his progress is in our hands and that means so is request. it's up to us how significant of the beginning of madana c and the series of the great philosophers to our presence on future. our series project, enlightenment starts october 5th on d, w. the or 2 years ago, armenia in either by john, went to war over the dispute is enclave of the corner of car buck either by john one last week. it's military hit the region again. and since then about $30000.00 ethnic, armenians have fled. tens of thousands more are trying to do the same. is this an emergency evacuation, or is this a permanent exodus? those waiting to leave stuck at the border? they'll tell you, they're not planning to ever come back and bring coughing berlin. this is the day. the

board meeting and so this is absolutely essential that evacuation be facilitated by the government advisor by john through 5th. i left everything else behind everything, restore a house with pigs and chickens it though there are still tens of thousands of ethnic armenians who are there living in very vulnerable conditions. why do they like this? why doesn't the world intervene also coming up and you as president by the, on the picket line, with all the workers in detroit, as he and donald trump vine, for support from blue color workers. class the

let's see what our view was watching on cbs in the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with thousands of ethnic armenians on the wrong, and why that matters from russia to america, from turkey to ukraine. 2 years ago, our media felt a war against either by john over the article i of, of new going to cover box, which is home to a 120000 ethnic armenians. armenia lost by the ethnic tensions between orthodox armenians and most men. as or by john is it did not go away. last week, either by john's military launched a whitening attack on newborn oak, auerbach triggering tens of thousands of people to fully most if not all, are ethnic armenians. of this conflict had its genesis in the 1980s. soviet union, with the soviet union collapsed. new alliances formed armenia with russia, either by john with turkey, which is a need to remember. but recently,

armenia has accused russia neglecting its commitments and being preoccupied, distracted by its more in ukraine. the kremlin has tried to shame our media for quote, forwarding with the west. we have more now on the people caught in a region that is flirting once again with a crisis safely and cause buses and trucks. vehicles choked the road leading out of know, go on a car back into, i mean, yeah. the people cram inside have exhausting edge on their faces. many spend the night on the roads. they fear they are leaving the ancestral lands. so good can make that happen. oh, now we have 3 dogs, so me that is i will stay to let the girls know that we have stray dogs named many ethnic i medians. and i go on a car, but i feel they have no choice but to pack up their things and leave us by john,

located them for 9 months before it's mastery swooped in. last week. everything is lacking, including the fuel to leave this lead to disaster. when a gas talk exploded and a petrol station of people q, late on monday evening, over a 100 dead, and many more injured of the explosion, sending flames shooting into the night sky. some of the plastic games with treat this kind of accurate is by rushing peacekeepers on tuesday. they have been stations and not going to car box since caused by john rest as much of the enclave from him being in separatist forces in 2020. after decades of into the ethnic tensions, i mean screwed on safe with the other by john is now fully in charge as the exit. this continues this thought, as were united with his daughter on the armenian side of the border. a moment of relief at a time of desperation, of a more no, i'm joined by lawrence brewers,

he's an associated fellow at chatham house. he's also an expert on the congress's region, or just going to have you with this after the events of the past few days, and just considering the vast numbers of ethnic armenians who are leaving newborn of kyra. but would you say that this is the end of the armenian population in that region to well, it's definitely the end, i think of any aspirations to self rule to sovereignty or independence, which is of course, what the car. but i mean, the movement was the balance of the began in the late 19 eighties. uh whether that will be a smaller population. the residual population that lives on in car box is on the we've seen approximately 30000 car by millions pouring over into our media. there are talks ongoing between carbo, how many representatives and as advise you on the officials on the terms of

integration. but i think there is a huge fear that car behind his po, and they are the essentially moving birching with the feet and leaving us the budget. and we heard it today from the foreign policy adviser to the leader of iser by john following talks in brussels. emergency talks that were held between our medias announcer by john. that are as you by john, has nothing to hide and you're going to have cover bought it yet. at the same time, we heard that there's no reason for international observers to be on the ground. there uh how, how do you read that or what i think is a very ambiguous situation. we don't know what happened to the number of outlying areas during the mid mid results that took place last week. that have been persistent calls for a humanitarian access and assistance to be offered. both to those are medians. best

