the reason select there's no reason that's nothing for me this. yeah, i believe something that is coming very, very soon on. we know when the story in for my reliable news from migraines, wherever they may be this week on the 77 percent street to the bait that continental people what, what do you need to do as a result of that wake item? so you are made some offer sizes from the gem i missed a point to each of the active is doesn't that make you judge jury and executioner, then you kind of do, john, you've invested in proxy green by the rule. that is why i have no business pretending to the move on to design with spend the don't owe you. people want to seem too much. my brother, i am talking about the work that made my mother have to be made. my brother perhaps

a few. we don't find me in these nigeria, i hardly print those. i've been changed that. well that's not changed, then my name is don't bruno. hello and welcome back to the 77 percent 3 debate this week. we anybody in africa nor on the threes. we're home to the global media for i'm one of the leading medium firms globally. it's mostly griggs, for those of you who live in africa, the media spaces are usually either not 3 or independence. and for that reason, some generally a forced to do a work that they did not sign up for active exams. so today, but we ask, where is that line if there is one in africa between gender and activism? and today i have a gorgeous condo here with me, look at those applicant, kind of a not less talked with you. what is activism in your mind and how does it differ from journalism and those to always be separated?

a gym. i'm a, some puts you in that speech sway you get into activism, not because you want and, but you find yourself in that speaks. so what's the difference? i the kind of gen i live them, i do is naming shame and gaming and in navigates and i've crossed that pass. i go for how to for everything's, i got the one that come up. i go into the court of law. and then i testified to tell people to show it to people, so i don't believe in exclusive gen on it. so my believing gen other than that impacts on this website. so i, jen, of them is a product of this website. and it works because i managed to get people into deal and continental people what, what do you need to do as a result of the work i do so you can call me, i must have missed. but i do, my jen. i listened and deduct deals into activism. how do you define yourself? so do you see yourself more as an activist or as a junior? i see myself as i'm active, it's because of the end product that i get. okay,

we want to do you find yourself into situations as well, where you're what sort of places even situations that you didn't necessarily sign up for you? yes, i do. and i absolutely refuse that tag activist. i'm shy away from me to i run away from me. why? because there's different types of activities. and i think if you all know play the type of activity. so you all you do that when you do get into trouble and that line can be seen. i agree with enough, but for me, i also see it as a very big effect. like it's a big gas problem my french take like so for example, we have different types of activities. you are, you don't active, it's based on your personal conviction. all your pronounce that activities by your job, all by the governments of the day who is upset, that's what you're doing. people can also be active is because of the tension on the economy, where there's this increasing top load as ation of news. and they have to put so

many ways. activism as jo nineties and then find out, i think people from the activities to drill down to somebody activities also of greed because lots of agreed. yes. correct. i said, so i said what i said, okay. unless you have something to add to that, and i totally disagree with the culture. i think that she's not looking at the dean just we fees. there's no point in doing that piece of jim m as in mike gets him up and what came up on the same street with that criminal. i see, i will take you to deal. i testify i should have called evidence. and as i'm speaking from my point of view of being that loyal, and i see that every miscalculation the amount that come by the end of the can lead to desks can lead to slates. uh, consequence, we don't become active is because we love it's demo. somebody's little bit cheap, but it's a serious business. i do have your rebuttal. i have to say, i look activism from the perspective of the don't tell the drill 9040 cubes for being a drug. and so i know the 1st time what i mean, my own father was 15 years ago for being

a drone on his he wasn't even on investigative john. and so you can't even get killed for when they call them. it's a part of the yeah, well, have another female. i don't want to seize. i have to send my family out of the country when i did speak speak building, for example. they know what to do the full full of audience. can you please tell us what seems to be put in was a vote we 3 coding wasn't investigation, answered the phone, my physical cartel, that cell coding on it was on the cobra as well. and a last with change and coding was funds. we think 24, i was still seeing some of the benefits, although that doesn't stop the drugs people move on to that room. what i said is to say, i have a clue. i'm leaving with the front of a family member died. i'm always what you my boss, nobody knows i was coming to boston for example, i just show up when i pull stuff down so strongly. yeah. well, i'd say these to say when you mix these activities in the problems that home with these means, it's no longer the way i'm not does. this is very different, but i'm talking about the pop pull out. we'll, we'll talk about this

