for tennis and 60 minutes on d, w. as he's got any issues or thoughts say what the this week on the 77 percent street debate that come less of people what, what do you need to do as a result of the wake items. so you want some more for sizes from the general mistake point to each of the active is, doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of and you kind of do john using that is impossible going by the rule. that is why i have no business between into the mode of active design which spend they don't owe you. people want to see too

much. my brother, i am talking about the work that made my mother have to be made. my brother, perhaps a few, we don't find me. nigeria, i hardly print those. i've been changed. that will not change. then my name is not bruno. hello, and welcome back to the 77 percent street debate this week. we anybody in africa nor on the streets? we're home to the global media floor. i'm one of the leading medium firms globally . thank you. it's mostly correct. for those of you who live in africa, the media space is usually either not 3 or independence. and for that reason, some generally a forced to do a work that they did not sign up for activities. so today we're going to ask, where is that line if there is one in africa between journalism and activism? and today i have a girl i just found out here with me look at those applicant kind of on us. let's start with you. what is activism?

your mind and how does it differ from journalism to those to always be separated. jim, i'm of them, puts you in that speech sway you get into activism, not because you want, but you find yourself in that speech. so what's the difference? i that kind of, gen, i live them. i do is naming shame and gaming and in navigates and i've crossed that path. i go for had for everything. i got the one that cover, i go into that part of the role and then i testified to tell people to show it to people. so i don't believe in exclusive janet and so my believing jen other than that impacts on this website. so i jen, i was, i'm is a product of this website and it works because i managed to get people into jail and that complex of people what, what do you need to do as a result of that, which i do so you can call them yeah, and that's a risk, but i do my gen, i listened and deduct deals into active as a how do you define yourself? so do you see yourself more as an activist or as a junior?

i see myself as i'm active. it's because of the end product that i get. okay, we want to do you find yourself into situations as well, where you're, what sort of places even situations that you didn't necessarily sign up for you? yes, i do. and i absolutely refuse that tag activist. i'm shy away from each i run away from me. why? because there's different types of activities and i think you feel no play that type of activity. so you all you do that when you do get into trouble and that's the line can be seen. i agree with enough, but for me, i also see it as a very big effect. like it's a big gas problem my french take like so for example, we have different types of activities. you uh, you got an active use based on your personal conviction. all your pronounce that activities by your job, all by the governments of the day, who's upset about what you're doing. people can also be active. it's because of the attention on the call on me,

where the existing freezing from lodi is ation of news. they have to perform a new wave activism as jo nineties and then find out, i think people from the activities that it's going to be active. it's also of greed because it's of a read. yes, correct. i said, so i said what i said, okay. unless you have something to add to that, and i totally disagree with because i think that she's not looking at the dean just we fees. there's no point in doing that piece of gym and somebody gets him up and what came up on the same street with that criminal. i see, i will take you to deal. i testify, i should have called evidence and i, i'm speaking from my point of view of being that loyal. mm hm. and i see that every missed calculation, the amount that come by the end of the day can lead to the desk and lead face of quincy quinn's. we don't become active, it's because we love a demo. something's not that cheap, but it's a serious business. i do have your rebuttal, i have to say, i look activism from the perspective of the don't tell the drill, 94 cubes for being a drug. so i know the 1st time what i mean,

my own father was sealed 15 years ago for being a drone on his he wasn't even on investigating john and so you can even get killed for being a call. them is a part of the. yeah, but i have another female, i know what disease i had to send my family out of the country when i did speak to be holding, for example, they know what to do for, for our audience. can you please tell us what seems to be put in was a vote we 3 coding was an investigation into the formats which include cartels that sell coding. and it was on the cobra as well. and knows what change, including what funds we think $24.00. i was still seeing some of the benefits, although that doesn't stop the drugs people move on to that room. what i said is to say, i have a clue there. i'm, i'm leaving with the front of a family member died. i'm always watching my boss. nobody knows i was coming to boston for example, i just show up when i pull stuff down social media. well, i'd say these to say when you mix these activities in the problems that home we see it means it's no longer. obviously the way on us does these is very different. what

