as well then progress as top calls to everyone who wants to know more about this topic. that concerned about this story is beyond the headline world in progress. the w talked cost this week on the 77 percent street debate, continental people. what, what do you need to do as a result of that white guided? so we want some more for, aside from the gen i missed the point into the active is, doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of and you kind of the drum using that as in boy by the rule. that is why i have no business between into the mode of active design with spend you don't owe you. people want to spend too much my brother and i'm talking about the work that made my mother have to be made. my

brother, perhaps a few with their families, nigeria have different lives. i've been changed, that will not change. then my name is not bruno. hello and welcome back to the 77 percent streak debate this week. we anybody in africa nor on the streets? we have home to the global media for i'm one of the leading medium firms globally. thank you. it's no secret to those of you who live in africa. the media spaces are usually either not 3 or independent. and for that reason, some general is a forced to do a work that they did not sign up for activities. so today we're going to ask, where is that line if there is one in africa between journalism and activism? and today i have a girl just found out here with me, look at those applicant, kind of a nice. let's start with you. what is activism in your mind and how does it differ from generally a cut? those to always be separated. gentlemen,

something puts you in that speech sway you gets into activism, not because you want, but you find yourself in that speaks. so what's the difference? i that kind of, gen, i live them. i do is naming shaming and gaming and in navigates and i've crossed that path. i go for had for everything. i got the one that covered. i go into the court of law and then i testified to tell people to show to people. so i don't believe in exclusive gen on some, i believe in gen other than that impacts on this website. so my gen of them is a product of this website. and it works because i managed to get people into deal and that complex of people what, what do you need to do as a result of the work i do so you can call me, i might suggest, but i do my gen allison and it feels into active as a, how do you define yourself? so do you see yourself more as an activist or as a junior? i see myself more as i'm active is because of the end product that i get. okay,

we wanna do you find yourself into situations as well, where you're what sort of places you in situations that you didn't necessarily sign up for you? yes, i do. and i absolutely refuse that tag activist. i'm shy away from me to i run away from me. why? because there's different types of activities and i think you feel no play the type of activity. so you all you do, that's when you do get into trouble and that's a line can be seen. i agree with enough, but for me, i also see it as a very big effect. like it's a big gas problem my french take like so for example, we have different types of activities. you are you done. active is based on your personal conviction. all your pronounce that activities by your job, all by the governments of the day who's upset about what you're doing. people can also be activities because of the icons showing economy where there's this increase in time, low valuation of news, and they have to press so many ways active the same as jo ninety's. i didn't find

out, i think people from the activity still 90 somebody activities, also of greed because it's of a read. yes. correct. like i said, so i said what i said, okay. unless you have something to add to that. and i totally disagree with the thing because i think that she's not looking at the dean just we fees. there's no point in doing that piece of demo. somebody gets him up and what came up on the same street with that criminal. i see i will take you to deal. i testify, i should have called everything and i am speaking from my point of view of being that loyal. mm hm. and i see that every miscalculation the member coverage in and out of them can lead to desks, can lead to sleep consequences. we don't become active. it's because we love a demo. something's not that cheap, but it's a serious business. i do have your rebuttal. i have to say, i do cut activism from the perspective of the don't tell the dro, nineties, what's cubes for being a drone. and so i know this time what i mean my will find out what field 15 years ago for being a drone on his he wasn't even an investigative journalist,

so you can't even get killed for when they call them. it's a part of the. yeah, well have another female. i know what disease i have just said my front of me out of the country when i did sweet, sweet clothing, for example. they know what to do, but for, for our audience, can you please tell us what seems to be put in was a both we 3 coding was an investigation answer from us. so to cool cartel, that cell coding on it was on the cobra as well. and knows what change, including what funds we think $24.00. i was still seeing some of the benefits, although that doesn't stop the drugs people move on to that room. what i said is to say, i have a clue that i'm leaving with the front. a family member died. i'm always watching my box and nobody knows i was coming to a button. for example. i just show up on my full staff sounds which are on media. well, i said is to say when you mix these activities in the problem is that home we see it means it's no longer the way i'm not does. this is very different, but i'm talking about the pop pull out. we, we'll,

