so far in a race against time, they are peers and rivals with one daring gold to help smart nature. the more likes watching on youtube dw documentary, the this week on the 77 percent street debate that come less of people. what, what do you need to do as a result of the white guided? so you want some more for sizes from the gem i missed. the point to each of the active is, doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of, and you kind of do, john, you've invested in proxy, going by the rule. that is why i have no business turning to the mode of active design which spend they don't owe you. people want to see how much my brother i am talking about the work that made my mother have to be made. my brother, perhaps

a few, we don't find me nice. nigeria has different lives. i've been changed that well that's not changed. then my name is not bruno. hello and welcome back to the 77 percent street debate this week. we anybody in africa nor on the streets? we're home to the global medial floor. i'm one of the leading medium firms globally . thank you. it's no secret to those of you who live in africa. the media space is usually either not 3 or independent. and for that reason, some generally a forced to do a work that they did not sign up for activities. so today we're going to ask, where is that line? he says he's wanting to ask because between journalism and activism, and today i have a call just found out here with me look at those applicant kind of on us. let's start with you. what is activism in your mind and how does it differ from journalism and could those to always be separated?

gentlemen, some puts you in that speech sway you get into activism, not because you want, but you find yourself in that speaks. so what's the difference? i that kind of, gen, i live them, i do is naming shaming and gaming and in navigates and i've crossed that path. i go for had for everything's, i got, i've won the cover, i go into the court of law. and then i testified me to tell people to show it to people, so i don't believe in exclusive janet. and so my believing then other than that impacts on this website. so my gen amazon is a product of this website. and it works because i manage to get people into deal and that complex of people what, what do you need to do as a result of the work i do so you can call them. yeah, and that's a risk. but i do my gen, i listened and deduct deals into active as a how do you define yourself? so do you see yourself more as an activist or as a junior? i see myself as i'm active. it's because of the end product that i get. okay,

we wanna do you find yourself into situations as well where you're what sort of places even situations that you didn't necessarily sign up for you? yes, i do. and i absolutely refuse that tag activist. i am shy away from me. so i run away from me why? because there's different types of activities and i think you feel no play the type of activity you do. that's when you do get into trouble and that's the line can be seen. i agree with enough. but for me, i also see it as a very big effect, like it's a big gas problem my french take like so for example, we have different types of activities. you uh, you got an activities based on your personal conviction. all your pronounce that activities by your job, all by the governments of the day who's upset about what you're doing. people can also be active. it's because of the tension on the economy where there's this increasing tablo that zation of news and they have to press so mean ways active the

same as jo nineties and then find out i think people from the active be still 90, some be active. it's also of greed because it's of a read. yes, correct. i said, so i said what i said, okay. unless you have something to add to that. and i totally disagree with him because i think that she's not looking at the dean just we fees. there's no point in doing that piece of demo. somebody gets him up and what came up on the same street with that criminal. i see, i will take you to deal. i testify i should have called evidence. and as i'm speaking from my point of view of being a loyal hm, and i see that every miscalculation the member coverage in our lives can lead to desks, can lead flights of consequences. we don't become active, it's because we love a demo. something's not that cheap. but it's a serious business, i do have your rebuttal. i have to say, i look activism from the perspective of the don't toby drill, 94 cubes for being a drug. and so i know the 1st time what i mean, my own father was 15 years ago for being a drone on his he wasn't even on investigative john. and so you can even get killed

for being a call. them is a part of the. yeah, but i have another female, i know what disease i had to send my family out of the country when i did speak to be holding, for example, they know what to do for our audience. can you please tell us what seems to be put in was a vote we 3 coding was an investigation into the pharmaceutical cartel that cell coding on it was on the cobra as well. and knows why change and coding was found. we think 24, ours was still seeing some of the benefits, although that doesn't stop the drugs people move on to that room. what i said is to say, i have a clue that i'm leaving with the front of a family member died. i'm always watching my boss and nobody knows i was coming to boston for example, i just show up when i pull stuff down social media. well, i'd say these to say when you mix these activities in the problems at home, we see means it's no longer drawing me the, the way i'm not does this is very different. what are you talking about? the pop pull out we, we'll, we'll talk about this 2nd district devices later,

