says what's his asked next on dw, we say they're never giving up every weekend on the w the this week on the 77 percent street, the bait that com, lots of people what, what do you need to do as a result of the wake item? so i'm all for size from the gym. i missed a point to each of the active is doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of and you kind of the drawing you've invested in proxy green by the rule. that is why i have no business between into the move on to design with spend the don't owe you . people want the same team bush and my brother. i am talking about the work that

made my mother have to be made. my brother pop the few with them finding these nigeria have different lives. i've been changed. that one does not change, then my name is not bruno. hello and welcome back to the 77 percent strict debate this week. we anybody in africa nor on the threes? we're home to the global media for i'm one of the leading medium forums globally. thank you. it's no secret to those of you who live in africa. the media spaces are usually either not 3 or independence. and for that reason, sometimes list a forced to do a work that they did not sign up for activities. so today we're going to ask, where is that line if there is one in africa between gender and activism? and today i have a quote just found out here with me, look at those applicant kind of a. now let's start with you. what is activism in your mind and how does it differ

from gently into those? to always be separated? jim, i'm of them. it puts you in that speed sway you get into activism, not because you want, but you find yourself in that speaks. so what's the difference? i that kind of, gen, i live them. i do is naming shaming and gaming and in navigates and i've crossed that path i will for had for everything's, i got the one that come on. i go into the court of law and then i testified to tell people to show to people. so i don't believe in exclusive gen on, so my believing gen other than that, the facts on this website. so my gym, i was them is a product of this website. and it works because i managed to get people into deal and that complex of people what, what do you need to do as a result of the work i do so you can call me, i must have missed. but i do my, jen allison and did stuff deals into activism. how do you define yourself? so do you see yourself more as an active, as well as a junior?

i see myself as i'm active. it's because of the end product that i get. okay, we wanna do you find yourself into situations as well, where you're, what sort of places you in situations that you didn't necessarily sign up for you? yes, i do. and i absolutely refuse that tag activist. i am shy away from each i run away from me. why? because there's different types of activities. and i think if you all know play the type of activity. so you all you do, that's when you do get into trouble. and that's the line can be seen, i agree with not, but for me, i also see it as a very big effect line. it's a big gas problem, my french decline. so for example, we have different types of activities. you uh, you got an active, it's based on your personal conviction. all your pronounced an activist by your job, all by the governments of the day who's of sets up what you're doing. people can also be active is because of the tension on the economy, where there's this increasing tablet as ation of news. and they have to perform

either way. i think the same as joe ninety's. and then finally, i think people from the octaves to july to some of the activities also of greed because it's of a read. yes, correct. i said, so i said what i said, okay. unless you have something to add to that. and i totally disagree with the thing because i think that she's not looking at the dean just we fees. there's no point in doing that piece of journalism. i get them up and what came up on the same street with that criminal. i see i would take you to deal. i testify, i'd sure to have called evidence, and i, i'm speaking from my point of view of being that loyal. and i see that every miscalculation the amount that coverage and as a can lead to desks can lead to face all consequences. we don't become active is because we love a demo. somebody's not that cheap, but it's a serious business. i do have a rebuttal. i have to say, i do cut activism from the perspective of the don't toby drill, 9040 cubes for being a drone on me. so i know the 1st time what i mean,

my own father was killed 15 years ago for being a drone on his he wasn't even on investigative john and so you can't even get killed for when they call them. it's a part of the. yeah, well, have another female. i know what it sees. i have to send my family out of the country when i get sweet, sweet quoting, for example, they know what to do, but for, for our audience, can you please tell us what seems to be put in was a vote we 3 coding was an investigation, answer the phone, my sister cool cartel, that cell coding on it was on the cobra as well. and a most with change including was funds. we think 24. i was still seeing some of the benefits, although that doesn't stop the drugs people move on to that room. what i said is to say, i have a clue that i'm leaving with the front of a family member died. i'm always watching my box and nobody knows i was coming to boston for example, i just show up when i pull stuff down so strongly. yeah. well, i'd say these to say when you mix these activities in, the problem is that when we see it means it's no longer drawing these the,