i'm talking about the pop pull out we. we will talk about this as tightly stick devices need to, but i don't think we have answer that question yet. naomi, maybe you can help me on speaking about fathers would be jewels because of just is it yours? is one of them. yeah. so the shrinking mediaspace infinity, do you see yourself more as an activist or as a journalist because you're cutting between these walls, right? yes. absolutely, um i think i would rather define myself as an activities and i'm not, i'm not ashamed so, so you see yourself 1st as an activist then as a gen yeah. okay. because i believe you don't have to be a journalist to be an activist. so i am a do to off and actually this is a john, the least he has found leads the privates press, the 1st private press group in building and he was always seen as an activity he was and the police custody be on times and he's still standing and i thank god for that. yeah. and so i'm trying to follow the boss,

but also to of my own uh, personality i sent a yes identity as well, but i'm older, i'm a journalist, but i'm also an activist, but i have to be careful. yeah, of course. okay, so we've had some impressions from beginning nigeria and gone to, but we also asked people from around the continental colleagues went around asking them how is the media space in your country? and this is what they have to say. the new grand sometimes the line between generalization and activities and can be blogs. for instance, many media organizations are owned by politicians. we on agenda. now these employee, as i've said to have it feed inflates from the reporting by the journalist. they how you sometimes in criticized politicians in state that you've done at least for being present toward them 70 has previously described. private media outlets in them is by some colleagues into media proficient. how will flip joined touches on

politics today? some of the most prominent politicians, both in the government on deal position, such a different demo with several newspapers, an over a $150.00 tv and regular channel has a pretty diverse media landscape. and while the posting in politics and media on a ship, the press here is still relatively free and able to criticize the parts one same was kind of an example of an act of a stern list. is that the one photographer who turn to activism, author of experience a report on kenya is post election violence. he would like to known for driving, takes all the way to parliament and putting the words antiques, overindulging, members of parliament, and so well criticizing the powers that be may not be easy and 10. yes, it's still a toss that many journalists take on corrupt, seen by politicians and political fish out. it's a major problem in gonna, it's affects the ordinary preston for life. what's a boy? so good, good quality house,

good quality education. and many more now reporting about these issues. how did you receive of jenn i live? and that's what's exactly what's going on. and then at least not really a one now, but it's fairly own in his car. yeah. for about 2 decades. a goal for guessing concrete evidence to prosecute sacrificial meant he had to go on that kind of um, he didn't come again at least in doing that. but i'm not to corruption actively, as what he said by governments, with some public officials declaring him an enemy of this space. and so now known gradstaff unless hasn't become just a multi media documentary, myka fox now and leading activities for the ordinary people, look up to for sundays, and protecting them from the girls and abuse that we've just seen that but not through been mentioned. i'm so just to contextualize, you know, why is it that done this specifically in africa turned into active as i'm just

trying to figure out sort of like, what the social changes are that you are calling for and why the journalist has a want to do it and i think that says a for the general is, is much more little set to the people. you listen to them and you realize that no mountain that isms, i think i believe in being sold and doing that piece of work and seem to the benefits. what society the price from that piece of work. and so if i have done no mountain of which would have been just published and what's, what's normal generally, the amount of them would mean that you have identified your thoughts as you've gotten the information. you put it out and you can allow the rest of the states institutions to take care of it. what i'm saying that states institutions equally handicapped as we add, just as we ask dana to. i don't see anything wrong with taking one step forward home to meet the prosecutor. i am,

i do not possess the way of police by way so far as if i find that criminal at that point is wanting to kill, that'd be. that's my thing. what would put in our hands to get an a showing that the guy has busted and i don't see anything wrong we've just done before it part of law. if you believe in that piece of work that you have done, why can't you defend it before i bought it from? oh, okay, well if i just find it and i'm pull that, i'm active, it's so be, i'm proud of it and he's good. all right, so and this is very proud of the, what's the, he does say normal journalism doesn't cuts it well, i know you have a different opinion about this. well, well, yes i do, but it's just, it's still in line with what we're discussing. the sense that active is activism is likely check before it's more about, you know, campaign in actively about something for change, you know, political or social change, but you want something to change. that's what you're doing, what you're doing. yes, i agree with the fact that people seem to be jewels, think that they need to be active because they let them be a let them be proud and let them much show themselves to find that ok, then it's gonna have to be any more likely it's important that people are going to