on now in our media, but to those that are still in as a by john. so, you know, i think there's an urgent need for that. we need i as and he is on the ground. otherwise, it's basically an information vacuum in a very potent rise and very co was or am. and unfortunately we do, we know the armenia, is it able to cope with these huge numbers of people coming over the border, who are mostly ethnic armenians with a prime minister of, i mean you and the compassion young has said that media is ready to host up to $40000.00 families, which would certainly be enough to cover the whole of the population that might come from car box. but i think there's a lot of doubts about how prepared a media actually is. and i think there's going to be a need for a sustained humanitarian support a to on media as it we settled these people, what we're hearing from carver. how mean instead of trusting every to i mean yet, is that they do not expect to go back. now, so we're looking at

a long time integration program unfortunately. and what about geo politics and all of this? the european union today hosted these talks between our media and iser by john and he does brussels the doesn't have a role to play here as well. i think in the way we see the failure of both euro atlantic, diplomacy and russian geo politics. russia was historically the, the mediator here. it imposed its vision of a ceasefire arrangement in 2020, at the end of the last 4. and it has now basically stood aside in the face of another by johnny operation. the european union, i think has been left in this position where it has been advocating for a governance solution to the conflict human rights and so on. and it has just been left picking up the tab for a humanitarian catastrophe. it's pledged somewhere in the region to find within euro's for humanitarian. so i think it's very important that talks to continue

because there is a great stretch of further instability in the region. so we do need an organization agreements between ami here and as of right here. do you agree with what we're hearing from our meaning of that in the armenians feel that they have been neglected by russia because russia has been preoccupied with it's more in ukraine. i think this distraction rushing destruction with the war and ukraine is positive id, but i think it's also shifting value for russia of its respective relationships with on media and as a by john, as the by john and it's allied tugee have become much more important to rush, it was the results of the ukraine war. russia is looking at different ways to remain connected to having a connectivity that can work around sections and both turkey and as a bunch on play key roles in that. so i think we're seeing a russia that is, is kind of steps down. it's been demoted from regional headphones to

a pop in and as a, by john cherokee access to realign this of focuses. so, you know, as much as i think this has been a failure for russia as well as for the west. yeah. if we, you see the west, i'm wondering what role the united states has to, to play here. um, you know, our media does have a democratically elected leader, and that is the country that appears to be not getting the support that it is at expecting from russia. should the us be coming in and supporting it the way it supporting ukraine as well. i think there's a, there's a huge difference uh with the ukraine complex, in the sense that, uh, russia invaded ukraine. and i think there's a place of geo political script, west and audiences understand who the bad guy is. i think that is more complicated in the army and as a by johnny conflict, each side has been on the receiving end of the terrible atrocities and,

and suffering at different cycles. in the conflict and united states, i think very much wants the european union to take the lead with boss says, you know, i think the car behind meetings do feel very much abandoned by the international community. various assurances that that wouldn't be mine and some that's, you know, a campaign for rights and security would pay off, have been proven completely false. so there is a huge sense of disillusionment and disappointment. and that's going to affect, i mean, just politics in the long term, lawrence from us. we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us tonight. we appreciate your analysis as well. thank you. thank you very much. in the united states president by has visited striking all the workers in the midwest state of michigan in an unprecedented show of support. now it's the 1st time is sitting you as president as joined in striking workers on the picket line.

the all the work is you get is demanding a 40 percent pay raise after years and concessions. well, us car makers have re record prophets, former president and republican candidate donald trump. he's due to visit michigan, which is a key battleground state and next year's election. he's due to visit mix michigan tomorrow, or dw is abraham. she is in detroit covering the strikes and the presidents who's on the picket line. i've been here all morning speaking to striking workers and it really is a mixed bag. some of them really appreciate the president's visit because they say this brings national and even international attention to their cause and a president bite. and today did say that with a you know, record pay for ceo's record profit. they should get their fair share as well. we should also note that president, former president donald trump, will be visiting detroit tomorrow, so some see the positive attention that this brings them. others, however,

are wary of how their claws might be politicized. how it may be taken advantage of by politicians, and they tell me that this is really a fight between the union and the head of a the, the big 3 the, the auto makers. and that politician shouldn't be here trying to a riley votes on the back of their cause. that was dw, is, are you bringing their reporting from detroit? i want to pull in now jeremy survey, and he's a professor of public affairs in history at the university of texas in austin. he's also author of the book, the possible presidency, the rise and fall of america's highest office. jeremy, it's good to have you on the program on. i assume you saw the president today. why is president by the the 1st us president to ally himself so clearly with striking workers. so throughout most of american history, brent american presidents have actually sided with management versus workers. when

