the thoughts we say there is never getting on every weekend on d w the this week on the 77 percent street debate that come less of people what, what do you need to do as a result of that white guided so you want some more for sizes from the gen i mistakes points into the active is, doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of and you kind of do, john? you've invested in proxy. boy by the rule. that is why i have no business between into the mode of active design with spend the don't owe you. people want to see how

much my brother i am talking about the work that made my mother. i have to be made my brother perhaps a few. we don't find many nigeria have different lives, i've been changed that well that's not change. then my name is not road now. hello and welcome back to the 77 percent sweet debate this week. we anybody in africa nor on the streets? we're home to the global medial floor. i'm one of the leading medium firms globally . it's mostly correct. for those of you who live in africa, the media space is usually either not 3 or independence. and for that reason, some generally a forced to do a work that they did not sign up for activities. so today we're going to ask, where is that line if there is one in africa between journalism and activism? and today i have a girl i just found out here with me look at those applicant kind of on us. let's start with you. what is activism in your mind and how does it differ from generally

a cut, those to always be separated? gen i'm of them, it puts you in that speed sway you gets into activism. not because you want, but you find yourself in that speaks. so what's the difference? i that kind of, gen, i live them. i do is naming shaming and gaming and in navigates and i've crossed that path i will for had, for everything. i got the one that come up, i go into the court of law and then i testified to tell people to show to people. so i don't believe in exclusive gen on some, i believe in gen other than that the box on this was sites. so i, gen, of them is a product of this website. and it works because i managed to get people into deal and that continental people, what, what do you need to do as a result of the work i do so you can call me, i must have missed. but i do, my jen, i live in depth deals into active as a how do you define yourself? so do you see yourself more as an activist?

oh, as a junior, i see myself more as i'm active is because of the end product that i get. okay. we wanna do you find yourself into situations as well, where you're, what sort of places you in situations that you didn't necessarily sign up for you? yes, i do. and i absolutely refuse that tag activist. i'm shy away from each i run away from me. why? because there's different types of activities and i think you feel no play the type of activity. so you all you do, that's when you do get into trouble and that line can be seen. i agree with enough . but for me, i also see it as a very big effect, like it's a big gas problem my french take like so for example, we have different types of activities. you uh, you got an active, it's based on your personal conviction. all your pronounced that activities by your job, all by the governments of the day who's upset, that's what you're doing. people can also be active. it's because of the tension on the economy, where the existing freezing from lodi is ation of news. and they have to perform

either way. i think the same as john, that is, i didn't find out. i think people from the activity. so that is somebody active. it's also of greed because it's of a read. yes. correct. like i said, so i said what i said, okay, unless you have something to add to that. and i totally disagree with the thing because i think that she's not looking at the dean just we fees. there's no point in doing that piece of gen on somebody gets him up and what came up on the same street with that criminal. i see, i would take you to deal. i testify, i should have called everything. and i, i'm speaking from my point of view of being that loyal. mm hm. and i see that every miscalculation the amount that coverage and that is a kind of lead to best can lead to face all consequences. we don't become active. it's because we love a demo, somebody's not that cheap, but it's a serious business. i do have your rebuttal. i have to say i do cut activism from the perspective of the don't toby drill, nineties, what's cubes for being a drone? and so i know the 1st time what i mean,

my father was killed 15 years ago for being a drone on these. he wasn't even on investigative john. and so you can't even get killed for when they call them. it's a part of the yeah, well, how can i know female? i know what disease. i have to send my family out of the country when i get sweet, sweet quoting, for example, they know what to do, but for, for our audience, can you please tell us what's the zip code in was a bose we 3 coding wasn't investigation into the formats which include cartels that sell coding on it was on the cobra as well. and most with change including was funds we think 24. i was still seeing some of the benefits, although that doesn't stop a drugs. people move on to a bedroom. what i said is to say, i have a pool that i'm leaving with the front of a family member died. i'm always watching my box and nobody knows. i was coming to boston for example, i just show up when i pull stuff down so strongly. yeah. well, i'd say these to see when you mix these activities in the problem is the home we see it means it's no longer the way i'm not. so this is very different,

