the words people have to say, that's why we listen to every weekend on d w the this week on the 77 percent street debate that com, lots of people what, what do you need to do as a result of the white guides? so you are made some more for sizes from the gen i missed a point to each of the active is, doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of and you kind of the drawing, you've invested in proxy green by the rule. that is why i have no business between into the mode of active design with spend they don't owe you. people want the same team bush and my brother. i am talking about the work that made my mother have to

be made. my brother pop the few with them finding these nigeria hardly print those . i've been changed. that one does not change. then my name is not bruno. hello and welcome back to the 77 percent 3 debate this week. we anybody in africa nor on the threes? we're home to the global media for i'm one of the leading medium forums globally. it's mostly griggs, for those of you who live in africa, the media spaces are usually either not 3 or independence. and for that reason, sometimes list a forced to do a work that they did not sign up for activities. so today we're going to ask, where is that line if there is one in africa between journalism and activism? and today i have a quote just found out here with me, look at those applicant, kind of a nice. let's start with you. what is activism in your mind and how does it differ from generally? those to always be separated?

gentlemen, some puts you in that speech sway you get into activism, not because you want, but you find yourself in that speaks. so what's the difference? i that kind of, gen, i live them, i do is naming shaming and gaming and in navigates in our across that path i will for had, for everything's, i got the one that cover. i go into the court of law and then i testified to tell people to show to people. so i don't believe in exclusive gen on some i believe in gen other than that, the facts on this was sites. so my gym, i was them is a product of this website and it works because i managed to get people into deal and that complex of people what, what do you need to do as a result of the work i do. so you can call me, i might have missed, but i do my jen allison and did stuff deals into activities. how do you define yourself? so do you see yourself more as an active, as well as a junior? i see myself as i'm active. it's because of the end product that i get. okay,

we wanna do you find yourself into situations as well, where you're, what sort of places you in situations that you didn't necessarily sign up for you? yes, i do. and i absolutely refuse that tag activist. i am shy away from each i run away from me. why? because there's different types of activities. and i think if you all know play the type of activity. so you all you do, that's when you do get into trouble. and that line can be seen. i agree with enough, but for me, i also see it as a very big effect. like it's a big gas problem. my french decline. so for example, we have different types of activities. you. uh, you got an active, it's based on your personal conviction. all your pronounced an activist by your job, all by the governments of the day who's of setup the once you're doing. people can also be activities because of the icons showing the economy where the existing increasing complex ation of news. and they have to press well, meaning wait,

activism as jo nineties and then find out, i think people from the activity so that if somebody activities also of greed because it's of a read. yes, correct. i said, so i said what i said, okay. unless you have something to add to that, and i totally disagree with because i think that she's not looking at the dean just we fees. there's no point in doing that piece of general that somebody gets them up and what came up on the same street with that criminal. i see, i would take you to deal. i testify, i'd sure to have quote, evidence, and i, i'm speaking from my point of view of being that loyal, and i see that every miscalculation the amount that coverage and i was a kind of lead to the desk and lead slates, uh, quincy quinn's. we don't become active is because we love a demo. somebody's not that cheap, but it's a serious business. i do have your rebuttal. i have to say, i do cut activism from the perspective of the don't toby draw 9040 cubes for the new drone on me. so i know the 1st time what i mean, my old father was killed 15 years ago for being a drone on these. he wasn't even an investigative journalist,

so you can't even get killed for when they call them. it's a part of the yeah. what happened on the female? i know what it sees. i have to send my family out of the country when i get sweet, sweet quoting, for example, they know what to do, but for, for our audience, can you please tell us what seems to be put in was about me. 3 coding wasn't investigation, answer the phone, my sister cool cartel. that cell coding on it was on the cobalt as well. and last way change, including was funds we think 24. ours was still seeing some of the benefits, although that doesn't stop the drugs people move on to that room. what i said is to say, i have a clue that i'm leaving with the front of a family member died. i'm always watching my box and nobody knows i was coming to boston for example, i just show up when i pull stuff down so strongly. yeah. well, i'd say these to say when you mix these activities in, the problem is that when we see it means it's no longer drawing these the, the way i'm not. so this is very different, but i'm talking about the pop pull out. we, we'll,