the way i'm not. so this is very different, but i'm talking about the pop pull out. we'll talk about this as diagnostic devices, nature, but i don't think we have answered that question yet. now me maybe you can help me on speaking about fathers who be jailed because of just is it yours, is one of them. yeah, so the shrinking mediaspace impending, do you see yourself more as an activist or as a journalist because you're cutting between these walls, right? yes, absolutely. um i think i would rather define myself as an activities and i'm not, i'm not ashamed. so, so you see yourself 1st as an activist, then as a junior. yeah. okay. because i believe you don't have to be a journalist to be an activist. so i am a do to off and activities as a journalist. yeah, sounds the private press, the 1st private friends group in building and he was always seen as an activity. so he was and the police custody be on times and he's still standing advice. thank god for that. yeah. and so i'm trying to follow the boss,

but also to of my own personality i sent a yes identity as well, but i'm ok. i'm enjoying the least, but i'm also, i'm actually be split. i have to be careful. yeah, of course. okay, so we've had some impressions from beginning nigeria and gone to, but we also ask people from around the continental colleagues went around asking them how is the media space in your country? and this is what they have to say. the new gun and sometimes the line between generalization and activities and can be blogs. for instance, many media organizations are owned by politicians. we've on agenda now these employee, as i've said to have it feed conflicts from the reporting by the journalist they hire. sometimes in criticized politicians in state that use journalist for being active to be present jordan must have been has previously described private media outlets enemies, but also some colleagues in the media proficient. how will flip joins punches and 4

digits today. some of them most prominent politicians, both in the government and vio, position such as the 1st demo with several newspaper, then over a $150.00 pages on regular channels. the us media landscape. and well, that's those things in politics and media and accept press here is still relatively free and able to criticize the parts one same as kind of an example of an act of a stern lift is that that's one photographer who turned to activism. after the experience of reports, and i'm kind of post election by then you would let them know and for driving, takes all the way to parliament and putting the words antiques, overindulging them was a problem. and so what could, aside from the powers that be, may not be easy and tenure costs of many turn. let's take home corrupt seemed by policy safe and comfortable free. so it's a major problem in gonna, it's affects the ordinary pressing for life. what's a, what's a good, good policy,

hoskis, quality education and mini mall. not reporting about this issue father due to obtain a list. and that's what is the 4th grade and then i list, i'm not really a one now that it's fairly on in his car. yeah. for about 2 decades, a goal for guessing concrete evidence to prosecute such a fish out meant he has to go on that kind of, um, he didn't come again at least in dreams, that amounted corruption actively, as what he said by governments with some public officials, declaring him on enemy, all the space. and so now known gradstaff unlocked hasn't become just a multi media documentary, myka fox now, and leaving activists for the ordinary people. look up to for sundays in protecting them from the girl and abuse this. we've just seen the enough you've been mentioned . i'm so just to contextualize, you know, why is it that gender specifically and africa turned into activities?

i'm just trying to figure out sort of like what the social changes that you are calling for and why the journalist has a want to do it. i think that fits a for the general is, is much more close to the people you listening to them. and you realize that no mountain of them is, i think, i believe in being sold and doing a piece of work and seen to the benefits what society deprives from that piece of work. and so if i have done no mountain of which would have been just published and what's, what's normal general, no margin amount of them would mean that you have identified your thoughts as you've gotten the information. you put it out there and you can allow the rest of the states institutions to take care of it. but i don't see that states institutions equally handicapped as we are, as we, as today. and so i don't see anything wrong with taking one step forward to meet the prosecutor. i do not possess where police, by way,

so far as if i find the criminal at that point, i wanted to kill that be. there's nothing wrong with putting a hunch to get an a showing that the guide is busting, and i don't see anything wrong we've just done before. i called a little if you believe in that piece of work that you have done, why can't you defend it before i bought over? oh, okay, well if i just find it and i'm pull that next. if it's so be, i'm proud of it and he's good. all right, so and this is very proud of the work that he does say normal journalism doesn't cuts it. oh, well, i know you have a different opinion about this. well, well yes i do, but it's just, it's still in line with what we're discussing. the sense that active is activism is like we check before it's more about, you know, campaigning actively about something for change, you know, political or social change while you want something to change. that's what you're doing, what you're doing. yes, i agree with the fact that the individuals think that they need to be actively, they let them be a, let them be proud and let them much show themselves to find that ok, then it's gonna have to be any more likely it's important that people are going to

