections, which might took place in march next year. uh, i see properties. i see no problems. the problem is only federal. uh, because as far as i know, some of like many people are saying that in this situation that they, they simply don't want to go and vote so that they can, they will not say the say again, support in oregon as well. but they will just trying to express their point of view

of buying on vote. but as i said, oh, i see absolutely no problems for pointing to be that that spring next, the absolutely no problem. let's talk a little bit more about opposition and i'd like to turn to wagner boss if any provision who is able to march a column of tanks within miles of moscow till about a dozen russian airmen, coal rushes, stated reasons for invading ukraine of false. he has the sort of coltish following, and it's thought support from both the public and inside the military. and then his plane falls out of the sky. do you think that was an accident? as the best of the i think that this was the next to them and use this man for many years. i bought the i would like to stress, that's what has happened is very interesting at your in case you guys of appearance. he never said that he wants to to express then

what was his quote and that spoke with the wrong with my offence from one is to change, minutes is present in ukraine to understand she wants to elements recommend along the spanish. that's a new modem type of war. the war which is totally different from the images of the 2nd world war. and uh, and that's why he was accusing 1st of all, uh, minutes or come on to minutes of defense ahead of the general stuff as small capable to understand that because of the model. and of course, we have some serious personal conflicts and was the number of people in russian at least. uh so uh, personally, i don't think it was accidental because it was the fact that it has happened just 2 months. strictly 2 months of the few statements, the state. so it is, does the expect people who think to believe that it was just

a coincidence that months after staging that uprising he, he dropped out his plane dropped out of the sky. or is this really what putting wants them to believe exactly the opposite, that putting the order to stuff. and it's as you easier, as you can see, there was no, any kind of special reaction from kremlin. that's consulting services and that's all. and in my less and less media, this case is needed for work. now it comes with a sense of what, but it's not forgotten for the kremlin is that because they mean they've given regional governors the authority now to establish paramilitary units, which could have a role not only in defending borders, but also attacks from insurgents and the kremlin groups or internal descent, it's just one of a number of restrictive steps from the kremlin that appears aimed at preventing another incident like promotions. wagner uprising is the kremlin, afraid that a figure similar to foreclosure, that might emerge? i don't think so because uh then why would it take those steps?

yeah. okay. so 1st of all, gordon was effect. locksmith was effective, it was a real force. will agree force with that real specialist, will that and what is more important? a lot of military not overly, but by the binds have been on the sides of the garden. so there was a link between big bosses and ministry, or this link is not existing anymore with any other product. so the bottom is for units, etc, etc. so the main problem that's, that days was link between, but it was a and part of the meeting 3 was also an insight as 5 calls to me is called administered. price is going go now itself existing. so itself, it'd be then just for kremlin. uh, but uh, in the what it was that great. and that creating this as groups owned in the

regions like belle grove, etc, them upgrading them in most going usually regions. no. let's talk a little bit more about russia's role in the world worlds because it just rolled out the red carpet for a week long visit with north korea's kim jong on it's stuff that came either has already or could demand technology that could improve the range of his missiles for nuclear weapons or russian satellite in submarine secrets. what does prudent want is to say that it sharply uh was, uh, was, can, gives visits. i know those korea very good for many, many years. up in the face of the game. he's receiving a very good constant troublemaker. well, the, the, to the west made it before united states for japan, which can be useful very, very useful in the last and foreign policy. but generally, a viable nation,

is that a so many, many years to do is a base increase policy on the, on the understanding is that the world should fall. oh, he's rude, but that's what it's less than what the world is concerned about. what the world was concerned about, though we have to bring it back to that is, is that there might be an arms deal that comes out of this. russia has gone out of its way to publicize kim's visit dropping repeated hints about the prospect of military cooperation. with north korea, for example, russia's defense minister showing who told russian media that moscow is discussing joints and military exercises with north korea. yes, it does not have better cards to play right now than further closing up with a global pariah state. but to it on in some areas this is quite effective. uh nuclear. uh, 1st of all, most gloria is