a 2nd list of devices later, but i don't think we have answer that question yet. now me, maybe you can help me. i'm speaking about fathers would be jewels because of joint is it yours is one of them. yeah, so the shrinking mediaspace infinity, do you see yourself more as an activist or as a journalist because your cutting between these walls right? yes, absolutely. um i think i would rather define myself as an activity and i'm not, i'm not ashamed. so, so you see yourself 1st as an activist, then as a gen, yeah, okay, because i believe you don't have to be a journalist to be an activist. so i am a due to off and actually this is a john, the least he has found the, the privates press, the 1st private press group in building. and he was always seen as an activity as he was and the police custody be on times. and he's still standing advice. thank god for that. yeah. and so i'm trying to follow the fast but also to of my own

personality, i sent a yes identity as well, but i'm ok, i'm a journalist but i'm also i'm actually be split. i have to be careful. yeah, of course. okay, so we've had some impressions from beginning nigeria and gone to, but we also ask people from around the continental colleagues went around asking them how is the media space in your country? and this is what they have to say. the new government, sometimes the line between generalization and activities and can be blogs. for instance. many media organizations are owned by politicians. we on agenda. now these employee, as i've said to have it feed inflates from the reporting by the journalist. they how you sometimes, and criticized politicians in state that you've done, at least of being present toward them. 70 has previously described. private media outlets in them is but also some colleagues in the media proficient. how will flip joined punches and 4 digits to some of the most prominent politicians,

both in the government on deal position, such a different demo with several newspaper then over a $150.00 tv on regular channels has a pretty diverse media landscape. and well, that's those things in politics and media in a sense, the press here is still relatively free and able to criticize the 3rd one same as kind of an example of an act of a stern lift. is that the one photographer who turned to activism after the experience of reporting on kind of his post election violence, he would let them know and for driving, takes all the way to parliament and putting the words antiques, overindulging of the problem. and so what could decide from the powers that be may not be easy and tenure costs of many turn. let's take home corrupt, seen by policy, says, and public official is a major problem in gunner, it's affects the ordinary pressing for life. what's a, what's a good, good policy, holstead, quality education and mini mall. not reporting about this issue father,

due to of gen, i live. and that's what is that look for getting gen olives. and that's really a one now. but it's fairly own in his car. yeah. for about 2 decades, a goal for guessing concrete evidence to prosecute such a fish out meant he had to go on that. com. you didn't have to come again, at least in dream, that amount of corruption activities. what he said by governments, with some public officials, declaring him anatomy of this space. and so now known gradstaff on last hasn't become, does a multi media documentary, myka fox now, and leading activities for the ordinary people, look up to for sundays, and protecting them from the girl and abuse that we've just seen that but not through been mentioned. and so, just to contextualize, you know, why is it that gender specifically and africa turned into activities? i'm just trying to figure out sort of like what the social changes are that you are

calling for and why the journalist has a want to do it. so i think that says a for the general is, is much more close that to the people you listen to them and you realize that no mountain items, i think i believe being being sold and doing that piece of work and seem to the benefits. what society the price from that piece of work. and so if i have done no mountain of which would have been just published and what's, what's normal generally, the amount of them would mean that you have identified your thoughts as you've gotten the information. you put it out there and you can allow the rest of the states institutions to take care of it and see that states institutions equally handicapped. as we add, just as we ask dana to, i don't see anything wrong with taking one step forward home to meet the prosecutor . i am, i do not possess by a police by way, so far as if i find that criminal at that point wanting to kill,

