in 60 minutes on d w, the words people have to say that's why we listen to every weekend on d w the this week on the 77 percent street to the bait that com, lots of people what, what do you need to do as a result of the weight guides. so you, i mean it's on most of the sites from the gym. i missed the point to each of the active is, doesn't that make you judge jury and executioner? then you kind of do, john, you've invested in proxy, going by the rule. that is why i have no business between into the mode of active design with spend they don't owe you. people want to seem too much. my brother,

i am talking about the work that made my mother have to be made my brother perhaps a few with the front of me and i do. i hardly print those. i've been changed that. well, that's not changed. then my name is don't bruno. hello and welcome back to the 77 percent 3 debate this week. we anybody in africa nor on the threes. we're home to the global medial for i'm one of the leading medium for them globally. it's mostly correct. for those of you who live in africa, the media spaces are usually either not 3 or independent. and for that reason, some generally a forced to do a work that they did not sign up for active between. so today, but we ask, where is that line? if there is one in africa between gender and activism, and today i have a gorgeous condo here with me. look at those applicant kind of on us. let's start with you. what is activism? can you your mind and how does it differ from journalism and those to always be

separated? jim, i'm of them. puts you in that speech swear you get into activism. not because you want and, but you find yourself in that speech. so what's the difference? i the kind of gen i live them, i do is naming shame and jamie and in navigates and i've crossed that pass. i go for had for everything. i got the one that come on, i go into the court of law. and then i testified me to tell people to show it to people, so i don't believe in exclusive gen on it. so my believing gen other than that impacts on this website. so i, gen, of them is a product of this website. and it works because i managed to get people into deal and continental people what, what do you need to do as a result of that? which i do so you can call them. yeah. and that's it list. but i do my gen, i listened and did duff deals into activism. how do you define yourself? so do you see yourself more as an activist or as a junior?

i see myself as i'm active. it's because of the end product that i get. okay, we wanna do you find yourself in do situations as well where you're what sort of places you in situations that you didn't necessarily sign up for you? yes, i do. and i absolutely refuse that time activist, i'm shy away from each i run away from me. why? because there's different types of activities. and i think if you all know play the type of activity. so you all, you do that when you do get into trouble and that line can be seen. i agree with enough. but for me, i also see it as a very big effect. like it's a big gas problem, my french take like so for example, we have different types of activities. you are, you don't active. it's based on your personal conviction. all your pronounce that activities by your job, all by the governments of the day who is upset. that's what you're doing. people can also be active is because of the tension on the cold on me where this,

this increasing from lodi is ation of news. and they have to perform a new way. activism as jo nineties and then find out i think people from the activities somebody activities also of greed because of a read. yes. correct. i said, so i said what i said, okay. unless you have something to add to that, and i totally disagree with the culture. i think that she's not looking at the dean just we fees. there's no point in doing that piece of janet, let somebody get them up and what came up on the same street with that criminal. i see, i will take you to deal. i testify, i should have called everything. and i am speaking from my point of view of being that loyal, and i see that every miscalculation the amount that come by the end of the can lead to death can lead to slates. uh, consequence, we don't become active is because we love it's demo. somebody's little bit cheap, but it's a serious business. i do have your rebuttal. i have to say, i do cut activism from the perspective of the don't toby drill, 94 cubes, put the new drone on me. so i know the 1st time what i mean,

my own father was 15 years ago for being a drone on his he wasn't even on investigating john and so you can't even get killed for being they call them is a part of the yeah, well, have another female, i don't want to seize. i have to send my family out of the country when i did speak speak building, for example. they know what to do, the full audience. can you please tell us what seems to be put in was about me 3 quoting wasn't investigation, answered the phone, my physical cartel, that cell coding on it was on the cobra as well. and at last with change and coding was funds, we think 24. i was still seeing some of the benefits, although that doesn't stop the drugs people move on to that room. what i said is to say, i have a clue there. i'm, i'm leaving with the front of a family member died. i'm always what you, my boss. nobody knows i was coming to boston for example, i just show up when i pull stuff down social media. well, i'd say these to say when you mix these activities in the problems that home we see it means it's no longer losing the way or not. so this is very different,