start with the are per time because that's the only way to good work. because if you claim to be something else because of what the ideal defined by society and to be politically correct, you are dealing with your so by the end of the day, you're going to be below with yourself at mind in your right. so i didn't, nobody's going to struggle with be your self and go peace of mind that you lose when you do coordinate. so my whole point is with a activism is right or wrong. i'm not going to define that. what advocacy is the way to go? i'm still going to define it. i'm seeing if this is where you are now, then beat them beat with your full chips. mm hm. yeah. until then, how do you maintain into integrity, right. so if i'm covering gender issues, i'm a woman, i definitely have a bias of that. how do i make sure these in line and i'm not just advocating for women, and i am just being a journalist for every article you write to run me by somebody else. you should always have a comfortability part and ask you to run you by somebody else to check. you didn't know the integrity is important for you to run you by somebody else moving or by us knowing that you've done to the best of your own ability. but being we have an opinion, it doesn't make you sense less us to be just still have it thought process. you can

still think through. we to say, i still need to find balance to this truth. also this view point. okay, well let's see or do other person sides when, if i believe you to know if that's the basic thing, joe not isn't what, that's the big. that's a basic kind of in the work we do. okay, let me show you. i see, you know, doing, do you have something to say to me? i completely agree with some of the sentiments the o has um no of the key on the ones that i agree with. okay. i also think that it's to have between being a journalist and being an active it's unless you say you need to be very transference and be very honest with yourself when would others when you're switching one hutch for the ad. okay, how do you do that practically realistically? yeah. one of sounds like the other thing i could, that's what she said is myself conflict of interest. if i'm too emotionally involved in something, and i know that it's going to uh to affect the outcome of, of the product of whatever i'm doing. then it's a that i say i step back if i kind of be clear minded what i'm doing it or i have a comfortable button as us. she said, okay,

so enough back to you when you have something to say to me. yeah, yeah, yeah. okay. so the female is that i've been asking myself this 10, this will do, and i just didn't was the board meeting. so was the man at the end of the big society. we can't pretend that we understand like was so different that so diverse and we still kind of fully understand who we are. and so yes, i know we need this guidance as well. my own points of view. every time we talk about the tenants, i'm just not the same and i agree with them. i came into the profession, but then i thought of myself just now living with me for my mom wasn't beautiful. janelle is inside the end of the day. we should still be able to make some changes as we go into the site. mm hm. so yeah, got turned up. so yes, yeah, guides. well, isn't that dangerous though? i mean, what point do you throughout subject to the end of the day, you still need to put in cost in supposed to be single, single bodies, your morals. what do you know what you're being hammered to believe then because i feel like those beings come to play every profession without doing anything, without football, when you are in here at the tons of crossing everything you do and how many photographs are on the be hostage which i take my pictures on, which shows that my pictures on, i don't know how, what it does. so i'm seeing the who you are well with reflecting the work you do.

so yes, the could be dangerous. i really, i haven't been in this space can be talk about stuff like that, but i'm seeing that it's the only thing yourself to know though can do that my. this is what i'm willing to do and i'm willing to take a risk. they won't so far has it won't buy risk that we're taking by different people. i agree. i think we're making this huge mistake. ok, by letting people define what 10 out of them is for us. that my list is not about any i believe schools sitting though in the mountains demo, is going to be defined by the also site at the end of the the how does the white you to lead to the progress of that? so sites. so what might be jim l, as in jim l, as in mean america might be that different type of gen other than enough for it. so what kind of journalism would you suggest to be helping africa? i am suggesting that your journalism should be fine, but you'll people, you'll, people need more drinking water, get that for them. whatever it takes to get that for them. get in for that, leave the means that developed one back of it and get it for them.