of these places in europe smashing the rank one step into a bold adventure the treasure map for martin clo. describe it, some of us wriggled, begging sites on youtube. and also the drones far away from the front lines and ukraine, increasingly striking crimea. and even moscow is the russian position, becoming more vulnerable. our russian is getting tired. the main question, which is the system because the rest of society today is why so low? what? so? where is the great structure nami, which was described many times, one of the best in the well, andre felt off as a former deputy foreign minister of russia. he's my guest this week on conflicts own joining us from moscow. how much should the west be concerned about putting closing up with north korea is putting out of options, of course, that that is

a venture as a venture of the nuclear war on korean peninsula. and with more evidence of russian atrocities in ukraine who will be held accountable. andre fail. daughter of welcome to conflicts out thank you. investigations by the you and have been documenting further evidence of russian war crimes and ukraine, including wilful killings, attacks on civilians, unlawful confinement, torture, rape force transferred, and dis, the protections of children. when you were on this program last year, you were asked if you were personally ashamed of what russian soldiers are doing to civilians in ukraine. you said that you didn't have a real picture of what was going on with the picture of brutality. now becoming even clearer, are you ashamed as well, it's more, it's, well, it's a serious war. and of course, there are some cases we can be consider it as i remember that,

but it's was unfortunate. say this will last so long. now it's $572.00 days. and the problem is that this war is becoming more and more powerful. and uh, what is more important. uh, that is clear understanding goes to both sides, the piece will last long. and that's why it's great additional providence. i mean that the us but mister dar, but what about, what about the ukranian children taken to russia? for example. i mean, keith says it has identified almost 20000. russia has refused to provide information about the children or even work with a neutral intermediaries such as the red cross to register and repatriate them. are those children last forever? no, no them up. last, there is a request for great inside to identify the children we choose a be a return to their parents, etc, etc. but of course,

it's still the question which needs most probably outside assistance. because the direct concepts between russia and ukraine and now on the 0 level. and so we are facing goal of appropriate for this. and of course, this question is important for us, because of the decision of the international criminal criminal court. and we would like to clarify this things, but rush, i have a sort of a rush. i have been blocking that outside assistance mr. for field off. uh and in fact, um, as its doing so, it is also targeting or appearing to target civilians and ukraine. schools, markets residences, the united nation, saying that those attacks have been indiscriminate and disproportionate. and in fact, after an official visit to ukraine this month, the you in special rep, a tour on torture, said that russia's armed aggression is becoming synonymous with torture and other in humane cruelty. thankful these grievous acts appear neither random nor

incidental, but rather orchestrated as part of a state policy to intimidate and still fear, punish, and extract information and concessions. who should be held accountable for these grievous acts? oh, this is the question because uh, what is appropriate today. the problem today is uh that, uh, the russian army is in defense position. russ allow me a cannot to stop. it's olga offensive operation. and this was the point. the key point is to increase strikes on ukraine with messiahs, with drones, et cetera. and of course, such kind of strikes will damage both civilian and transport them for such a business and will cost additional. i guess this is

especially, i think it will be reasonable in the coming couple of months because of the war is now turning the more into position war and strikes besides price will be in the main, the main element of the war. but we're talking here about accountability, accountability for what the un describes as a parent, disregard for civilian harm and suffering. what does that account ability right at the top? what about putting there's an icy see investigation and arrest warrant for war crimes already issued, including for both putting and rushes. children's commissioner accusing them of personal responsibility for the abductions of children from ukraine. does anyone care? uh, is a rush. uh french speaking. no one gets too much and then the rest is ignoring uh the warrant, binds, and there's no criminal court. and though, of course, we didn't swim to south africa to rick summit because of this war. and now that is

a big quarrel about this warrants without a man yet we to rectify rome states. but inside russ um there is no such kind of feelings. advice is guilty. i'd like to come back to accountability, but 1st, let's talk a little bit about more about ukraine's counter offensive. the latest attacks in russian occupied crimea in the port of sylvester pole, appears to be the largest on the russians. lexi fleet to base and the 1st known strike on a russian submarine in the conflict. ukraine is trying to cut off russian troops from supply lines. russian troops are becoming more vulnerable here, aren't they? oh, the question is really simple. what's going on there? i can tell you that the, the biggest problem for us today is that russia is in defense. and uh, this influence on many political decisions here as well as music for us. the problem