we'll talk about this as tightly stick devices later, but i don't think we have answer that question yet. naomi, maybe you can help me on speaking about fathers who be jude, because of judges. and yours is one of them. yeah. so the shrinking mediaspace infinity and do you see yourself more as an activist or as a journalist because your cutting between these walls right? yes, absolutely. um, i think i would rather define myself as an activities and i'm not, i'm not ashamed so, so you see yourself 1st as an activist then as a gen. yeah. okay. because i believe you don't have to be a journalist to be an activist. so i am a do to off and activities as a john the least. yeah. sounds the private press, the 1st private friends group in building and he was always seen as an activity. so he was and the police custody be on times and he's still standing advice. thank god for that. yeah. and so i'm trying to follow the path, but also to of my own uh, personality i sent to yes. identity as well,

but i'm ok. i'm enjoying the least, but i'm also i'm actually be split. i have to be careful. yeah, of course. okay, so we've had some impressions from the beginning nigeria and gone to, but we also ask people from around the continental colleagues went around asking them how is the media space in your country? and this is what they have to say. the new gun. and sometimes the line between generalization and activities and can be blogs. for instance. many media organizations are owned by politicians with an agenda. now these employee, as i've said to have it feed conflicts from the reporting by the journalist they hire. sometimes in criticized politicians in state that you've done at least of being present jordan must have been has previously described private media outlets enemies, but also some colleagues in the media proficient. how will flip joins punches and 4 digits to some of the most prominent politicians, both in the government and vio,

position started off as the demo with several newspaper than over a $150.00 tv and regular channels. but media landscape and well, that's those things in politics and media and accept the press here. and so relatively free and able to criticize the 3rd one same as kind of an example of an act of a stern lift is that that's one photographer who turned to activism after the experience of reports. and i'm kind of post election by that you would like to know for driving takes all the way to parliament and putting the words antiques, overindulging them was a problem. and so what could decide in the powers that be may not be easy and tenure costs of many turn. let's take home corruption by politicians and probably for free. so it's a major problem in gonna it's affects the ordinary pressing for life. what's a, what's a good, good policy halls, good quality education and mini mall?

no reporting about this issue, father due to obtain a list. and that's what is that look forward to getting then at least not really a one now, but it's fairly on in his car. yeah. for about 2 decades. a goal for guessing concrete evidence to prosecute such a fish out meant he has to go on that. com, but he didn't come again, at least in dreams, that amounted corruption actively, as what he said by governments with some public officials, declared rehab an enemy, all the space. and so now known gradstaff, unless husbands become just a multi media documentary, myka fox now and leading activities for the ordinary people, look up so for sundays, and protecting them from the girl and abuse that we've just seen that but not to be mentioned. and so, just to contextualize, you know, why is it that gender specifically in africa turned into activities? i'm just trying to figure out sort of like what the social changes are that you are

calling for and why the journalist doesn't want to do it. so i think that the federal for the general is, is much more little set to the people. you listen to them and you realize that no margin of them doesn't cost. i believe in being sold and doing that piece of work and seem to the benefits. what society the price from that piece of work. and so if i have done no margin as which would have been just publish and what's, what's normal, genuine omar, the amount of them would mean that you have identified your sources. you've gotten the information, you put it out there and you can allow the rest of the states institutions to take care of it and see that states institutions equally handicapped as we add just as we as today. and so i don't see them anything wrong with taking one step forward home to meet the prosecutor. i do not possess by a police by way, so far as if i find that criminal at that point i wanted to kill. that'd be there's