start with the are per time because that's the only way to do good work. because if you claim to be something else because of what the ideal defined by society and to be politically correct. you are this your so by the end of the day you're going to be below it yourself off mind in your right. so i didn't, nobody's going to struggle with be your self and go peace of mind that you lose when you do or need to. michael points is with a activism is right or wrong. i'm not going to define god without book is the way to go. i'm still going to define it. i'm seeing if this is where you are now. then be some beats with your full chair. mm hm. yeah. until so then how do you maintain the integrity, right? so if i'm covering gender issues, i'm a woman, i definitely have a bias and that's how do i make sure these on line. and i'm not just advocating for women, and i am just being a journalist for every obstacle you're ready to run me by somebody else. you should always have accountability, park, and ask you to run you by somebody else to check you. i didn't know that integrity is important for you to run you by somebody else moving or by us knowing that you've done to the best of your own ability. well, being, we, being comfortable pinto doesn't make you sense less of to be just still have it

thought process. you can still think through. we to say, i still need to find balance to this truth. also this view point. ok, well, let's see. i do have the press inside when, if i believe you don't know if that's the basic things you're not using. well, that's the big. that's a basic tenet. it'll work. we do. okay, let me show you. i see, you know, doing, do you have something to say to me? i completely agree with some of the sentiments that one has um, no of the key on the ones that i agree with. okay. i also think that it's to have between being a journalist and being an active it's unless you say you need to be very transference and be very honest with yourself when with others, when you're switching one hutch for the ad. okay, how do you do that practically realistically? yeah, one of sounds like the other thing i could, that's what she said is the mazda of conflict of interest, if i'm to emotionally involved in something. and i know that it's going to uh to affect the outcome of, of, of the product of, of what if i'm doing that, it's a lot. i say i step back. if i cannot be clear minded what i'm doing it or i have a come to basic button is us. she said ok so enough back to you when you have

something to say to me. yeah, yeah, yeah. okay. so the female is that i've been asking myself, this tenants will genetically, will they go down, maybe the lizzy met, and at the end of the big society, we don't return that. we understand life was so different types of diverse and we still kind of fully understand who we are. and so yes, i know we need this guidance as well. my own point of view, every time we talk about the tenants on july the same and i agree with them, i came into the profession, but then i thought to myself, just now living with me for my mom wasn't beautiful. just not even saw the end of the day, we should still be able to make some changes have to be going in society. mm hm. so yeah, yeah. kind of see us. yeah. guides. well, isn't that dangerous though? i mean, at what point do you throughout the day, you still need to put things into consideration, go, ethical values, go morals. what do you know what you're being hammered and to be been because i feel like those things come to play every profession without doing anything without football. when you are in here at the tons of crossing everything you do, and i'm able to verify on the, the cost which, which i take my pictures always shows that my pictures don't. i don't know how well

you don't. so i'm seeing that when you are always reflecting the work you do. so i guess the could be dangerous. i really, i haven't been in this space nearby to help us both white glove. what i'm seeing that is the, on this being yourself to know that we can do that my, this is what i'm willing to do. i know we have to take a risk, we won't. so if i have the vote by risk that we're taking by different people, i agree, i think we're making this huge mistake. okay, by letting people define what 10 out of them is for us. this is what about any ivy league schools? the thing though in which he now tents demos into the defined by use the site at the end of the the how does the, which you to lead to the progress of that. so site. so what might be done that lives in the gym i lives? i mean i married might be a different type of gen as an email for it. so what kind of generally thing would you suggest to be helping africa? i am suggesting that your journalism should be fine, but you'll people, you'll, people need more drinking more to get that for them. whatever it takes to get that for them. get in for that really means that developed one back. i've been getting for them to get it for the is really disagreeing with you. let me hear your voice.