but i'm talking about the pop pull out. we will talk about this as tightly stick devices need to, but i don't think we have answer that question yet. now me, maybe you can help me. i'm speaking about fathers would be jewels because of joint is it yours is one of them. yeah. so the shrinking mediaspace infinity, do you see yourself more as an activist or as a journalist because your cutting between these walls right? yes, absolutely. um, i think i would rather define myself as an activity and i'm not, i'm not ashamed. so, so you see yourself 1st as an activist, then as a gen. yeah. okay. because i believe you don't have to be a journalist to be an activist. so i am a daughter of an activist, he's a john, the least. he has found the, the privates press, the 1st private press group in building. and he was always seen as an activity he was. and the police custody be on times. and he's to you standing advice. thank god for that. yeah. and so i'm trying to follow the fast,

but also to of my own personality, i sent a yes identity as well, but i'm older, i'm a journalist, but i'm also an activities, but i have to be careful. yeah, of course. okay, so we've had some impressions from beginning nigeria and gone to, but we also ask people from around the continental colleagues went around asking them how is the media space in your country? and this is what they have to say. the new government. sometimes the line between generalization and activities and can be blogs. for instance, many media organizations are owned by politicians with an agenda. now these employee, as i've said to have it feed inflates from the reporting by the journalist. they how you sometimes and criticized politicians in state that you've done at least for being present. jordan, the 70 has previously described. private media outlets in them is by to some

colleagues into media proficient. how will flip joins punches on 4 digits, to date. some of the most prominent politicians, both in the government and deal position, such a different demo with several newspapers, an over a $150.00 pages on regular channels, diverse media landscape. and while the posting in politics and media and assess the press here is still relatively free and able to criticize authority. one same as kind of an example of an act of a stern list. is that the one photographer who turn to activism, author of experience a report on kenya is post alexis island, who would let them know and for driving, takes all the way to parliament. and putting the words antiques for overindulging members of parliament. and so what could decide from the powers that be may not be easy and tenure costs of many turn. let's take on corruption by politicians and probably for free. so it's a major problem in gonna, it's affects the ordinary preston for life. what's a, what's a good, good policy,

holstead, quality education and mini mall. not reporting about this issue father due to obtain a list. and that's what is that look for getting gen olives, and that's really a one now. but it's fairly on in his car. yeah. for about 2 decades. a goal for guessing concrete evidence to prosecute such a fish out. nancy, i to go on that. com. so she didn't have to come again, at least in dream, that amount to corruption actively as what he said by governments, with some public officials, declaring him an enemy of the space. and so now known gradstaff unless hasn't become just a multi media documentary, myka fox now and leading activities for the ordinary people, look up to for sundays, and protecting them from the girl. and i've used that, we've just seen that, but not through been mentioned. i'm so just to contextualize, you know, why is it that done this specifically in africa turned into activities. i'm just

trying to figure out sort of like what the social changes the to calling for and why the journalist has a want to do it. and i think that says a for the general is, is much more flu set to the people you listen to them and you realize that no mountain that assumes as income i believe being, being sold and doing that piece of work and seem to the benefits. what society deprives from that piece of work. and so if i have done no mountain of which would have been just published and what's normal generally, the amount of them would mean that you have identified your thoughts as you've gotten the information. you put it out there and you can allow the rest of the states institutions to take care of it and see that states institutions equally handicapped as we add, just as we ask dana. so i don't see anything wrong with taking one step forward home to meet the prosecutor. i am, i do not possess by a police by way,

so far as if i find that criminal at that point, i wanted to kill that be. there's nothing wrong with putting a hunch to get an a showing that the guy has busted, and i don't see anything wrong we've just done before it part of little, if you believe in that piece of work that you have done, why can't you defend it before i bought over, oh okay, well if i just find that and i'm pull that next, if it's so be i'm proud of it and he's good. all right, so and this is very proud of the what the he does say normal journalism doesn't cuts it well. i know you have a different opinion about this. well, well, yes i do, but it's just, it's still in line. we're discussing the sense that activist activism is like, we check before it's more about, you know, campaigning actively about something for change. you don't political or social change, but you want something to change. that's what you're doing, what you're doing. yes, i agree with the fact that the individuals think that they need to be active if they let them be a, let them be proud and let them much show themselves to find that ok, then it's gonna have to be spending more likely. it's important that people are