but i'm talking about the pop pull out. we'll talk about this as diagnostic devices . nature, but i don't think we have answered that question yet. naomi maybe you can help me on speaking about fathers will be jude because of just isn't yours is one of them. yeah. so the shrinking mediaspace infinity, do you see yourself more as an activist or as a journalist because your cutting between these walls right? yes, absolutely. um i think i would rather define myself as an activities and i'm not, i'm not ashamed. so, so you see yourself 1st as an activist, then as a junior. yeah. okay. because i believe you don't have to be a journalist to be, i'm actually based. so i am a daughter of an activist. he's a journalist. yeah, sounds the private press, the 1st private press group in building and he was always seen as an activity as you was and the police custody be on times and he's still standing advice. thank god for that. yeah. and so i'm trying to follow the path,

but also to of my own personality i sent a yes identity as well, but i'm ok. i'm enjoying the least. but i'm also in activities, but i have to be careful. yeah, of course. okay, so we've had some impressions from beginning nigeria and gone now, but we also ask people from around the continental colleagues went around asking them how is the media space in your country? and this is what they have to say. the new gun. sometimes the line between generalization and activities and can be black. for instance, many mediocre nights visions are owned by politicians with an agenda. now these employee, as i've said, is to have it conflicts from the reporting by the journalist they hire. sometimes in criticized politicians in state that use journalist or being present jordan must have been has previously described. private media outlets in them is but also some

colleagues in the media proficient. how will flip joins punches and 4 digits today . some of them most prominent politicians, both in the government and the opposition, started off as demo with several newspapers in over a $150.00 tv and regular channels. but media landscape and well, that's those things in politics and media and accept press here. and so relatively free and able to criticize authority, one same as kind of an example of an act of a stern list, is that that's one of the telephone who turned to activism, author the experience of reporting on 10 years post election by those who would let them known for driving sticks all the way to parliament and pointing to what antiques, overindulging, members of parliament. and so what could, aside from the powers that be, may not be easy and tenure costs of many turn. let's take on corruption by politicians and probably the caprice out is a major problem in gonna, it's affects the ordinary pressing for life. what's a, what's a good, good policy,

holstead, quality education and mini mall. no reporting about this issue father due to obtain a list and that's what is the 4th grade and then i list, i'm not really a one now, but it's fairly on in his car. yeah. for about 2 decades. a goal for guessing concrete evidence to prosecute such a fish out meant he had to go on that. com. but he didn't have to come again, at least in dreams, that amounted corruption actively, as what he said by governments with some public official letterhead, anatomy of this faith and effort. so now known gradstaff on last hasn't become just a multi media documentary, myka fox now, and leading activities for the ordinary people, look up to for sundays, and protecting them from the girl and abuse that we've just seen that but not to be mentioned. and so, just to contextualize, you know, why is it that gender specifically and africa turned into activities?

i'm just trying to figure out sort of like what the social changes are that you are calling for and why the journalist doesn't want to do it. and i think that says a for the general is, is much more flu set to the people you listen to them. and you realize that no mountain that isms as in cops i believe being being sold and doing that piece of work and seem to the benefits what society deprives from that piece of work. and so if i have done no margin of which would have been just published and what's, what's normal generally, the amount of them would mean that you have identified your thoughts as you've gotten the information. you put it out there and you can allow the rest of the states institutions to take care of it and see that states institutions equally handicapped as we add just as we stand. so i don't see anything wrong with taking one step forward home to meet the prosecutor. i do not possess police by weight so

far as if i find that criminal at that point i wanted to kill that be. that's my thing. when we put in our hands to get an insurance that the guy has busted and i don't see anything wrong we've just done before it part of little if you believe in the piece of weight that you have done, why can't you defend it before a part of no. okay, well if i just find that, and i'm pull that max, if it's so be, i'm proud of it and he's good. all right, so, and this is very proud of the what the, he does say normal journalism doesn't cuts it well. i know you have a different opinion about this. well, well, yes i do, but it's just, it's still a language. we're discussing the sense that activist activism is likely check before it's more about, you know, campaigning actively about something for change, you know, political or social change, but you want something to change. that's what you're doing, what you're doing. yes, i agree with the fact that the individuals think that they need to be actively, they let them be a, let them be proud and let them much show themselves to find that ok, then it's gonna have to be spending more like it's important that people are going