and that's my brother from the neighboring countries. i grew with you so much. i mean, it's not because i don't agree with the funds that's known in john this the him have tried to show that he didn't take that by the way. so i am really that it is what we do in front of it all the way from the news rooms into the academic. we do need some level polls from it doesn't matter. we do need some level of found that yeah, i'm those done that dictates that there should be a very clear line on what he's on. what's his notes? for example, what will then differentiate thoughts from the publics? we call them if we sound the same way. if we don't have any types of sun that, i mean, just imagine even with those sign up for these type of drinking, what are we having the will that it will be ok to keep drinking live. what that was drunk centuries ago. i'm probably still being drunk drunk now. yeah, i mean, i guess 2 points that hold on enough. no, me,

i want to come to you because let's just ground ourselves in reality here, right? so we have the tenants of generalising perfect. but even be that said that they based on it still becomes difficult to practice and say a country like yours. so are you allowed to color the light outside the lines then? well, um, actually i'm not really allowance, but i do. i do a rebel here. i really, i'm really on social media, so i, i, i'm working for tv press group, of course, but on the side i writes white, i think on my social media platform and on my social media platform, i am myself and i can see what ever i want mm interesting, yeah. are you able to separate your identity as a journalist from your phone line plus the 90 to you down to do that? because when i see you online, i'll see the general is naomi. yes, you see the jump, the least, but i do with a different way. when i'm going to be presenting, for example, i have to follow the rules. i just come to keep fox. that's all on my social media

platform. i comments the fact i see my minds but not in a way that we've puts me in um, in a venture situation. so you have to bring your toes between activism and journalism . right? yes, i mean the medium. yeah. but enough doesn't just make it a very dangerous situation then because we have the rules, but then we have thing, we can break them when it's not convenient for us. so when does, society does not have struck just for us? and we're saying, oh, by the way, when i'm out of the news room, then i can see what i want you have to actually or so how do i do my way in the way that did come me and get to me to cods means that you asked me some more for sizes from the gen i missed a point into the active is doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of and it doesn't because at the end of the whatever evidence you produce at the end of the day to be a part of the law that will sit down when that duty gets for bearings. i have taken so many people in to do, and i did it with my own when they had the own lawyers. and i loved it because it's also a test of your integrity, testable,

how own must your gemma live. them is. everybody should be given an opportunity to come and defend himself. this, as you'll be doing, this is how you story. this is how you plan to steal and i'm such a way. i think that should be the way out. ok. the question is, are you on the issue of trust? you might be well, meaning, and perhaps you want to talk about co dean and then your younger audiences that she always leads to was one side. she's untied. governments has on type is how do you balance that out? so you buy these again by those sets of rules that john, at least 6 does not ethical. i mean, i think what, what needs to be me. impactful, john dizzy is not always going, you know, not to be smart. now. i'm not, i'm not serious. i do not identify as one i will never identify as well. can you tell me why? i mean, this is something that is very deeply rooted if you'd like, like sort of like the getting the via large the wrong i find activity it distracts me. when i have to actively care about what people say, oh,

i bought my methyl, it's to the essence where i come to control me. there's no quality control. for example, in my mind, then i have a problem. i will say that you kind of do john museum, doctors impactful. going by the book. i need to still in fact from, i'm an example of that. when i did call dean people with very happy lot with being changed. but guess what? that was. so people that came to see i was paid by a foreign government because i, my son's name is german. so i still got that block on the way people that were to be i previous. what is the french course on these points to the fact of extremism? you will always be called an activities which as well, where you do your journalism. and that is why i refuse the because i have no business being called of fixing into the mode of activity. mm hm. and i in with spend, they don't oh you, yes. because if i was doing the full day and for example,