that'd be. that's my thing. when we put in our hands to get an a showing that, that guy has busted. and i don't see anything wrong we've just done before it part of little if you be leaving that piece of work that you have done, why can't you defend it before a part of no. okay, well if i just find that and i'm pull that next, if it's so be i'm proud of it and he's good. all right, so and this is very proud of the what the he does say normal journalism doesn't cuts it. oh, well i know you have a different opinion about this. well, well, yes i do, but it's just, it's still in line. we're discussing the sense that activist activism is like we check before it's more about, you know, campaigning actively about something for change. you don't political or social change, but you want something to change. that's what you're doing, what you're doing. yes, i agree with the fact that the individuals think that they need to be actively. they let them be a, let them be proud and let them much show themselves to find that ok, then it's gonna have to be spending more likely. it's important that people are going to start with the operate time because that's the only way to do good work. because if you claim to be something else because of what the ideal defined by

society and to be politically correct, you are this your cell by the end of the day, you're going to be below it yourself or mine in your room. so i didn't, nobody's going to is probably be your self and go peace of mind that you lose when you do or need to move points is with a activism is right or wrong. i'm not going to define that without book is the way to go. i'm still going to define it. i'm seeing if this is where you are now, then beat them beat with your full chest. mm hm. yeah. until then, how do you maintain the integrity? right? so if i'm covering gender issues, i'm a woman, i definitely have a bias and that's how do i make sure these in line, and i'm not just advocating for women, and i am just being a journalist for every article you write to run me by somebody else you should always have a comfortability part and ask you to run you by somebody else to check. you didn't know the integrity is important for you to run you by somebody else moving or by us knowing that you've done to the best of your own ability. well being, we have an opening, it doesn't make you sense less us to be. you still have it thought process. you can still think through. we to say,

i still need to find balance to this truth. also this view point. ok, well let's hear the press inside when, if i believe you don't know if that's the basic things you're not using. what that's the big, that's a basic kind of in the work we do. okay, let me show you. i see, you know, think do you have something to say to me? i completely agree with some of the sentiments that one has um, no of the key on the ones that i agree with. okay. i also think that it's to have between being a journalist and being an active it's unless you say you need to be very transference and be very honest with yourself when with others, when you're switching one hutch for the ad. okay, how do you do that practically realistically? yeah. one of something like the other thing i could, that's what you said is the mazda of conflict of interest, if i'm to emotionally involved in something. and i know that it's going to a to affect the outcome of, of, of the product of, of what if i'm doing that, it's a lot i step by step. but if i tend to be clear minded what i'm doing it, or i have a come to basic button as she said, ok, so enough back to you when you have something to say to me. yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. so the female is that i've been asking myself this tendency of genetics,

the more they go down meetings all of the met. and at the end of the big society, we don't pretend that we understand like was so different than so diverse. and we still kind of fully understand who we are and so yes, i know we need these guidance as well. my own points of view. every time we talk about the tenants, i'm just not the same and i agree with them. i came into the profession, but then i thought to myself, just now using was made for my mom wasn't beautiful, janelle is inside the end of the day, we should still be able to make some changes have to be going in society. mm hm. so yeah, gonna tenant's he has got guides. well, isn't that dangerous though? i mean, that's what point do you throughout the day, you still need to put in course into consideration go ethical values, morals. what do you know what you're being hammered to be been because i feel like those things come to play every profession without doing anything without football . when you are in here at the 10s of crossing everything you do and i'm able to verify on the, the hots which i take my pictures always shows in my pictures on, i don't know how, what it does. so i'm seeing the who you are always reflect in the work you do. so yes, the could be dangerous. i really,

i haven't been in this space. can we talk about stuff like that? but i'm seeing that it's the only thing yourself to know that i can do that my, this is what i'm willing to do. i don't mean to take a risk. they won't so far has the will by risk that we're taking by different people. i agree. i think we're making this huge mistake. ok, by letting people define what 10 out of them is for us. this is what i'm out in the ivy league schools sitting though and looking out tense demo is going to be defined by your site. at the end of the the how does the weight you to lead to the progress of that site? so what might be done that lives in the gym i live. i mean, how married might be that different type of gen other than enough or so what kind of generalising would you suggest to be helping africa? i am suggesting that your journalism should be fine, but you'll people, you'll people need more drinking water, get that for them. whatever it takes to get that for them, get in for that really means that you have to go in back of it and get it for them to get it for the is really disagree with you. let me hear your voice. and that's