is that the ukraine are easily receiving a new, effective weapons. and so best of them, well then sure, there's some way in november. don't our smith's house will come through grade. i see no profits for this. this is from my assessment for you on the way. then of course, uh this is uh, making a kremlin much more nervous because this right uh, touching up on the crimea, but the function of different parts of the roster into the must go drones that that's a must go nearly every day. the most go most grades in the labor day. so this is changing the nature. and the problem is the restaurant can also, so it's kind of a challenge not by offensive operations, the ground, but only with the heavy. so if you have some pro telegram channels raising concerns

over the ukranian counter offensive describing a difficult situation at the front uh, successful attacks in crimea, there are below to russia in the past days. ukraine also saying that it has to be taken villages around block moved. how are these moves viewed inside russia? does the general public share of them at all? no general public here. but of course, official propaganda is very effective here, saying that everything is okay that there's no damage for us, etc, etc. reality is that uh, the main question which is existing because the rest on society, that is why so low? why so know where is the great for us and rami, which was described many times one of the best in the world. and of course uh if uh, officially, of course that is a position, then you create an offensive is a big failure. but i know also a point of view from my credit and colleagues was saying, no, yes,

we need 3 too much, but we stopped the russian army movie follow on the right, i'm the rush you last initiative. so what you claim, it's the best, the, the best is the send out that next year. if, if the russians are asking why so long, you know, what do they also think when they're hearing and seeing more drones strikes inside brush itself and putting in moscow where there are reports of drones frequently causing flight delays and even damage? that must be unsettling to civilians, isn't it? of course uh is makes it less than c williams. uh much more notice. uh 1st of all, because of the droll and the fact including uh, effects and what's the most good reason? uh that is nearly every day. the lights on the flights in the morning from all of the most cool uh, airports. of course it's great to problem it's it's, it's great. the question is a glare. great, great. so. so what questions concerning our ad defense, our monthly be solved,

defense, and many people asking about uh, how will we, how we should think about passivity? it would be a 60 within the future. also one of the top questions which is still on the answer is a number of the losses or for us. and i mean in that region in the, in the conflict and, and a minister of defense is keeping it as a be a secret. but when we look at the general philosophy, i mean president loading there's a lot of, he has describes the strikes as just and fair and a way to bring the war home to russia. does he have a point putting, invaded his country and a war of choice? uh, excuse to assist you. excuse me. i think she and the cost of for the rest of the citizens fried, for example, against moscow is in some case, much more important than to place on the front line. yes, this is, this is

a question. this is a question. and the problem is that russia officially is look, considering this the patient as a war against a crane for monday. it's called special be. so at the ration this is a kind of funny story because of special been separation, which is which we are using. give them to but sonic themselves looks much more as a rule. uh and uh, from this point of view, uh, some of the arguments uh, on the rest of the tv on the restroom. asked media that uh, it's not the war if you great, which is in war with watson, my phone for us. it is what officially ross is. nothing was, was a great let's talk a little bit more about the stifling a free speech and a sense because honestly, it has reported some 20000 people in russia have been the target of repressive laws to suppress the country's anti war movement. a sign of desperation from the kremlin,

concerned about the sense, especially with the elections approaching next year. i mean, because if they can't build support for the war, crushed assent. is that what this is a you all right? good, very well. a lot of legislative x and it has been adopted using less. yeah. and then for example, in formal agents impossible to feel before was it was thought that uh, of course, uh that a lot of cases when people on the allow to express their opinion against me directly with this. and this is what is the control over the mass media. this is what it's deeper than that, isn't it? because i mean, the united nations in a recent report just released this week describe the systemic crack down on civil society. there are these reports of a so called re awakening of totalitarian instincts and russian society with people in forming on each other like in the style in era. the opposition, of course,

is silenced jail during the exile. what kind of russian society do you think emerges from this for the 1st of all, i would like to say that political opposition to 14 is simply thought this price. that is no political position for any more. and i don't think that that will be it's not possible in this current situation concerning the coming presidential elections which might took place in march next year. i see, roberts, i see no problems. the problem is only federal what? because as far as i know, some of my many people are saying that in this patient that they, they simply don't want to go and vote so that they can, they will not say the say again, support in oregon as well. but they will just trying to express their point of view of buying on vote. but as i said, oh, i see absolutely no problems for looking to be there that's in the spring next. the