but i don't think we have answer that question yet. naomi, maybe you can help me on speaking about fathers would be jewels because of done is it yours is one of them. yeah. so the shrinking mediaspace impending, do you see yourself more as an activist or as a journalist because you're cutting between these walls, right? yes, absolutely. um i think i would rather define myself as an activities and i'm not, i'm not ashamed. so, so you see yourself 1st as an activist, then as a gen, yeah, okay, because i believe you don't have to be a journalist to be an activist. so i am a do to off and actually this is a john, the least he has found leads the privates press. the 1st private press group in building and he was always seen as an activity as he was and the police custody be on times. and he's still standing and i thank god for that. yeah. and so i'm trying to follow the boss, but also to of my own uh, personality i sent

a yes identity as well, but i'm older, i'm a journalist, but i'm also an activities, but i have to be careful. yeah, of course. okay, so we've had some impressions from beginning nigeria, i'm gunna, but we also ask people from around the continental colleagues went around asking them how is the media space in your country? and this is what they have to say. the new grand sometimes the line between generalization and activities and can be blogs. for instance, many media organizations are owned by politicians. we on agenda. now these employee, as i've said to have it feed inflates when the reporting by the journalist. they how you sometimes in criticized politicians in state that you've done at least for being present toward them. 70 has previously described private media outlets enemies but also some colleagues into media proficient. how will flip joined touches on 4 digits to some of the most prominent politicians,

both in the government on deal position, such a different demo with several newspapers, an over a $150.00 tv and regular channel has a pretty diverse media landscape. and well, the 1st thing in politics and media on a ship press here is still relatively free and able to criticize the parts one same as kind of an example of next to the stern list. is that the one photographer who turn to activism after the experience of reports and i'm kind of post election by that you would let them know and for driving, takes all the way to parliament and putting the words antiques, overindulging the members of parliament. and so well criticizing the powers that be may not be easy and tenure costs at many turn. let's take on corruption by politicians and political peace out. it's a major problem in gonna it's affects the ordinary preston for life. what's a boy? so good, good policy. holstead, quality education and many more now reporting about these issues. how did you

receive of jenn i live? and that's what's exactly what's going on. and then at least not really a one now, but it's fairly own in his car. yeah. for about 2 decades. a goal for guessing concrete evidence to prosecute sacrificial meant he has to go on that kind of. um, he didn't come in at least in doing that. but i'm not to corruption actively, as what he said by governments, with some public officials declaring him an enemy all this space. and so now known gradstaff on last hasn't become just a multi media documentary, myka fox now, and leading activities for the ordinary people. look up to for sundays and protecting them from the girls and abuse that we've just seen that but not through been mentioned. i'm so just to contextualize, you know, why is it that done this specifically in africa turned into active as i'm just trying to figure out sort of like what the social changes the to calling for and

why the journalist has a want to do it. and i think that says a for the general is, is much more little set to the people. you listen to them and you realize that no mountain that isms, i think cuts, i believe in being sold and doing a piece of work and seem to the benefits what society the rise from that piece of work. and so if i have done no mountain of which would have been just published and what's, what's normal gender, the amount of them would mean that you have identified your thoughts as you've gotten the information. you put it out. and you can allow the rest of the states institutions to take care of it. what i'm saying that states institutions equally handicapped as we add, just as we ask dana to, i don't see anything wrong with taking one step forward home to meet the prosecutor . i do not possess the way of police by way so far as if i find the criminal at that point wanting to kill,

that'd be. that's my thing. what would put in our hands to get an a showing that the guy has busted and i don't see anything wrong we've just done before it part of law. if you believe in that piece of work that you have done, why can't you defend it before i bought it from? oh, okay, well if i just find it and i'm pulling that, i'm active, it's so beast, i'm proud of it and he's good. all right, so and this is very proud of the, what's the, he does say normal journalism doesn't cuts it well, i know you have a different opinion about this. well, well, yes i do, but it's just, it's still in line. we're discussing the sense that active is activism is likely check before it's more about, you know, campaign in actively about something for change, you know, political or social change, but you want something to change. that's what you're doing, what you're doing. yes, i agree with the fact that people seem to be jewels, think that they need to be active because they let them be a let them be proud and let them much show themselves to find that ok, then it's gonna have to be any more likely it's important that people are going to start with the are per time because that's the only way to do good work. because if you claim to be something else because of what the ideal defined by society and to