going to start with the operate time because that's the only way to do good work. because if you claim to be something else because of what the ideal defined by society and to be politically correct, you are this your so by the end of the day, you're going to be below with yourself as mine in your right. so i didn't, nobody's going to struggle with be your self and go peace of mind that you lose when you do or need to move points is with a activism is right or wrong. i'm not going to define that without the book is the way to go. i'm not going to define it. i'm saying if this is where you are now, then beat them beat with your full chest. mm hm. yeah. until then, how do you maintain the integrity, right? so if i'm covering gender issues, i'm a woman, i definitely have a bias of that. how do i make sure these in line? and i'm not just advocating for women, and i am just being a journalist for every article you write to run me by somebody else. you should always have a comfortability part and ask you to run you by somebody else to check. you didn't know that integrity is important for you to run you by somebody else moving or by us knowing that you've done to the best of your own ability. well being we have an opening. it doesn't make you sense less us to be. you still have it thought process,

you can still think through. we to say, i still need to find balance to this truth. also this view point. ok, well let's see. i do have the press inside when, if i believe you don't know if that's the basic thing, joe not isn't what, that's the big. that's a basic tenant in the work we do. okay, let me show you. i see, you know, think do you have some things to say to me? i completely agree with some of the sentiments that one has um, no of the key on the ones that i agree with. okay. i also think that it's to have between being a journalist and being an active, it's alexis that you need to be very trust barnes, and be very honest with yourself. when would others when you're switching one hutch for the ad. okay, how do you do that practically realistically? yeah. one of something like the other thing i could, that's what you said is the mazda of conflict of interest. if i'm too emotionally involved in something, and i know that it's going to uh to affect the outcome of, of, of the product of, of what if i'm doing that it's a lot, i say, i said, but if i tend to be clear minded what i'm doing it or i have a come to a basic button as she said, okay,

so enough back to you when you have something to say to me. yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. so the female is that i've been asking myself, this tenants will genetically, will they go down meetings all of the met and the end of the big society? we can't retain that. we understand life was so different than so diverse and we still kind of fully understand who we are. and so yes, i know we need this guidance as well. my own points of view. every time we talk about the tenants, i'm just not the same. and i agree with them, i came into the profession, but then i thought to myself, just now using was made for my mom wasn't beautiful. janelle is inside the end of the day, we should still be able to make some changes as we go into site. mm. hm, so yeah, got tied up. yes. yeah, guides. well, isn't that dangerous though? i mean, at what point do you throughout subject to the end of the day, you still need to put in cost into consideration go ethical values, go morals. what do you know? what you're being hammered to be been because i feel like those things come to play every profession without doing anything without football. when you are in here at the thames of crossing everything you do and i'm able to verify on the, the hots which i take my pictures always shows in my pictures on, i don't know how what those. so i'm seeing the who you are always reflect in the

work you do. so i guess the could be dangerous. i really, i haven't been in this space to talk about stuff like that, but i'm seeing that it's the only thing yourself to know that i can do that. my, this is what i'm willing to do. i don't mean to take a risk. they won't so far has a bolt by risk that we're taking by different people. i agree. i think we're making this huge mistake. ok, by letting people define what 10 out of them is for us. this is what i'm out in the i believe. school sitting though in the mountains demo, is going to be defined by your site at the end of the the how does the weight you to lead to the progress of that. so site. so what might be done that lives in the gym? and as i mean, how married might be that different type of gen other than enough or so what kind of generalising would you suggest to be helping africa? i am suggesting that your journalism should be fine, but you'll people, you'll, people need more drinking more to get that for them. whatever it takes to get that for them. get in for that really means that developed one back of it and get it for them to get it for the is really disagree with you. let me hear your voice and