nothing wrong with putting our hands to get an insurance that that guy has busted, and i don't see anything wrong wages done before the court of law. if you believe in that piece of work that you have done, why can't you defend it before i bought it from? oh, okay, well if i just find it and i'm pull that, i'm active, it's so be, i'm proud of it and he's good. all right, so and this is very proud of the work that he does say normal journalism doesn't cuts it well. i know you have a different opinion about this. well, i, well, yes i do, but it's just, it's still in line with what we're discussing. the sense that active is activism is like we check before it's more about, you know, competing, actively about something for change, you know, political or social change while you want something to change. that's what you're doing, what you're doing. yes, i agree with the fact that people seem to be jewels, think that they need to be actively, they let them be a, let them be proud and let them much show themselves to find that ok, then it's gonna have to be any more likely it's important that people are going to start with the are per time because that's the only way to do good work. because if you claim to be something else because of what the ideal defined by society and to

be politically correct, you on your cell by the end of the day, you're going to be below it yourself, off mines in your ring. so i didn't know if it's going to be a struggle, we'd be your self and go peace of mind that you lose when you do need to add more points is with a activism his rightful wrong. i'm not going to define god, what outlook is the way to go? i'm still going to define it. i'm seeing if this is where you are now, then beat them beats with your full chest. mm hm. yeah. until so then how do you maintain the integrity? right? so if i'm covering gender issues, i'm a woman, i definitely have a bias and that's how do i make sure these in line. and i'm not just advocating for women, and i am just being a journalist for every article you write to run me by somebody else. you should always have a comfortability partner for you to run you by somebody else to check. you didn't know that integrity is important for you to run you by somebody else moving or by us knowing that you've done to the best of your own ability. well being we have an opening. it doesn't make you sense. let's us to be just still have it thought process. you can still think through. we to say, i still need to find balance to this truth also this view point. ok,

well let's see. i do have the press inside when, if i believe you don't know if that's the basic things you're not using. well that's a big, that's a basic kind of in a work we do. okay, let me show you. i see, you know, doing, do you have something to say to me? i completely agree with some of the sentiments that, oh, has some of the key on the ones that i agree with. okay. i also think that it's to have between being a journalist and being an active it's unless you say you need to be very transference and be very honest with yourself and with others when you're switching one hutch for the ad. okay, how do you do that practically realistically? yeah. one of sounds like the other thing i could, that's what she said is mazda, of conflict, of interest, if i'm too emotionally involved in something. and i know that it's going to uh to affect the outcome of, of the product of, of what if i'm doing that is a lot, i say i step back if i kind of be clear minded what i'm doing it or i have, i come to a basic button as us she said ok, so unless back to you when you have something to say to me. yeah, yeah, yeah. okay. so the female is that i've been asking myself this tendency of genetics

. the more the board meetings all of the met and i end of the big society, we don't return that. we understand like was so different types of diverse and we still kind of fully understand who we are. and so, yes, i know we need these guidance as well. my own points of view. every time we talked about, the tenants will genetically mine. i agree with them. i came into the profession, but then i thought to myself, just now living with me for my model, some people do not even saw the end of the day. we should still be able to make some changes as we go into the site. mm hm. so you've got a ton of guides. well, isn't that dangerous though? i mean, that's what points do you throughout the day, you still need to put in cause it's supposed to be on your ethical values, your morals. what do you know what you're being hammered to be been because i feel like those things come to play every profession without doing anything without football, when you are in here are the terms of crossing everything you do on how many photograph uh, on the be hostage which i take my pictures on, which shows in my pictures on, i don't know how, what it does. so i'm seeing that for you will always reflect in the work you do. so i guess the could be dangerous. i really, i haven't been in this space,

can we talk about stuff like that? but i'm seeing that it's the only thing yourself to know though can do that my this is what i'm willing to do. i don't mean to take a risk. they won't so far has it won't buy risk that we're taking by different people. i agree. i think we're making this huge mistake. okay, by letting people define what 10 out of them is for us that my live them is what i'm out in the ivy league. school was sitting though and looking now tense demo is going to be defined by your site at the end of the, the how does the, what you to lead to the progress of that. so site. so what might be jim l, as in jim l as in mean i'm mary, might be that different type of gen other than enough or so what kind of generally thing would you suggest to be helping africa? i am suggesting that your journalism should be fine, but you'll people, you'll, people need more drinking more to get that for them. whatever it takes to get that for them. get in for that, leaving means that you have to go and back up and get it for them to get it for the is really disagree with you. let me hear your voice and that's my brother from the