we'll talk about this as tightly stick devices later, but i don't think we have answer that question yet. naomi, maybe you can help me on speaking about fathers would be jewels because of done is if yours is one of them. yeah. so the shrinking media spacing pending, do you see yourself more as an activist or as a journalist because your cutting between these wells, right? yes, absolutely. um i think i would rather define myself as an activities and i'm not, i'm not ashamed. so, so you see yourself 1st as an activist, then as a gen, yeah, okay. because i believe you don't have to be a journalist to be an activist. so i am a do to off an activities ease of john the least. yeah, sounds the private press, the 1st private press group in beginning and the was always seen as an activity see was and the police custody be on times any steel standing and i thank god for that . yeah. and so i'm trying to follow the path, but also to of my own personality i sent to yes identity as well,

but i'm ok, i'm a journalist, but i'm also in activities, but i have to be careful. yeah, of course. okay, so we've had some impressions from beginning nigeria and gone to, but we also ask people from around the continental colleagues went around asking them how is the media space in your country? and this is what they have to say. the new gun. sometimes the line between generalization and activities and can be blogs for instance, many mediocre nights visions are owned by politicians with an agenda. now these employee, as i've said, is to have it feed conflicts on the reporting by the journalist they hire. sometimes in criticized politicians in state that use journalist or being present to him, stephanie has previously described private media outlets enemies, but also some colleagues in the media proficient. how will flip joins punches on 4 digits to some of the most prominent politicians,

both and the government and the opposition. such a different demo with several newspapers in over a $150.00 tv and regular channels has a pretty diverse media landscape. and well, that's those things in politics and media on a ship. the press here is still a relatively free and able to put aside for parts one same as kind of an example of an act of a stern list. is that that's one of the telephone who turned to activism, author the experience of reports and i'm kind of just post election violence with let them know and for driving, takes all the way to parliament and putting the words antiques for overindulging members of parliament. and so what could decide in the powers that be may not be easy and 10? yes, it's still a task, but many turn, let's take hold corrupt seemed by politicians and political push out. it's a major problem in gonna, it's affects the ordinary pressing for life for trouble. it's all good, good policy halls, good quality education and mini mall. now reporting about these issues. how did you

receive of jenn i live? and that's what's exactly what's going in general is not really a one now, but it's fairly own in his car. yeah. for about 2 decades ago, i guess a concrete evidence of prosecute such a fish out meant he had to go on the combat. he didn't come in at least in doing that, but i'm not that corruption actively as what he said by governments with some public official letterhead. and then i, me all the space and if it, so now no glass top on last hasn't become, does a multi media, the commentary, myka box now, and leading activities for the ordinary people. look up to, for sundays, and protecting them from the girls and abuse. this we've just seen that but not to be mentioned. and so just to contextualize, you know, why is it that gender specifically in africa turned into active? i'm just trying to figure out sort of like what the social changes are that you are

calling for. and why the journalist doesn't want to do it. and i think that says a for the general is, is much more little set to the people. you listen to them. and you realize that no mountain that isms, i think cuts, i believe in being sold and doing a piece of work and seem to the benefits what society deprives from that piece of work. and so if i have done no mountain of which would have been just published and what's, what's normal generally, the amount of them would mean that you have identified your thoughts as you've gotten the information. you put it out. and you can allow the rest of the states institutions to take care of it and see that states institutions equally handicapped. as we add, just as we ask dana to, i don't see anything wrong with taking one step forward home to meet the prosecutor . i am, i do not possess the way of police by way so far as if i find the criminal at that corner wanting to kill,