that's my brother from the neighboring countries. i disagree with you so much. i mean, this is not because i don't agree with the fact that known in john is the him have tried to show that he didn't take that by the way. so for me that it is what we do in front of it all the way from the news rooms into the academic. we do need some level way above that pulls from it doesn't matter. we do need some level of found that yeah, i'm those done. the big thing is that there should be a very clear 9 on what is on, what's his notes. for example, what well then differentiates all from the publics. we call them if we sound the same way, if we don't have any types of sound that, i mean, just imagine even with those sign up for the type of drinking, what are we having the will that it would be ok to keep drinking live. what that was drunk centuries ago. i'm probably still being drunk drunk. not. yeah. i mean, i guess your point hold on enough. no. me,

i want to come to you because let's just ground ourselves in reality here. right? we have the tennis objectives in perfect. but even be that's kind of based on it still becomes difficult to practice and say a country like yours. so are you allowed to color the light outside the lines then? well, um, actually i'm not really allowance, but i do, i do a rebel here. i really, i'm really on social media, so i, i, i'm working for tv press groups, of course, but on the side i writes white, i think on my social media platforms and on my social media platform, i am myself and i can see what ever i want hm, interesting, yeah. are you able to separate your identity as a journalist from your online person? i need to yeah. down to blue. that's because when i see you online, i'll see the gender. this new me. yes. you see the jump, the least, but i do with the different way. when i'm going to be presenting, for example, i have to follow the rules. i just come to keep fox. that's all on my social media

platform. i comments the fact i see my minds but not in a way that we puts me in, in a venture situation. so you have to bring your toes between activism and journalism . right? yes, i mean the medium. yeah. but enough doesn't just make it a very dangerous situation then because we have the rules, but then we have the thing, we can break them when it's not convenient for us. so when the society does not have structures for us, and we say, oh, by the way, when i'm out of the news room, then i can say whatever i want, you have to actual. so how do i do my way in a way that did come past me and get to me to cods means that you asked us most of the size from the gen i missed the point into the active is doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of and it doesn't because at the end of the day, whatever everythings you produce at the end of the day to be a part of the law that will sit down when that duty gets go very. i have to control many people in to do. and i did it with my own when they had the own lawyers, and i love it because it's also

a test of your integrity test hold. how on missed your gen, i live them is. everybody should be given an opportunity to come and defend himself . this, as you'll be doing this is how you story. this is how you plan to steer. and i'm such a way. i think that should be the way out. ok. the question is, are you on the issue of trust? you might be well, meaning, and perhaps you want to talk about co dean and then your younger audiences that she always leads to was one side to unplug. government has on type is how do you balance that out? so you buy these again by those sets of rules that don't, that mistake, that's not ethical. i mean, i think what, what needs to be me impactful john is in, is not always, don't, you know, not to be some, i know. i'm not, i'm not serious. i do not identify as one i will never identify as well. can you tell me why? i mean, this is something that is very deep. you said you do you like like sort of like just oh yeah, just in the via large the wrong i find activity seem distract me when i

have to actively care about what people say. oh, i bought my met thoughts to the x ends, where i kind of control me. there's no quality control. for example, in my mind, then i have a problem. i will say that you kind of do john museum doctor's impactful. going by the book. i need to still in fact from i'm an example of that. when i did quote, dean, people were very happy with being changed. but guess what? that was. so people that came to see i was paid by a foreign government because i, my son's name is jeremiah. so i still got that block under way people that were to see i've seen before in the french course on these points to the fact of extremism . you will always be called an activities which as well where you do your journalism. that is why i refuse the because i have no business being called of fixing into the mode of activity. mm hm. and i in with spend, they don't. oh you,