presidents have sided with workers, they have sought to appear to be non partisan, non partial. and they've tried to play a role that is not directly engaged with this strikes. this is really unprecedented for a sitting president to go and so closely identify himself with a union strikers and to say as he did today, that he believes they need to be paid more. that's not an impartial position. he's taking, he's not my go managing the details, but he is very clearly siding with the interest of workers and with the claims they're making to their strikes. but it's also not an outrage is claimed to say i, i think, you know, hardworking people should be paid more, particularly in this error of inflation. that's one thing. the other thing is he didn't talk very long. i mean, we were talking in the news room. i, i don't think he even spoke longer than a minute. so were you shocked by the fact that you know,

he was bearing gone in the blink of an eye? no, i think he actually gave a lot of photo opportunities to the union workers. he spoke doable with an american flag on it of course. and then he walked amidst the workers and shook hands. and i think he was trying to give the impression that he was one of them. he didn't look like anyone from management. he was wearing a union sweatshirt union at i think that's significant in the united states. again, remember for most of our history, presidents of either stood against unions and that was the case with ronald reagan . it was even the case of jimmy carter for presidents have tried not to take aside . this is quite a strong step in the direction of unions at a critical moment in our economy. as i was reading through your book, which is fast to date, by the way you say that the american presidency is broken,

was what we saw today was kate, or can it be characterized as an attempt at repair? yes, i think that is what biden is all about, whether he succeeding or not, as a matter of opinion and my opinion changes day to day. i have to say based on what i see. but what he is trying to do is re establish the presidency as an office that speaks to all americans across divisions. it's one of the challenges president space today, whether they're democrats or republicans. and he is trying to show that the president can make progress on key issues that matter. for ordinary people, that's also become more difficult for presidents. so he's trying to questions whether he is succeeding and whether he's persuading people that what he's doing is worth doing. okay, and, and so let's keep that in mind with, with what we're going to see it tomorrow. we're going to have a former president. donald trump is basically planning to do the same thing and put that into this picture of the, the,

the health of the us presidency. and what diagnosis did you come out with as well? so what president trump is doing tomorrow is actually quite normal for a candidate for president. the strange thing about it is that he is a former president himself and that he's also facing for criminal indictments, but it is quite common for challengers to president, especially those who want to appeal to working class voters. traditionally, that would be candidates on the left. they have gone and stood among our workers. the most famous of these cases be eugene v. debs who ran for president and 19 we received almost a 1000000 votes. he was directly advocating for workers. so this is not unusual. someone running for office will always try to appeal to those who are angry or seem to be angry in the streets and say, i will do better for you. the question is whether trump's claim will be credible. trump claims to speak for workers, but he is not pro huge. it's very hard to interpret anything he's done as in any

way helping unions. and we know that part of the united automotive workers, right, is that this transition to electric vehicles is going to mean job cuts, add that in mind. what is biden doing that? and he's saying, i'm one of you. but i'm also in case you forgot, i'm, i'm the president who is pushing us into a what 0 emissions future. i mean, there, there's lots of contradictions here. do you think the voters are, are seeing these contradictions as well? i think that's the big question. what biden is trying to do is turn this contradiction to his advantage, as you say so well, brooks, he's pushing us the united states as the world is moving towards electric cars towards addressing climate change. and that gives him credibility with the leaders of industry because he's giving them support for that. he's trying now to say to

workers that i want to help you with this transition. that's precisely what franklin roosevelt. and at the time when the american economy was the only major transition, particularly from agriculture to industry, roosevelt put himself on the side of the transition, but also helping people make that transition. that's what joe biden is calling by that nomics. the question is whether he's persuading people or not, but i think that's what he was trying to do. and that's why he believes he can appeal to the workers and to the business leaders at the same time. and if we pull this out of water beyond the, the, all the industry a, you have written that americans have inherited a presidency built for another time and that it needs to be reformed. and you also say that presidents are simply trying to do too much in too many places. let me play devil's advocate here. is it really the, the demands that are too much or is it the fact that the president's look,