be politically correct. you are this your so by the end of the day you're going to be below it yourself off mind in your right. so i didn't, nobody's going to struggle with be your self and go peace of mind that you lose when you do or need to add more points is with a activism is right or wrong. i'm not going to define that without book is the way to go. i'm still going to define it. i'm seeing if this is where you are now, then be some beats with your food chips. mm hm. yeah. until so then how do you maintain the integrity, right? so if i'm covering gender issues, i'm a woman, i definitely have a bias of that. how do i make sure these on line? and i'm not just advocating for women, and i am just being a journalist for every obstacle you're ready to run me by somebody else. you should always have a comfortability park and ask you to run you by somebody else to check you. i didn't know that integrity is important for you to run you by somebody else moving or by us, knowing that you've done to the best of your own ability. well, being, we, being comfortable pinto doesn't make you sense less of to be just still have it thought process. you can still think through. we to say, i still need to find balance to this truth. also this view point. ok, well,

let's see. i do have the press inside when, if i believe you don't know if that's the basic thing, you're not even what that's the big. that's a basic tenet. it'll work. we do. okay, let me show you. i see, you know, doing, do you have something to say to me? i completely agree with some of the sentiments that one has um, no of the key on the ones that i agree with. okay. i also think that it's to have between being a journalist and being an active it's unless you say you need to be very transference and be very honest with yourself when with others, when you're switching one hutch for the ad. okay, how do you do that practically realistically? yeah. one of sounds like the other thing i could, that's what she said is the mazda of conflict of interest to emotionally involved in something. and i know that it's going to uh to affect the outcome of, of, of the product of, of what if i'm doing that is a, that i say i step back. if i cannot be clear minded what i'm doing it or i have a come to a basic button as us, she said ok, so enough back to you when you have something to say to me. yeah, yeah, yeah. okay. so the female is that's, i've been asking myself,

this tenants will genetically, will they go down? maybe the lizzy met in the end of the big society. we can't retain that. we understand life was so different such a diverse and we still kind of fully understand who we are. and so yes, i know we need this guidance as well. my own point of view, every time we talk about the tenants on july the same and i agree with them, i came into the profession, but then i thought to myself, just now using was made for my model. some people do not even saw the end of the day, we should still be able to make some changes have to be going in society. mm hm. so you've got a ton of guides. well, isn't that dangerous though? i mean, at what point do you throughout the day, you still need to put things into consideration, go, ethical values, go morals. what do you know what you're being hammered to be been because i feel like those things come to play every profession without doing anything without football. when you are in here at the tons of crossing everything you do, and i'm able to verify on the, the cost which, which i take my pictures always shows that my pictures don't. i don't know how, what you've done. so i'm seeing that when you are always reflecting the work you do so yes, the could be dangerous. i really,

i haven't been in this space nearby to help us both white glove. what i'm seeing, that is the, on this thing yourself to know that we can do that. my, this is what i'm willing to do. i know we have to take a risk. we won't so far has it won't buy risk that we're taking by different people . i agree, i think we're making this huge mistake. okay, by letting people define what 10 out of them is for us. this is what about any ivy league schools? the thing though in which he now tents demo is going to be defined by use the site at the end of the, the how does the, which you to lead to the progress of that. so site. so what might be done that lives in the gym? i live, i mean i married might be a different type of gen as an email for it. so what kind of journalism would you suggest we have in africa? i am suggesting that your journalism should be fine, but you'll people, you'll, people need more drinking more to get that for them. whatever it takes to get that for them. get it for that. leaving means that developed one back. i've been getting for them to get it for the is really disagreeing with you. let me hear your voice. and that's my brother from the neighboring countries. i grew with you so much. i