my brother. from the neighboring countries, i disagree with you so much. i mean, this is not because i don't agree with the fact that known in john is the him have tried to show that he didn't take that by the way. so i am assuming that it is what we do in front of it all the way from the news rooms into the academic. we do need some level way above that pulls from it doesn't matter. we do need some level of found that yeah, i'm those done. the big thing is that there should be a very clear 9 on what is on. what's his notes? for example, what well then differentiates all from the publics. we call them if we sound the same way, if we don't have any types of sound that, i mean, just imagine even with those, stand out for these type of drinking, what are we having the world that it would be ok to keep drinking live? what that was drunk centuries ago. i'm probably still being drunk drunk. not. yeah . i mean, i guess your point hold on enough. no. me, i want to come to you because let's just ground ourselves in reality here. right? we have the tennis objectives in perfect. but even be that's kind of based on it

still becomes difficult to practice and say a country like yours. so are you allowed to color the light outside the lines then as well? um, actually i'm not really allows, but i do, i do a rebel here. i really, i'm really on social media, so i, i, i'm working for tv press groups, of course, but on the side i writes white, i think on my social media platforms and on my social media platform, i am myself and i can see what ever i want mm hm. interesting. yeah. are you able to separate your identity as a journalist from your online personality? yeah, definitely do that. because when i see you online, i'll see the agenda this new me. yes. you see the john, the least, but i do it a different way. when i'm going to be presenting, for example, i have to follow the rules. i just come to keep fox. that's all on my social media platform. i comments the fact i see my minds, but it's not in

a way that we puts me in the, in a venture situation. so you have to bring your toes between activism and journalism . right? yes, i mean the medium. yeah. but not doesn't just make it a very dangerous situation then because we have the rules, but then we have thing, we could break them when it's still convenient for us. so when the society does not have structures for us, and we're saying, oh, by the way, when i'm out of the news room, then i can say whatever i want, you have to actual. so how do i do my way in a way that it come me and gets in the 2 cuts means that dress warm, it's almost a size from the gym. i missed a point into the active is, doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of and it doesn't because at the end of the day, whatever every things you produce at the end of the day to be a part of the law that will sit down with that duty gates will vary. i have to control many people in to do, and i did it with my own, where they had the own lawyers. and i love it because it's also a test of your integrity test hold. how on missed your gen, that is, i'm is, everybody should be given an opportunity to come and defend himself. this,

as you'll do it, this is how you started. this is how you plan to see it. and i such a way, i think that should be the way out. ok through on the question is, are you on the issue of trust? you might be well meaning, and perhaps you want to talk about co dean and then you are younger audiences that she always leads towards. one side to unplug government has until you've is, how do you balance that out? so you buy these again by those sets of rules that don't, that mistake, that's not ethical. i mean, i think what point needs to be me impactful john is in, is not always going, you know, not to be some on, i'm not, i'm not serious. i do not identify as one i will never identify as well. can you tell me why? i mean, this is something that is very deep. you said you do, you like like sort of like just the getting the via large the. 7 i find activity seem distract me when i have to actively care about what people say. oh, i bought my met thoughts to the essence where i come to control me. there's no want

me to control. for example, in my mind, then i have the problem. i will say that you kind of do johnny's investors, impactful going by the book. i need to still in fact from, i'm an example of that. when i did quote, dean, people were very happy with being changed. but guess what? that was. so people that came to see i was paid by a foreign government because i, my son's name is jeremiah. so i still got that block underway. people that was to say i previous, what is the french course on these points to the fact of extremism. you will always be called them activities, which are, by the way, you do your journalism. that is why i refuse the because i have no business being called of fixing into the mode of activity. mm hm. and are in with spend, they don't. oh you, yes. because if i was doing put in, for example, my name would that be which in visibility to brittany and visa for what we're gonna