absolutely no problem. let's talk a little bit more about opposition and i'd like to turn to wagner boss. you've got any provision who was able to march a column of tanks within miles of moscow till about a dozen russian airmen. coal rushes, stated reasons for invading ukraine, falls. he has this sort of coltish following, and it's thought support from both the public an inside the military. and then his plane falls out of the sky. do you think that was an accident? the, this, the, i think that this was the next to them. and use this man for many years. i bought the i would like to stress, that's what has happened is very interesting ex, you're in case you guys of appearance. he never said that he wants to, to express them. uh, what was the quote and i spoke last wrong with my offence from one is to change,

minutes is presence in ukraine to understand, she wanted me to recommend to understand that it's a new modem type of the war. the war which is totally different from the images of the 2nd world war. and uh uh, that's why he was accusing 1st of all, uh, minutes or come on to minutes of defense ahead of the general stuff as small capable to understand that because of the model. and of course, we have some serious national conflicts and was the number of the people in russian at least. uh so uh, definitely i don't think it was accidental because even the fact that it has happened just 2 months, 62 months of the few statements does say so it is, does the expect people here think to believe that it was just a coincidence that months after staging that uprising he,

he dropped out his plane dropped out of the sky, or is this really what putting wants them to believe exactly the opposite that put in order to stuff. and it's, as you will use it, as you can see, there was no, any kind of special reaction from kremlin that's consulting services, and that's all and in mind is less and less media. this case is needed for both. now it comes with a sense of what, but it's not forgotten for the kremlin, as i think, as i mean, they've given regional governors the authority now to establish paramilitary units, which could have a role not only in defending borders, but also attacks from insurgents, empty kremlin groups or internal descent, it's just one of a number of restrictive steps from the kremlin that appears aimed at preventing another incident like promotions. wagner uprising is the kremlin, afraid that a figure similar to foreclosure, that might emerge? i don't think so because uh then why would it take those steps?

yeah. okay. so 1st of all, gordon was effect. locksmith was effective, this was a real force. will agree force with that real specialist with that. and what is more important? a lot of military love openly, but by that binds have been on the sides of the garden. so there was a link between big bosses and ministry. this link is not existing anymore with any other product. so the but i mean 3 units, etc, etc. so the main problem that's, that days was link between but it was and possibly meet a 3 was also in site this 5 called to me is called limited tri price is going go. now it's off existing, so it's not going to be then just for kremlin. uh, but uh in the what it was that great and decorating this as groups old in the regions like belle grove, etc, that i'm upgrading that we must going usually,

regents. know, let's talk a little bit more about russia's role in the world worlds because it just rolls out the red carpet for a week long visit with north korea's kim jong on. it's thought that came either has already or could demand technology that could improve the range of his missiles for nuclear weapons or russian satellite and submarine secrets. what does put in want? oh, is to say that is sharply. uh with uh, was kim gibbs visits. i know those korea, but it goes for many, many years. up in the face of the game, he's receiving a very good constance, troublemaker, was it the west mainly for united states for japan. which can be useful very, a very useful and less important policy. but generally, uh, my information is that uh so many, many years to do is

a base in case policy on the, on the understanding is that the world should fall. oh, he's rules. but what, what is this, what the world is concerned about, what the world is concerned about though we have to bring it back to that is, is that there might be an arms deal that comes out of this. russia has gone out of its way to publicize kim's visit dropping repeated hints about the prospect of military cooperation with north korea. for example, russia's defense minister showing who told russian media that moscow is discussing joint and military exercises with north korea. yes, it does not have better cards to play right now than further cozying up with a global parias state but to it on in some areas this is quite effective. uh nuclear. uh, 1st of all, most gloria is a nuclear states that have nuclear weapons of color, legal,

nuclear weapons. it's an illegal program. yes. but, but i've been many times in those korea, so i know it. uh, so uh, concerning or mr. exercise this. yes, i am sure the lexia will have fran gomez for exercises ross to try and then of career. it's a new blog and you kind before the onset, which is now full. and of course, it's a, 1st of all, it's not against you, but it says, it says it's a little fresh on japan and united states. it's all this soviet, but russia has previously supported international sanctions against north korea, 4th unlawful nuclear weapons program. do i hear you correctly? are you saying that that does not mean anything to russia anymore? yes, you're correct, russell. forget about this. isn't this a dangerous game that putting display? it's a, it's a, you're talking good. talking about the destabilization of of the nuclear balance in

asia and beyond the yes, the east because again the currently the and you his father as you his grandfather came in so some way he's, i'm predictable but at the same time no rush. i have some tools going thing, some can of course the that is a venture as a venture of this nuclear war on korean peninsula. so it's, it's really, it's rare to see which is, which was rarity as well for last year as well. so i know it's also thought that an arm c o, between russia and north korea could backfire south korea has a big stock pile of more advanced weapons. it might be convinced to give them directly to ukraine rather than just back filling us weapons. being given to keep it hasn't given to you've arms so far out of fear that it could prompt moscow to aid p on gang. is that even any part of the calculus from moscow?