mean, this is not because i don't agree with the funds that's known in john as the him have tried to show that he didn't take that by the way. so i am assuming that it is what we do in front of it all the way from the news rooms into the academic. we do need some level polls from it doesn't matter. we do need some level of found that yeah, i'm those done that dictates that there should be a very clear 9 on what is on. what's his notes? for example, what well then differentiates all from the publics. we call them if we sound the same way, if we don't have any types of sun that, i mean, just imagine even with those sign up for these type of drinking water, we have in the world that it would be ok to keep drinking live. what that was drunk centuries ago. i'm probably still being drunk drunk now. yeah, i mean, i get 2 points that hold on enough. no me, i want to come to you because let's just ground ourselves in reality here, right? so we have the tenants of done losing perfect,

but even be that said that they based on it still becomes difficult to practice and say a country like yours. so are you allowed to color the light outside the lines then? well, um, actually i'm not really allowance, but i do, i do a rebel here. i really i'm really on social media. so i, i, i'm working for press groups of course, but it's on the side i right white, i think on my social media platform and on my social media platform, i am myself and i can see what ever i want. hm. interesting. yeah. are you able to separate to identity as a journalist from your phone line plus the 90 to you down to do that? because when i see you online, i'll see the agenda this, naomi? yes, you see the john the least, but i do with the different way. when i'm going to be presenting, for example, i have to follow the rules. i just come to keep fox. that's all on my social media platform. i comments the fact i see my minds, but it's not in

a way that we've puts me in um, in a venture situation, so you have to pick your toes between activism and journalism. right? yes, i mean the medium. yeah. but enough doesn't just make it a very dangerous situation then because we have the rules, but then we have thing, we can break them when it's not convenient for us. so when does, society does not have struck just for us? and we say, oh, by the way, when i'm out of the news room, then i can see what i want, you have to actual. so how do i do my way in a way that did come me and get to me to cods means that you asked me some more for sizes from the democratic point into the active is doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of and it doesn't because at the end of the whatever evidence you produce at the end of the day to be a part of the law that will sit down when that judy gets for bearings. i have taken so many people in to do, and i did it with my own when they had the own lawyers. and i love it because it's also a test of your integrity test. how much do your gen that of them is? everybody should be given an opportunity to come and defend himself. this is your

video, this is how you story. this is how you plan to steal. and i'm such a way. i think that should be the way out. ok. the question is, are you on the issue of trust you might be well, meaning, and perhaps you want to talk about co dean and then your younger audiences that she always leads to was one side she's untied. governments has on type is how do you balance that out? so you buy these again by those sets of rules that don't, that mistake, that's not ethical. i mean, i think what, what needs to be me impactful john is in, is not always, don't, you know, not to be smart. now. i'm not, i'm not serious. i do not identify as one i will never identify as well. can you tell me why? i mean, this is something that is very deeply rooted if you'd like, like sort of like just oh yeah, just in the via large the wrong i find activity it distracts me when i have to actively care about what people say. oh, i bought my methyl,

it's to the essence where i come to control me. there's no quality control. for example, in my mind, then i have a problem. i will say that you kind of do john museum doctor's impactful boy, by the book. i need to still in fact from i'm an example of that. when i did call dean, people were very happy with being changed. but guess what? that was. so people that came to see i was paid by a foreign government because i, my son's name is german. so i still got that block on the way people that were to be i previous. what is the french course on these points to the fact of extremism? you will always be called an activities which as well, where you do your journalism. and that is why i refuse the because i have no business being called of fixing into the mode of activity. mm hm. and are in with spend, they don't. oh you, yes. because if i was doing the full day and for example, my name would be what's in these agreements, breeland's b, so forth. but anyway,