that'd be. that's my thing. what would put in our hands to get an a showing that the guy has busted and i don't see anything wrong we've just done before it part of law. if you believe in that piece of work that you have done, why can't you defend it before i bought it from? oh, okay, well if i just find it and i'm pull that, i'm active, it's so be, i'm proud of it and he's good. all right, so and this is very proud of the, what's the, he does say normal journalism doesn't cuts it well, i know you have a different opinion about this. well, well, yes i do, but it's just, it's still in line with what we're discussing. the sense that active is activism is likely check before it's more about, you know, campaign in actively about some people change, you know, political or social change, but you want something to change. that's what you're doing, what you're doing. yes, i agree with the fact that people in the visuals think that they need to be active because they let them be a let them be proud and let them much show themselves to find that ok, then it's gonna have to be any more likely it's important that people are going to start with the are per time because that's the only way to do good work. because if you claim to be something else because of what the ideal defined by society and to

be politically correct, you are this your so by the end of the day, you're going to be below it yourself off mind in your right. so i didn't, nobody's going to struggle with be your self and go peace of mind that you lose when you do or need to add my own points is with a activism is right or wrong. i'm not going to define god without book is the way to go. i'm still going to define it. i'm saying if this is where you are now, then be some beats with your food chips. mm hm. yeah. until then, how do you maintain the integrity? right? so if i'm covering gender issues, i'm a woman, i definitely have a bias of that. how do i make sure these on line? and i'm not just advocating for women, and i am just being a journalist for every obstacle. you're ready to run me by somebody else. you should always have accountability, park, and ask you to run you by somebody else to check you. i didn't know that integrity is important for you to run you by somebody else moving or by us knowing that you've done to the best of your own ability. well being we, being comfortable, pinto doesn't make you sense less us to be. you still have it thought process, you can still think through. we to say, i still need to find balance to this truth. also this view point. ok,

well let's see. i do have the press inside when, if i believe you don't know if that's the basic thing you're not using. well that's a big, that's a basic kind of in a work we do. okay, let me show you. i see, you know, doing, do you have something to say to me? i completely agree with some of the sentiments that one has um no um of the key on the ones that i agree with. okay. i also think that it's to have between being a journalist and being an active it's unless you say you need to be very transference and be very honest with yourself when with others, when you're switching one hutch for the ad. okay, how do you do that practically realistically? yeah. one of sounds like the other thing i could add to what you said is the mazda of conflict of interest to emotionally involved in something. and i know that it's going to uh to affect the outcome of, of, of the product of, of what if i'm doing that, it's a lot. i say i step back. if i cannot be clear minded what i'm doing it or i have a come to a basic button as she said, ok, so enough back to you when you have something to say to me. yeah, yeah, yeah. okay. so the female is that i've been asking myself,

this tenants will genetically, will they go down? maybe the lizzy met, and at the end of the big society, we don't return that. we understand life was so different than so diverse i, we still kind of fully understand who we are and so yes, i know we need these guidance as well. my own point of view, every time we talk about the tenants on july the same and i agree with them, i came into the profession, but then i thought to myself, just now living with me for my mom wasn't beautiful. just not even saw the end of the day, we should still be able to make some changes have to be going in society. mm hm. so yeah, ton of guides. well, isn't that dangerous though? i mean, that's what point do you throughout the day, you still need to put in course into consideration go ethical values, go morals. what do you know what you're being hammered to be been because i feel like those things come to play every profession without doing anything without football. when you are in here at the tons of crossing everything you do, and i'm able to verify on the, the cost which, which i take my pictures always shows that my pictures don't. i don't know how, what you've done. so i'm seeing that when you are always reflecting the work you do so yes, the could be dangerous. i really,

i haven't been in this space nearby to help us both white glove. what i'm seeing, that is the, on this being yourself to know that we can do that my, this is what i'm willing to do, and i'm willing to take a risk. we won't so far has it won't buy risk that we're taking by different people . i agree, i think we're making this huge mistake. okay, by letting people define what 10 out of them is for us. that my wisdom is more about in the ivy league schools. the thing though in which he now tents demo is going to be defined by your site at the end of the, the how does the, which you to lead to the progress of that. so site. so what might be done that lives in the gym and as i mean, how married might be that different type of gen as an email for it. so what kind of journalism would you suggest we have in africa? i am suggesting that your journalism should be fine. but you'll people, you'll, people need more drinking more to get that for them. whatever it takes to get that for them. get in for that leaving means that developed one back i've been getting for them will get it for the is really disagreeing with you. let me hear your voice . i'm not my brother from the neighboring countries. i respect grew,