oh okay, i'm so from uh from uh, south korea is already going through your grades, wyatt countries. it's not the secret, of course of the 10. so we'll go, that's essentially a roll, and i know many people in south korea one now saying that in a south korea. so it's kind of, it's all nuclear weapons as it come from balance. yes, it's raising, it's raising cents. it's raising cents. but it's a big game, it's a big game, a set. it's a game which is, which would be a little bit separated from ukraine. case. it's a big game in the a specific region. and that's, that's the main thing is japan, and not the se, or what is pollutants and game, what does this ends game more broadly speaking, and also specifically in ukraine? because if we just look at the figures, i mean the un estimates that since the invasion began in february last year, nearly $30000.00 civilians having killed thousands of russian soldiers. what can he

still hope to achieve? he hopes to, to miss anything. um can you do at all? uh, it depends on what we can call the the 31st of all when it comes to the g. uh, mr. v. 3, it is nearly impossible. uh to chance this is jason russell needs the 10, just press the d. n, to turn into a total must've strikes all over the grade. this don't ever think what this, what is existing. but of course, this will leave immediately with a much more isolation process and much more appropriate for what else and citizens, for economy, etc, etc. and that's why that is still a hope in moscow, is that a ukraine will not be capable to uh, the last long in this war. rest of course has much more reserves. but uh,

my personal point of view, we are now facing a very clear surveys and that, uh that, uh, that, uh the wall will done in to serve. yes, definitely. you know, put in for many years. do you see anything that could bring him to the negotiating table? what could bring russia to the negotiating table at this stage? absolutely not. uh 40 is a person who will read with on back. if he decides to do something, he will go to them. for him and its position of many aspects in russia, negotiations isn't the people. with what you just said in mind, there are many who are predicting that the russian federation will ultimately collapse because of prudence, war and ukraine. you served as deputy foreign minister in the early ninety's. you've witnessed 1st hands the collapse of the soviet union. do you share that view?

is russia know how the loud? no russians. okay. didn't collapse rusty's heading thoughts. you problems and problems. but um, use of the sense one think a lot of the restroom nation is very much consolidated because they see food in the as a personal saved restaurant from possible rates all glass and from it that from your credit and etc, etc. and this is in the minds of people and will be people, a lot of people, many, many people believe and 14 believe important as assessment will save russia from the aggressive waste for the rest of nato, etc, etc. and this will work, this will work for coming elections, etc, etc. we have to leave in there. we have to leave it there. andre failed off out. thank you so much for joining us on conflicts, and we appreciate your time. thanks. things that we should well the,

the,

the secrets as well just know totally is what is the role in the cop health system . most of age, send them to their, in the, in this line of work to they serve them to organized crime, a rag livingston to the legal chambers of mexico's cl. if you coming up on the w research for a better time,

it is the stinky method scientist to new zealand is performing breast test some sheet to find out how much harmful meant and gas we can't. some sheeps price is more climate friendly honestly, just as successfully breeding the tomorrow. today in 90 minutes on d w. the discovery. change your mind just to click away, find out best document trees on you to see the world, the

subscribe. know to dw documentary evelyn charmaya welcome to my pod cast. last the matter is that i invite celebrities, influenza and experts to talk about all plain loves, thanks and data. and yet today, nothing less the stuff, all these things in more and the new season of the fuck. com. make sure to tune in wherever you get your thoughts costs enjoying the conversation. because you know, it's last matters more than $700.00 children are arrested every year. israel pod line again, tell this to me, and mine is the most common reason throwing stones we talked to former prisoners and on the official

unicef has accused israel of crimes against humanity is the day started september 30th on d, w. the . this is the w news in days around the top stories. ukraine has launched fresh and we saw strikes on the crime in peninsula which russia annexed in 2014. it comes a day off to an attack on most goes blacks, the fleet headquarters into the vast appalled you crying the claims, seeing your russian navy commanders were among thousands killed and wounded in that attack. russia has not consumed any casualties.