neighboring countries. i disagree with you so much. i mean, it's not because i don't agree with the fact that it's known in john dizzy him, have tried to show that he didn't take that by the way. so i agree with that. it is what we do in terms of it's all the way from the news rooms into the academic. we do need some level above that pulls from it doesn't matter. we do need some level of spend that. yeah, i'm those done that the things that there should be a very clear 9 on what is on, what's his notes? for example, what well then differentiates all from the publics. we call them. if we sound the same way, if we don't have any types of sound that, i mean, just imagine even with those kind of what these type of drinking, what are we having the world that it would be ok to keep drinking live? what that was drunk centuries ago. i'm probably still being drunk drunk now. yeah, i mean, i guess your point now hold on enough. no man wants to come to you because let's just ground ourselves in reality here. right? so we have the tendency of journalism perfect. but even with that send that they,

they shouldn't, it still becomes difficult to practice and say a country like yours. so are you allowed to color the lie outside the lines then? well, um, actually i'm not really allowance, but i do, i do a rebel here. i really, i'm really on social media, so i, i, i'm working for press groups of course, but on the side i writes wife, i think on my social media platforms and on my social media platform, i am myself and i can see what ever i want. mm. interesting, yeah. are you able to separate your identity as a journalist from your phone line? personality yeah, definitely do that. because when i see you online, i'll see the agenda this naomi? yes, you see the john the least, but i do. it's a different way. when i'm going to be presenter, for example, i have to follow the rules. i just come to keep fox. that's all on my social media platform. i comments the fact i see my minds, but it's not in

a way that we puts me in um, in a venture situation, so you have to fix your toes between activism. engine, lindsey, right? yes. i mean the me that yeah, but enough doesn't just make it a very dangerous situation then because we have the rules, but then we have thing, we can break them when it's still convenient for us. so when the society does not have structures for us, and we're saying, oh, by the way, when i'm out of the news room, then i can say whatever i want, you have to actual. so how do i do my way in a way that did come pets? me and gets image cards means that you are meant i'm also size from the gen i missed a point into the active is doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of and it doesn't because at the end of the whatever evidence you produce at the end of the day to be a part of the law that will sit down with that judy gets full body. i have to control many people in to do, and i did it with my own when they had the own lawyers. and i loved me because there's also a test of your integrity of the test. how on missed your gen others, i'm is, everybody should be given on which we need to come and defend himself. this is

you'll be do it. this is how you story. this is how you plan to steer and i'm such a way, i think that should be the way out. ok. one of the question is, are you on the issue of trust? you might be well, meaning, and perhaps you want to talk about co dean and then your younger audiences that she always leads to was one side. she's untied. governments has on type is how do you balance that out? so you see that getting by those sets of rules that don't at least think that's not ethical. i mean, i think what, what needs to be me impactful john is in, is not always going, you know, not to be smart enough. i'm not, i'm not serious. i do not identify as one i will never identify as well. can you tell me why? i mean, this is something that is very deep. you said you do you like like you're like just oh yeah, just in the via the wrong i find activity seem distract me. when i have to see really care about what people see about my mental. it's through the

essence where i come to control me. there's no quality control, for example, in my mind, then i have a problem. i will say that you can do drawing these inductors impactful going by the book. i need to still in fact from, i'm an example of that. when i did call dean, people were very happy with being changed, but guess what? that was. so people that came to see, i was paid by a foreign government because i, my son's name is jeremiah. so i still got the lock underway. people that was to see i've seen before in the french course on these points to the fact of extremism, you will always be called them activities, which are the way you do your journalism. and that is why i refuse the because i have no business being called of fixing into the mode of activity. mm hm. and are in with spend they don't. oh you. yes. because if i was doing coding, for example, my name would that be which invisibility breeland's be. so for what we're gonna