to start with the are per time because that's the only way to do good work. because if you claim to be something else because of what the ideal defined by society and to be politically correct. you are this your so by the end of the day you're going to be below with yourself on mine in your room. so i didn't, nobody's going to struggle with be your self and go peace of mind that you lose when you do or need. so my whole point is with a activism is right or wrong, i'm not going to define god without book is the way to go. i'm still going to define it. i'm saying if this is where you are now, then be some beads with your full chest. mm. hm, yeah, until then how do you maintain the integrity? right. so if i'm covering gender issues, i'm a woman, i definitely have a bias of that. how do i make sure these in line and i'm not just advocating for women, and i am just being a journalist for every article you write to run me by somebody else. you should always have a comfortability part and ask you to run you by somebody else to check. you didn't know the integrity is important for you to run you by somebody else moving or by us knowing that you've done to the best of your own ability. well being, we have an open you, it doesn't make you sense less us to be just still have it thought process. you can

still think through. we to say, i still need to find balance to this truth. also this view point. ok, well let's hear the purse inside when, if i believe you don't know if that's the basic thing, joe not isn't what? that's a big, that's a basic tenet. it'll work. we do. okay, let me show you. i see, you know, think do you have some things to say to me, i completely agree with some of the sentiments that oh, has um no of the key on the ones that i agree with. okay. i also think that it's to have between being a journalist and being an active, it's an election say you need to be very transference and be very honest with yourself when would others when you're switching one hutch for the ad. okay. how do you do that practically, realistically? yeah. one of something like the other thing i could add to what you said is the mazda of conflict of interest. if i'm too emotionally involved in something. and i know that it's going to a to affect the outcome of, of, of the product of, of what if i'm doing that, it's a lot i step by step. but if i cannot be clear minded what i'm doing it or i have a come to be supported as she said, ok,

so enough back to you own where you have something to say to me. yeah, yeah, yeah. okay. so the female is that i've been asking myself, this tenants will genetic, then will they go down? maybe they'll was the man. and at the end of the big society, we don't pretend that we understand life was so different that so diverse and we still kind of fully understand who we are. and so yes, i know we need this guidance as well. my own points of view, every time we talk about the tenants, i'm just not the same and i agree with them. i came into the profession, but then i thought to myself, just now using was made for my model wasn't beautiful. janelle is inside the end of the day, we should still be able to make some changes as we go into the site. mm hm. so yeah, got time if he has got guides. well, isn't that dangerous though? i mean, at what point do you throughout subject to the end of the day, you still need to put in cost into consideration, your ethical values, your morals. what do you know what you're being hammered and to be been because i feel like those things come to play every profession without doing anything without football. when you are in here at the tons of crossing everything you do and i'm able to verify on the, the hots which i take my pictures always shows that my pictures on i don't know how,

what it does. so i'm seeing the who you are always reflect in the work you do. so yes, the could be dangerous. i really, i haven't been in this space. can we talk about stuff like that? but i'm seeing that it's the only thing yourself to know though can do that might. this is what i'm willing to do and i'm willing to take a risk. they won't so far has evolved by risks that we're taking by different people. i agree, i think we're making this huge mistake. ok, by letting people define what 10 out of them is for us. that my wisdom is more about any i believe. schools sitting though in the mountains demo, should be defined by your site. at the end of the the how does the weight you to lead to the progress of that so site. so what might be done that lives in the gym i live, i mean i married might be a different type of gen as an email for it. so what kind of journalism would you suggest to be helping africa? i am suggesting that your journalism should be fine, but you'll be void. feel people need more drinking water, get that for them. whatever it takes to get that for them. get in for that really means that developed one back of it and get it for them to get it for the is really