my name would be what's in these agreements, breeland's b, so forth. but anyway, if somebody doesn't go to do it, does it take away from the work that she did? it doesn't take away a lot of people want to spend too much, but yeah, so i and i'm not allowed to take the tv, but i'm saying my brother and i'm talking about the work that made my mother have 50, made my brother perhaps a few with their families, i have a big i'm, i'm going to say change came and i do, i hardly print those. i've been changed parts when opened offices, where i opened into ports called dean leg jobs with whom i tend to go home to be very and not said that, well that's not change. then my name is not bruno. so i'd like to hear from you all based on the what we've had here today. do you still believe that these, that line between journalism and activism will have you shifted a little bit? let's see, your final thoughts, naomi. i won't change my mind. i still believe that as a journalist, you need to speak about the fox books. you come jesse speak the fox. for

example, if there's a story happening and you know that it's not the true for the government. for example, let's see is giving a version of it. so don't send a need to say out loud, then this is not true. so you, you, you won't be coming, you'll be coming. i'm not to this somehow. you still need to follow the rules. i do agree refer you to follow the rules of don't only thing, not to be in danger, but you need to make the public in the sense that the story is not quite right. okay. let's do it from you. surely, i maintain that there is a line. and for me, what's would be important is that transpired and see that we know which side you're on. if you're a journalist and you, once you activate your journalist, whichever had to put him on, that's what's of a time. that is b p a to your audience. so to have, i was listening to you because of the media personnel or the journalist you have. so much power this to me for looking at to listening to you some even how you want

to evaluate like everything and see the ticket as it is. yeah. okay. almost. yeah, that's fine. um, yes. my own point is we will keep evolving us human beings, right? so as journalist does activates, as advocates, that gary's the end goal is change. what is the goal is to show whatever changes were trans dreadful? well, in looking at the next generation old, going to people who are thinking, so put me into journalism. i think what drives use key for us? it felt like it's appalling, like, this is like, i will see you in jail for room doesn't have seen joe, but you have to just expose the story of what you was coming in to read. you need to ask yourself, why are you tell me what the accolades of the out was? because yes, no good job. you'll be nominated for an enemy. yeah, but that's not why this is because at the end of it there's no need to have gone able to speak with. we've had done a lease, we know awards, i'm lose piece in cost. the story didn't feel in. right. so we don't know what you want to know what, what's happening, story about the floods that it doesn't speak. right? so i don't actually going personally deciding, okay,

i like to see people in general, so i'm going to enjoy it. become a journalist. i love people don't like i'm not gonna be great on top of my face. that's what you want to do then. well, you need to consider why the, what? to what extent do you need to be on there? so you like the essential 90 accolades or you know what, i'm going to do this because of the right thing to do for myself. i used motivation being the can i call you getting it for you? good. all right, go now. so for me, i mean, i, what i thought i quoted me was like, let's get just, i had a brother who was i might be. so that was what motivated me wasn't any of what i think the, i mean was going to call. yeah. but for me, more important is the solution we need to about from the tv shows about this the big spring. so you know, practicing you know, and use in practice. so i want to see the tools. i probably see people don't, but we don't see joe ninety's, old identities, don't people to engage me. they just say you're not cvc. don't know what to do. john is in the all got one should be i'm not supposed to be in the middle because i'm not young, but i'm not old. the ad, so i feel we should try to overcome distributions. i mean, is not a bond, was,

is not something that we kind of speak about. well, she says, let's be transferring. let's try to avoid putting all right in our cells, because the audience sees the proof. i've done these governments already doing that . now guys, the news is your right, an us last but not least. so am i lance? part of my jen. i live them here in gym and i dream then. but once i arrived, i know that was seamless and that coverage. and i've also learned from the bbc world news apart from that the due date, code of ethics guides me as i work. so by the end of the day, i believe that we should ask ourselves the question. when we get into us, piece of that, how do i ensure that i get people don't mean so jen? again, i see you full trans. i see the youth and i want to emphasize that the advertising use of the i'm tired of the roots in the system. yeah. and they want to see a change. yeah. and if we wanted flicking partners or not, various countries, then we have to move towards more activism and i don't see any like the amount of

them and activity on us. thank you so so much. thank you to audience. at the beginning of this debates we us a very simple question. where is the line between activism and journalism? and as one of the people here said, it's just papa k o. so when you try to define those terms, thank you all to a lovely audience here. thank you to kind of look at the usual 14 the, the

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