if somebody doesn't go to do it, does it take away from the work that she did? it doesn't take away a lot of people want to spend too much, but yeah, so i'm not allowed to take the tv, but i'm seeing my brother and i'm talking about the work that made my mother have 50 made my brother pop the few with the front of me, i have it 6 i'm i'm going to say change came and i do. i hardly print those. i've been changed parts when opened offices, where i opened into port, quote, dean leg jobs, what am i supposed to go home to be wary and not said that. well, that's not change, then my name is not bruno. so i'd like to hear from you all based on the what we've had here today. do you still believe that these, that line between journalism and activism will have you shifted a little bit? let's see, your final thoughts, naomi. i won't change my mind. i still believe that as a journalist, you need to speak about the facts. but you come jesse speak the fox. for example, if there's

a story happening and you know that it's not the true for the government, for example, as a seas giving a version of its own, sending me to say out loud that this is not true. so you, you, you won't be coming. you'll be coming. i'm not to this somehow. you still need to follow the rules. i do agree refer you to follow the rules of don't only thing, not to be in danger, but you need to make the public in the sense that the story is not quite right. okay, let's do it from you. surely, i maintain that there is a line. and for me, what would be important is that transpired and see that we know which side you're on. if you're a journalist and you, once you're an activist, your general list, whichever hot you're putting on, that's what's up. what time that is, b p a to your audience. so 12 i listening to you because of the media pushing it or the done on this. you have so much power this to me for looking at to listening to you some even how you want to evaluate like everything and say they take it as it is. yeah. okay. almost. yeah, that's why i'm,

yes. my own point is we will keep evolving as human beings, right? so as journalist does activates, as advocates, that gary's the end goal is change. what is the goal is to show whatever changes we're trying to drive for. well, in looking at the next generation old, going to people who are thinking to call me into journalism. i think what drives use key for unless it's all collected, supported him like this is like, i will see you in jail for room doesn't have seen joe, but he has to just expose the story of what you was coming in to read. you need to ask yourself, why are you coming for the accolades of the i was because yes, no good job. you'll be nominated for an emmy. yeah, but that's not why this is because at the end of it there's no need to have gone tables to sleep. but we've had done a lease. we know awards lose piece in cost. the story didn't feel in. right. so we don't know what you want to know what, what's happening, story about the floods that it doesn't speak. right? so i don't actually going personally deciding, okay, i like to see people in general, so i'm going to enjoy it. become a journalist. i love people don't like i'm not gonna be great on top of my face.

that's what you want to do then. well, you need to consider why the, what? to what extent do you need to be on there? so you like the essential 90 accolades or you know what, i'm going to do these because of the right thing to do for myself. i used motivation being the can i call you getting it for you? good. all right, go now. so for me, i mean, i, what i thought i quoted me was like, let's get just, i had a brother who was i might be. so that was what motivated me wasn't any of what i think the, i mean was going to call. yeah. but for me, more important is the solution we need to about from the tv shows about this the big spring. so you know, practicing you know, and use in practice. so i want to see eddie told us on the 6 people don't, but we don't see joe ninety's older ladies don't people to engage me. they just say you're not cvc, don't know what to do. john is in the all got one should be i'm not supposed to be in the middle because i'm not young, but i'm not all the sound. so i feel we should try to overcome distributions. i mean, is not a bond, was, is not something that we kind of speak about what she says,

let's be transferring. let's try to avoid putting all right in our cells, because the audience sees the proof. i've done these governments already doing that . now guys, the news is your right, an us last but not least. so am i lance? part of my jen. i live them here in gym and i dream then. but once i arrived, i know there was famous and that coverage. and i've also learned from the b, b, z of come apart from that the due date, code of ethics guides me as i work. so at the end of the pi, i believe that we should ask ourselves the question. when we get into us piece of that, how do i ensure that i get people up? and so jen, again, i see you full trans. i see the youth and i want to emphasize that the advertising use of the i'm tired of the roots in the system. yeah. and they want to see a change. yeah. and if we wanted flicking partners or not, various countries, then we have to move towards more activism and i don't see any like the amount of them and activity on us. thank you so so much. thank you to audience. at the

beginning of this debates we us a very simple question. where is the line between activism and journalism? and as one of the people here said, it's just papa k o. so when you try to define those terms, thank you all to a lovely audience here. thank you to kind of look at the usual 14 the

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