take away, if somebody doesn't go to do it, does it take away from the work that she did? it doesn't take. i went by the people want to spend too much, but yeah, so i'm not allowed to take the tv, but i'm see my brother and i'm talking about the work that made my mother have 50 made my brother pop the few with the front of me. i have a 6 i'm, i'm going to say change came and i do, i hardly print those. i've been changed parts when opened offices, where opened into ports for dean leg jobs, what formats, what's a good company where we had not said that? well, that's not change. then my name is not bruno. so i'd like to hear from you all based on the what we've had yet today. do you still believe that these, that line between journalism and activism will have you shifted a little bit? let's see, your final thoughts, naomi. i won't change my mind. i still believe as a journalist, you need to to speak about the facts. but you come jesse speak the fox. for example, if there's

a story happening and you know that is not the true for the government. for example, as a seas giving a version of its own thing, we need to say out loud that this is not true. so you, you, you are becoming your becoming, i'm not to somehow, you still need to follow the rules. i do agree refer you to follow the rules of don't the only thing not to be in danger, but you need to make the public in the sense that the story is not quite right. okay. let's do it from you. surely, i maintain that there is a line. and for me, what would be important is that transpired and see that we know which side you're on. if you're a journalist and you, once, you're an activist, you're jealous. whichever hot you're putting on, that's what's about time. that is, be clear to your audience. so it's, we have a, the listening to you because of the media present it, or they've done on this. you have so much power this to me for looking at to listening to you some even how you want to your very what like everything and say they take it as it is. yeah. okay. almost. yeah, that's fine. um,

yes. my own point is we will keep evolving as human beings, right? so as journalist us active is as advocates that gary the end goal is change of political social, whatever change it is we're trying to drive home. well, in looking at the next generation old, going to people who are thinking to come into journalism. i think what drives use key for unless it's also like it's appalling like this is like, i will see you in jail for room doesn't have seen joe, but she has to just expose the story of what you was coming in to read. you need to ask yourself, why are you coming for the accolades of the i was because yes, so good job. you'll be nominated for an enemy. yeah, but that's not why this is because at the end of it there's no need to have gone able to speak with. we've had done a lease, we know awards lose piece in cost. the story didn't feel and right. so we don't know what you wanna know what, what's happening, story about the floods that it doesn't stick, right? so i don't actually going personally deciding, okay, i like to see people in general, so i'm going to enjoy it. become a journalist. i love people don't like i'm not gonna be great on top of my face.

that's what you want to do, then what you need to consider. why the, what's, to what extent do you need to be on there? so do you like the attention of the accolades or you know what i'm going to do this because of the right thing to do for myself? i is motivation being the can i call you getting it from the guns. all right, well now, so for me, i mean, when i saw that quote, to me was like, let's get just, i have a brother who was, i might be. so that was what motivated me wasn't any of what i think the, i mean what's going to call. yeah. but for me, more important is the solution we need to buy from the tv shows that these 2 big spring. so you know, practices user in practice. so i want to see the tools. i probably see people don't, but we don't see jo, nineties, older ladies don't people to engage and they just say you're not cvc, don't know how to do. john is in the younger ones should be, i'm not supposed to be in the middle because i'm not young, but i'm not on the ad. so i feel we should try to overcome distributions. activism is not a bond was it's not something that we kind of speak about. well,

she says let's be transparent. let's try to avoid putting all right in our cells, because the audience, these on the proof, i've done these governments already doing that now. yeah i the news is your right an us last but not least. so am i lance proud of my 10 out of them here in gym and i dream then. but once i arrived, i know there was famous and that coverage. and i've also learned from the b, b, z, all come apart from that the ged code of ethics guides me as i was. so by the end of the day, i believe that we should ask ourselves that question. when we get into the last piece of that, how do i ensure that i get people don't mean so jen again, i see you full trans. i see the youth and i want to emphasize that the after time i was the i'm tired of the roots in the system. yeah. and they want to see a change. yeah. and if we wanted for looking partners or not, various countries, then we have to move towards more activism and i don't see any like the amount of them and activity on us. thank you so so much. thank you to audience. at the

beginning of this debate, we us a very simple question. where is the line between activism and journalism? and as one of the people here said, it's just papa chaos. when you try to define those terms. thank you all to a lovely audience here. thank you to kind of look at the usual 14 the

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