refuse so much. i mean, it's not because i don't agree with the funds that's known in john this. the him have tried to show that he didn't take that by the way. so i am assuming that it is what we do in front of it all the way from the news rooms into the academic. we do need some level polls from it doesn't matter. we do need some level of found that yeah, i'm those done that dictates that there should be a very clear line on what is on. what's his notes? for example, what will then differentiate thoughts from the publics we cover? if we sound the same way, if we don't have any types of sun that i mean, just imagine even with those kind of what these type of drinking water we have in the world, that it would be ok to keep drinking live. what that was drunk centuries ago. i'm probably still being drunk drunk now. yeah, i mean, i guess 2 points that hold on enough. no, me, i want to come to you because let's just ground ourselves in reality here, right? so we have the tenants of generalising perfect,

but even be that said that they've based on it still becomes difficult to practice and say a country like yours. so are you allowed to color the light outside the lines then? well, um, actually i'm not really allowance, but i do, i do a rebel here. i really, i'm really on social media. so i, i, i'm working for press groups of course, but on the side i writes white, i think on my social media platform and on my social media platform, i am myself and i can see what ever i want. mm. interesting. yeah. are you able to separate your identity as a journalist from your online personality? yeah, definitely do that. because when i see you online, i'll see the general is naomi. yes, you see the jump, the least, but i do with a different way. when i'm going to be presenting, for example, i have to follow the rules. i just come to keep fox. that's all on my social media platform. i comments the fact i see my minds but not in

a way that we've puts me in um, in a venture situation. so you have to pick your toes between activism and journalism . right? yes, i mean the medium. yeah. but enough doesn't just make it a very dangerous situation then because we have the rules, but then we have thing, we can break them when it's not convenient for us. so when does, society does not have struck just for us? and we're saying, oh, by the way, when i'm out of the news room, then i can see what i want you have to actually or so how do i do my way in a way that did come past me and gets into cuts means that you asked me some more for size from the jump i missed the point into the active is doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of and it doesn't because at the end of the whatever evidence you produce at the end of the day to be a part of the law that will sit down when that judy gets for very i have taken so many people in to do, and i did it with my own when they had the own lawyers. and i loved it because it's also a test of your integrity test hold. how on missed your gen, that of them is everybody should be given an opportunity to come and defend himself

. this, as you'll be doing, this is how you story. this is how you plan to steal. and i'm such a way. i think that should be the way out. ok. the question is, are you on the issue of trust? you might be well, meaning, and perhaps you want to talk about co dean and then your younger audiences that she always leads towards one side. she's untied governments has on type is how do you balance that out? so you buy these again by those sets of rules that don't, that mistake, that's not ethical. i mean, i think what, what needs to be me. impactful. john dizzying is not always going, you know, not to be smart. now. i'm not, i'm not serious. i do not identify as one i will never identify as well. can you tell me why? i mean, this is something that is very deeply rooted if you'd like, like sort of like just oh yeah, just in the via large the wrong i find activity it distracts me when i have to actively care about what people say. oh, i bought my methyl,

it's to the essence where i kind of control me. there's no quality control. for example, in my mind, then i have a problem. i will say that you kind of do john museum doctor's impactful. going by the book. i need to still in fact from i'm an example of that when i did call dean people with very happy lot with being changed. but guess what? that was to people that came to see i was paid by a foreign government because i, my son's name is german. so i still got that block on the way people that were to be i previous. what is the french course on these points to the fact of extremism? you will always be called an activities which as well, where you do your journalism. and that is why i refuse the because i have no business being called of fixing into the mode of activity. mm hm. and are in with spend, they don't. oh you, yes. because if i was doing good day and for example, my name would be what's in these agreements, breeland's b, so forth. but anyway,