take away. if somebody doesn't go to do it, does it take away from the work that she did? it doesn't take. i went by the people wanted see much, but change the site and the deep. but i'm saying, my brother, i am talking about the work that made my mother have 50, made my brother perhaps a few with the front of me. i have a big i'm, i'm going to say change came and i do, i have different lives. i've been change parks where opened offices were opened into port co dean lead jobs for 4 months. so to go home to me where we had not said that, well that's not change, then my name is not bruno. so i'd like to hear from you all based on the what we've heard yet today. do you still believe that these, that line between journalism and activism will have you shifted a little bit less of your final thoughts, naomi? i won't change my mind. i still believe that as a journalist, you need to, to speak about the facts. but you come jesse speak the fox, for example,

if there's a story happening and you know that it's not the truth, but the government for example, since he's giving a version of it. so don't say we need to say out loud, then this is not true. so you, you, you won't be coming, you'll be coming. i'm not to be somehow. you still need to follow the rules. i do agree refer you to follow the rules of don't the only thing not to be in danger, but you need to make the public in the sense that the story is not quite right. okay. let's just from you. surely, i maintain that there is a line. and for me, what's would be important is that transpired and see that we know which side you're on. if you're a journalist and you, once you activate your journalist, whichever had to putting on, that's what's about time. that is the key to your audience, so it's whoever you're listening to because of the media pushing it or they've done on the drop so much power. there's so many for looking at to listening to you. some even how you onto your very word like everything you'll see, they take it as it is. yeah. okay. oh yeah,

that's fine. yes. uh, my own point is we will keep evolving as human beings, right. so as john ellis, that's active is us advocates, dikarious. the end goal is change. uh, probably the goal is to show whatever changes we are trying to drive people well in looking at the next generation ongoing. the people who are thinking to come in to do another thing, i think what drives use key for unless it's also like it's appalling like this is like, i will see you in jail for room doesn't have seen do, but she has to just expose the story of what you was coming in to read, you need to ask yourself, why are you coming for the actual leads of the i was because yes, good job. you'll be nominated for an emmy. yeah. but that's why that is because at the end of it there's no need to young people to sleep with. we've had done a lease, we know was lose piece. yeah, because the story didn't feel and right. so we don't know what you want to know of . what's happening, story about the floods that it doesn't speak right. so i don't know. i don't personally deciding. okay, i'd like to see people in june, so i'm going to enjoy it. become a journalist. i love people don't like i'm not gonna be great on top of my face.

that's what you want to do, then what you need to consider. why? yeah. what's to what extent do you need to be on this that you like the attention of the accolades or you know what i'm going to do this because of the right thing to do for myself. i is motivation being the can i call you getting it for you? good. all right, so now, so for me, i mean, what i thought i quoted me was like, let's get just i have you brought out who was, i'm not be. so that was what motivated me wasn't any of what i didn't know the, i mean what's going to call. yeah. but for me, more important is the solution we need to about from the tv shows that these 2 big things don't you know, approximately non user practice. so i want to see eddie told us 26 people don't. we don't see jo ninety's older ladies don't people to engage. they just say you're not cbs. you don't know how to do. john is in the all got one should be i'm not supposed to be in the middle because i'm not young, but i'm not all the sound. so i feel we should try to overcome distributions. activity room is not a bond, was, is not something that we cannot speak about. well, she says,

let's be transferring. let's try to what pulled. all right to know. so because the audience, these on the proof i've done these governments already doing that. now the news is your right, an us last but not least. so i'm highlights part of my gen out of them here in gym and i dream then that went out by rough. i know there was seamless and that coverage. and i've also learned from the b, b, z o come apart from that day to day for the if i take the guides me as i work. so by the end of the day, i believe that we should ask ourselves that question. when we get into the last piece of that, how do i ensure that i get development? so jen, again, i see you full training. i see the youth and i want to emphasize that the advertising group, i will be, i'm tired of the roots in system. and they want to see a change. yeah. and if we wanted fully progress on a video conference, then we have to move towards more activism and i don't see any like the amount of them and activity on us. thank you so so much. thank you to audience at the

beginning of this debate. we us a very simple question. where is the line between activism and journalism? and as one of the people here said, it's just proper chaos when you try to define the sun. thank you all to a lovely audience here. thank you to kind of move as usual. thanks. i the

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