just like members of congress are always in campaign boat? isn't that what the real problem here is? they never actually get to do what they're elected to do in the 1st place or except both of those things. so problems, yes. people are constantly campaigning and what are the points in making the book? it's not original to the book is that campaigning is different jobs and the skills of campaign they are different from government. so yes, that's a big problem. but i also think that fundamentally the executive office of any major country, whether it's the united states or germany, is designed to address the bread and butter issues of ordinary americans. what our presidents spend too much time on, or the cultural issues, issues such as a russian what, what is in schools, guns. those are not issues that presidents have the power to address. and those are not issues where they've shown any way of making progress. but they can make progress on bread and butter economic issues because they have the power of the 1st

and they have the power to actually effectuate how resources are used in our country. yeah, you're making very good points towards washington was an election to be president of the time when the americans didn't want to have a king anymore. maybe people forget that sometimes jeremy through the university of texas in austin. it's good talking with jeremy. come back and talk with this a guess. thank you for having me as well now to ukraine and to that destruction of the nova cuff cosca. damn. that happened this past summer and blowing up the damn cause devastating floods which ruined the crops in a region where people depend on forming it to feed their families and to make money . the reservoir itself was the region. so water supply. and with that, go on, people are now fearful for their future use much. it's under as more and this report late summer and across sky. and everything revolves around water.

they say to mom, asked us to please get some water. we have transport. it's difficult for her to walk to carries a little unless you look at this, this isn't ecological disaster. the water supply in this town is dry. what's provided in these barrels as whips, but it's not safe to drink. the town provides some drinking water, but it's simply not enough for everyone. people like you could email bushnell but have to organize that themselves. she takes us to our house, getting that as a mathematics and physics teacher, but like most villages here, her family lives off the land. the lack of water, even for a regression, has become an extra central threat. what's the ad on that is early coverage to see if this is the way to kabbage. you can tell from believe someone that we've got brocly there when they used to water their crops from the kafka arrested for but since the dam was destroyed,

that's no longer an option. they spend money on drilling equipment to dig a well. they could only afford to go 36 meters deep. they can use the water for the fields and around the house. but it's not good to drink. school was on systems when i was brushing my teeth in the morning. the water was like baking soda. it feels like i'm rinsing my mouth with baking powder solution, sort of a sort of them to store them. so that's a small village is like if you're not here and across the fuel, they're being left behind. while in nearby nick, a pole. sitting dollars may have water, but have different worries. from here on what used to be the bank of the reservoir, you can see russian hill territory. separate your nuclear power station is just 10 kilometers away. the whole can be no issue. i don't before they occupied that city . on april 3rd, 2022. they entered with their troops and it became clear that they would terrorize us from over there. not that it was

a lot this to who missed the. he tells us the city can use with water is left in the reservoir, but the russians are trying to stop them every so often the russians hit their target, hopes the size, uh, lots of with the show and continues today the business for that. and it's worse, wherever there is a pumping station and show more in order to deprive us of water ship lifting us will be leaving the people of makeup all without water until services restored. the regional administration is working on a permanent solution there, laying a pipe connection to comple to this party just city water system. they hoped to be done before winter. there's no such plan for villagers back up across lena and her husband of unloading the planted less than normal this season. knowing water would be scarce, but you plans to plant more next season. hopeful the new will will help keep

everything going, at least for a while. not long ago, the water that filled this space and help feed this village and people would swim and sundays on the rocks. what do you do? you know, tells us the village of say that because there is no water wolves or crossing over from the other side, most of yeah, maybe it would be good for the ecosystem for nature, for animals. but it would be best for us for the residents of the village itself. so i'm a slot. no one knows whether the dam won't be rebuilt or whether nature will be left to take over the basin. she says the villagers say if the reservoir is not filled again, they'll probably all have to leave and that was dw xbox. it's under reporting. well, today's almost done the conversation. he continues online and remember whatever happens between now and then, tomorrow is another day we'll see you then everybody. the

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dw news lines from berlin. tonight, thousands leading their homes in the corner of car box. they've been pouring into armenia hungry, exhausted, following violence in the break away enclave global powers. are calling for the people to be protected. also coming up tonight. you as president joe biden joins and striking all the workers on the picket line in michigan. it's a 1st for sitting us president. he's trying to boost his.