if somebody doesn't go to do it, does it take away from the work that she did? it doesn't take away a lot of people want to spend too much, but yeah, so i and i'm not allowed to take the tv, but i'm seeing my brother and i'm talking about the work that made my mother have 50 made my brother pop the few with their families, i have a 6 i'm, i'm going to say change came and i do have different lives. i've been changed parks where oakland offices where i opened into port quote, dean, lead jobs. well, who am i supposed to go home to be very and not said that? well, that's not change. then my name is not bruno. so i'd like to hear from you all based on the what we've had here today. do you still believe that these, that line between journalism and activism will have you shifted a little bit? let's see, your final thoughts, naomi. i won't change my mind. i still believe that as a journalist, you need to speak about the fox books. you come jesse speak the fox, for example, if there's

a story happening and you know that it's not the true for the government, for example, as a seas giving a version of the it's don't send, you need to say out loud, then this is not true. so you, you, you won't be coming, you'll be coming. i'm not to this somehow. you still need to follow the rules. i do agree refer you to follow the rules of don't only thing, not to be in danger, but you need to make the public in the sense that the story is not quite right. okay. let's do it from you. surely, i maintain that there is a line. and for me, what's would be important is that transpired and see that we know which side you're on. if you're a journalist and you, once you an activist your general list, whichever hot you putting on, that's what's of a time. that is b p a to your audience. so 12 i listening to you because of the media pushing it or the done on this. you have so much power this to me for looking at to listening to you some even how you want to evaluate like everything and say they take it as it is. yeah. okay. almost. yeah, that's fine. um, yes,

my own point is we will keep evolving us human beings, right? so as journalist does activates, as advocates, that gary's the angle is change. what is the goal is to show whatever changes we're trying to drive for. well, in looking at the next generation old, going to people who are thinking to call me into journalism. i think what drives use key for unless it's all collected, supported him like this is like, i must see you in jail for ronald. doesn't have seen joe, but he has to just expose the story of what you was coming in to read. you need to ask yourself, why are you coming for the actual needs of the i was because yes, no good job. you'll be nominated for an enemy. yeah, but that's not why this is because at the end of it there's no need to have gone able to speak with. we've had done a lease, we know awards on lose piece and cost the story didn't feel in. right. so we don't know what you want to know what, what's happening, story about the floods that it doesn't speak. right? so i don't know as a young person was deciding, okay, i like to see people in june, so i'm going to enjoy it. become a journalist. i love people don't like i'm not gonna be great on top of my face.

that's what you want to do then. well, you need to close to the why the what? to what extent do you need to be on there? so you like the essential 90 accolades or you know what, i'm going to do this because of the right thing to do for myself. i used motivation being the can i call you getting it for you? good. all right, go now. so for me, i mean, i, what i thought i quoted me was like, let's get just, i have a brother who was i might be so that was what motivated me wasn't any of what i think the, i mean was going to call. yeah. but for me, more important is the solution we need to buy from the tv shows about this, the big spring. so you know, practicing you know, and use in practice. so i want to see the tools. i probably see people don't, but we don't see joe. none of these older ladies don't people to engage me. they just say you're not cvc, don't know what to do. john is in the all got one should be i'm sort of in the middle because i'm not young, but i'm not all the sound. so i feel we should try to overcome distributions. activism is not a bond was, is not something that we kind of speak about what she says,

let's be transferring. let's try to avoid putting all right in our cells, because the audience sees the proof. i've done these governments already doing that . now guys, the news is your right. an us last but not least. so am i lance? part of my jen. i live them here in gym and i dream then. but once i arrived, i know there was famous and that coverage, and i've also learned from the b, b, z o coming loose apart from that the due date code of ethics guides me as i work. so at the end of the pi, i believe that we should ask ourselves the question. when we get into us, piece of that, how do i ensure that i get development? so jen, again, i see you full trans, i see the youth and i want to emphasize that the advertising group, i was the, i'm tired of the roots in the system. yeah. and they want to see a change. yeah. and if we wanted flicking partners or not, various countries, then we have to move towards more activism and i don't see any like the amount of them and activity on us. thank you so so much. thank you to audience. at the

beginning of this debates we us a very simple question. where is the line between activism and journalism? and as one of the people here said, it's just papa k o. so when you try to define those fun, thank you all to a lovely audience here. thank you to kind of look at the usual 14 the

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