disagree with you. let me hear your voice and that's my brother from the neighboring countries. i just went through with you so much. i mean, this is not because i don't agree with the funds that's known in john this the him have tried to show that he didn't take that by the way. so for me that it is what we do in front of it all the way from the news rooms into the academic. we do need some level post from it doesn't matter. we do need some level of found that yeah, i'm those done. the big things that there should be a very clear 9 on what is on, what's his notes? for example, what well then differentiates all from the publics. we call them if we sound the same way, if we don't have any types of sound that, i mean, just imagine even with those found out for the type of drinking, what are we happy in the world that it would be ok to keep drinking live? what uh, that was drunk centuries ago. i'm probably still being drunk drunk not. yeah, i mean, i guess your point, so hold on enough. no me, i want to come to you because let's just ground ourselves in reality here, right?

we have the tennis of done lives in perfect, but even be that's kind of a basement. it still becomes difficult to practice and say a country like yours. so are you allowed to color the light outside the lines then as well? um, actually i'm not really allows, but i do, i do a rebel here. i really i'm really on social media. so i, i, i'm working for tv, press groups, of course, but on the side i writes white, i think on my social media platforms and on my social media platform, i am myself and i can see what ever i want. mm hm. interesting. yeah. are you able to separate your identity as a journalist from your online personality? yeah, definitely. do that. because when i see you online, i'll see the general is naomi. yes, you see the john the least, but i do. it's a different way. when i'm going to be presenting, for example, i have to follow the rules. i just come to keep fox. that's all on my social media

platform. i comments the fact i see my minds, but it's not in a way that we puts me in the adventure situation. so you have to bring your toes between activism and jen. lindsey right? yes. i mean the, me, the yeah, but enough doesn't just make you the very dangerous situation then because we have the rules, but then we have thing, we could break them when it's still convenient. for us, so when the society does not have structures for us and really say, oh, by the way, when i'm out of the news room, then i can say whatever i want, you have to actual. so how do i do my way in the way that it come me and gets in the 2 cuts means that dress warm, it's almost a size from the gym. i missed a point into the active is, doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of and it doesn't because at the end of the day, whatever every things you produce at the end of the day to be a part of the law that will sit down with that duty gates will very, i have to control many people in to do, and i did it with my own. what do you have the own lawyers and i love it because it's also a test of your integrity test hold. how on missed your gen, that is,

i'm is, everybody should be given an opportunity to come and defend himself. this, as you'll see, do it. this is how you storage. this is how you plan to see it. and i such a way, i think that should be the way out. okay. one of the question is, are you on the issue of trust? you might be well meaning, and perhaps you want to talk about co dean and then you are younger audiences that she always leads towards. one side to unplug government has until you've is, how do you balance that out? so you buy these again by those sets of rules that don't at least speak. that's not ethical. i mean, i think what point needs to be me impactful john is in, is not always going, you know, not to be smart. now, i'm not, i'm not serious. i do not identify as one i will never identify as well. can you tell me why? i mean, this is something that is very deep. you said you do you like like sort of like the getting the via large the wrong i find activity seem distract me. when i

have to actively care about what people say. oh, i bought my met thoughts to the x ends with i cannot control me. there's no want me to control, for example, in my mind, then i have the problem. i will say that you kind of do johnny's investors, impactful. going by the book. i need to still in fact from i'm an example of that. when i did quote, dean, people were very happy with being changed. but guess what? that was. so people that came to see i was paid by a foreign government because i, my son's name is jeremiah. so i still got that block underway. people that were to see i previous, what is the french points on these points to the fact of extremism. you will always be called them not to be which way you do your journalism. that is why i refuse it because i have no business being called of fixing into the mode of activity. mm hm . and are in with spend they don't. oh yes,