yes. because if i was doing the full day and for example, my name would be between visibility breeland's piece of work. but anyway, if somebody doesn't go to do it, does it take away from the work that she did? it doesn't take a weird by the people want to spend too much, but to the site and on the tv. but i'm saying, my brother, you know, i'm talking about the work that made my mother have 50, made my brother perhaps a few with the front of me. i have it 6 i'm, i'm going to say change came and i do. i hardly print those. i've been changed parks where a fund offices where i opened into port, quote, dean, lead jobs for 4 months with to go home to be very and not said that, well that's not change. then my name is not bruno. so i'd like to hear from you all based on the what we've heard here today. do you still believe that these, that line between journalism and activism, or have you shifted a little bit? let's see, your final thoughts naomi. i won't change my mind. i still believe as a journalist, you need to to speak about the facts. but you come jesse speak the fox. for

example, if there's a story happening and you know that it's not the true for the government's like some policies, giving a version of its own saying we need to say out loud that this is not true. so you, you, you won't be coming. you'll be coming. i'm not to this somehow. you still need to follow the rules. i do agree refer you to follow the rules of don't only thing, not to be in danger, but you need to make the public understands that the story is not quite right. okay, let's do it from you. surely. i maintain that there is a line. and for me, what would be important is that's to inspire and see that we know which side you're on. if you're a journalist and you, once, you're an activist, you're journalist, whichever had you putting on, that's what's about time. that is, be clear to your audience. so to have a listening to you because of the media pushing it or they've done. and if you have so much power, there's so many for looking at to listening to you,

some even how you want to evaluate like everything and say they take it as it is. yeah. okay. almost. yeah, that's why i'm, yes. my own point is we will keep evolving us human beings, right. so i'm going to lose those activities as advocates that gary still in goal is change of political, social, whatever changes we're trying to drive for. well, in looking at the next generation old, going to people who are thinking, so call me into journalism. i think what drives use key for on has it talk like it's a call him like this is i will see you in jail for ronald. doesn't have seen joe, but she has to just expose the story about you was coming in. so you do, you need to ask yourself, why are you coming for the actual needs of the i was because yes, do good job. you'll be nominated for an enemy. yeah. but that's not why that is, because at the end of it there's no need to go and able to speak with. we've had done a lease, we know awards lose piece in cost. the story didn't feel in. right? so we don't know what you want to know of what's happening. story about the floods that it doesn't speak right. so i said don't actually going personally deciding ok

. i like to see people in general, so i'm going to enjoy it. become a journalist. i love people don't like i'm not gonna be great on top of my face. that's what you want to do then. well, you need to post on why the, what's, what extent do you need to be on there? so you like the essential 90 accolades or you know what, i'm going to do these because of the right thing to do for myself. i used motivation being the can i call you getting it for you? good. all right, so now, so for me, i mean, what i thought i quoted me was like, let's get just, i had a brother who was i might be. so that was what motivated me wasn't any of what i didn't know the, i mean what's going to call. yeah. but for me, more important is the solution we need to about from the tv shows about this, the big spring. so you know, practicing, you know, i'm using practice so i want to see the tools. i probably see people don't, but we don't see jo ninety's, old identities. don't people engage. they just say you're not cbs. you don't know how to do drugs into you don't got one should be, i'm not supposed to be in the middle because i'm not young, but i'm not old either the sound. so i feel we should try to overcome distributions

between these multi brand was, is not something that we kind of speak about what she says, let's be transferring. let's try to avoid putting all right in our cells, because the audience sees the proof. i've done these governments already doing that now. i've been using the all right, and the last but not least. so i lance, part of my jen, i live them here in gym and i dream then. but once i arrived, i know that was seamless and that come again i will to lend from the bbc or come apart from that the due date for the if i take the guides me as i was. so at the end of the day, i believe that we should ask ourselves that question. when we get into us piece of that, how do i ensure that i get the bottom? and so jen again, i see a you full trans. so i see the youth, and i want to emphasize that the after time i was the i'm tired of the roots in system. yeah. and they want to see a change. yeah. and if we wanted flicking partners or not, various countries, then we have to move towards more activism and i don't see any line of them and

activities on us. thank you so so much. thank you to audience at the beginning of this debates, we us a very simple question. where is the line between activism and journalism? and as one of the people here said, it's just papa k o. so when you try to find the sun. thank you all to a lovely audience here. thank you to kind of it's and the usual. thanks. i the the

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