a nuclear states that have nuclear weapons of color, legal, nuclear weapons. it's an illegal program. yes. but, but i've been many times in those korea, so i know it. uh so uh concerning is mr. exercises. yes, i am sure. the lexia will have fran gomez for exercises rustic, try and then of career. it's a new blog and you kind before the onset, which is now full. and of course, it's a 1st of all, it's not against you. but it says, it says it's a little fresh on japan and united states. it's all this soviet but russia has previously supported international sanctions against north korea, 4th unlawful nuclear weapons program. do i hear you correctly? are you saying that that does not mean anything to russia anymore? yes, you're correct, russell. forget about this. isn't this a dangerous game that putting display?

it's a, it's a you're talking good. talking about the destabilization of of the nuclear balance in asia and beyond. the yes. that was the least because i came the currently that i knew his father. i use his grandfather came in so some way he's i'm predictable, but at the same time, no rush, i have some tools going thing. some can of course the that is event as a venture of the nuclear war on korean peninsula. so it's, it's really, it's rare to see which is, which was a rarity as well, or for lucky as well. so i know it's also thought that an arm c o, between russia and north korea could backfire south korea has a big stock pile of more advanced weapons. it might be convinced to give them directly to ukraine rather than just back filling us weapons. being given to keep, it hasn't given to you of arms so far out of fear that it could prompt moscow to

aid p on gang. is that even any part of the calculus from moscow? oh okay, i'm so from uh from uh, south korea is already going to your grade wyatt countries. it's not the secret, of course of the 10. so we'll go, that's essentially a roll, and i know many people in south korea one now saying that in a south korea. so it's kind of, it's all nuclear weapons as it come from balance. yes, it's raising, it's raising cents. it's raising cents. but it's a big, it's a big game, a set. it's a game which is, which would be a little bit separated from ukraine. case. it's a big game in the a specific region. and that's, that's the main thing is japan and not the se, what is pollutants and game? what does this ends game more broadly speaking, and also specifically in ukraine? because if we just look at the figures, i mean the un estimates that since the invasion began in february last year,

nearly $30000.00 civilians having killed thousands of russian soldiers. what can he still hope to achieve? he hopes to 2 minutes when 3 can you go out full? uh, it depends on what we can call the the 31st of all when it comes to the g. uh, mr. v 3, it is nearly impossible. uh to change this is a so ross that needs to change his presidency and to turn into a total most of the bikes all over the grade. this don't ever think what this, what does existing. but of course, this will lead immediately to the much more isolation pressure and much more appropriate for us and citizens for i called them at assessor assessor. that's why that is still a whole with most cool is that a ukraine will not be capable to uh,

the last long in this war. rest of course has much more reserves. but of my personal point of view, we are now facing a very clear surveys and that, uh that, uh, that, uh, the wall will done info serve. yes, definitely. you know, put in for many years. do you see anything that could bring him to the negotiating table? what could bring russia to the negotiating table at this stage? absolutely can look up. what is the person who will have it on the back. if you decide that to do something, he will go to them for him and its position of many aspects in russia. negotiations isn't the with what you just said in mind, there are many who are predicting that the russian federation will ultimately collapse because of putin's war and ukraine. you served as deputy foreign minister

in the early ninety's you've witnessed 1st hands the collapse of the soviet union. do you share that view? is russia know how the loud no rush is not paid in full collapse. ross is heading, thoughts, you problems and problems. but um, you should on the fence one think a lot of the russian nation is very much consolidated because they see put in the as a person who saved restaurant from possible way to glass and from it that from your credit and etc, etc. and this is in the minds of people and people, a lot of people met a man and people believe and 14 believe important as assessment will save russia from the aggressive west for the rest of natal, etc, etc. and this will work, this will work for coming elections, etc, etc. we have to leave it there. we have to leave it there. andre failed off out.

thank you so much for joining us on conflicts and we appreciate your time. thanks. thanks. i wish you well the

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