because if i was doing the full day and for example, my name would that be between visibility to brittany and visa for what we're gonna take away. if somebody doesn't go to do it, does it take away from the work that she did? it doesn't take, i went by the people wanted to change much, but change the site and the deep. but i'm saying my brother yeah, i'm talking about the work that made my mother have to be made. my brother perhaps a few with the front of me. i have a 6 i'm, i'm going to say change came and i do have different lives. i've been change parks where opened offices were opened into port co dean lead jobs for 4 months. went to go home to me where we had not said that, well that's not change. then my name is not bruno. so i'd like to hear from you all based on the what we've heard yet today. do you still believe that these, that line between journalism and activism will have you shifted a little bit less of your final thoughts, naomi? i won't change my mind. i still believe that as a journalist, you need to, to speak about the facts. but you come jesse speak the fox, for example,

if there's a story happening and you know that it's not the truth, but the government, for example, since he's giving a version of rates, don't say we need to say out loud, then this is not true. so you, you, you won't be coming, you'll be coming. i'm not to be somehow. you still need to follow the rules. i do agree refer you to follow the rules of don't the only thing not to be in danger, but you need to make the public and the sense that the story is not quite right. okay. let's just from you. surely, i maintain that there is a line. and for me, what's would be important is that transpired and see that we know which side you're on. if you're a journalist and you, once you activate your journalist, whichever had to put him on, that's what's about time. that is the key to your audience, so it's whoever you're listening to you because of the media pushing it or the done on the do up so much power. there's so many for looking at to listening to you.

some even how you onto your very word like everything and say they take it as it is . yeah. okay. almost. yeah, that's fine. yes. uh my own point is we will keep evolving as human beings, right. so as a journalist that's activities as advocates that gary the end goal is change. probably the goal is to show whatever changes we are trying to drive for. well, in looking at the next generation, ongoing, the people who are thinking, so companies that are not the same, i think what drives use key for unless it's also like it's appalling, like this is like, i will see you in jail for room doesn't have seen do but she has to just expose the story of what you was coming in to read. you need to ask yourself, why are you coming for the actual leads of the i was because yes, good job. you'll be nominated for an emmy. yeah. but that's why that is because at the end of it there's no need to go and able to speak with. we've had done a lease, we know was lose piece in cost. the story didn't feel and right, so we don't know what you want to know of what's happening. story about the floods that it doesn't speak right. so i don't know. i think one question was the siding.

okay. i'd like to see people in general, so i'm going to enjoy it. become a journalist. i love people don't like i'm not gonna be great on top of my face. that's what you want to do, then what you need to close it out. why? yeah. what's to what extent do you need to be on this that you like the attention of the accolades or you know, what i'm going to do this because of the right thing to do for myself. i is motivation being the key, like how you're getting it from your guns. all right, so now, so for me, i mean, what i thought i quoted me was like, let's get just the i have you brought out who was, i'm not be. so that was what motivated me wasn't any of what i think the, i mean what's going to call. yeah. but for me, more important is the solution we need to buy from the tv shows that these 2 big springs of, you know, proxy user practice. so i want to see eddie chose. i found the 6 people don't, but we don't see joe ninety's older ladies don't people to engage. they just say you're on cbs. you don't know how to do. john is in the all got one should be i'm not supposed to be in the middle because i'm not young, but i'm not old. these are the thoughts. so i feel we should try to overcome distributions. activity room is not a bond, was,

is not something that we cannot speak about. well, she says, let's be transferring. let's try to what pulled out right now. so because the audience sees the proof, i've done these governments already doing that. now the news is your right an us last but not least. so am i lance part of my 10 out of them here in gym and i dream then that went out by rough. i know there was seamless and that coverage. and i've also learned from the b, b, z, all come apart from that day to day food. if i take the guides me as i work. so by the end of the day, i believe that we should ask ourselves that question. when we get into the last piece of that, how do i ensure that i get the bottom? and so jen, again, i see a, you full trans, i see the youth and i want to emphasize that the advertising group, i'm all the, i'm tired of the roots in the system. yeah. and they want to see a change. yeah. and if we wanted fully progress on our video conference, then we have to move towards more activism and i don't see any like the amount of

them and activity on us. thank you so so much. thank you to audience. at the beginning of this debates we us a very simple question. where is the line between activism and journalism? and as one of the people here said, it's just papa chaos when you try to find the sun. thank you all to a lovely audience here. thank you to kind of it's kind of useful. thanks. i the

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