business be on the here's a closer look at the project. our mission. to analyze the flight for market dominance. east versus west with dw business beyond the or a week ago, either by john's military attack to the enclave. no. going to cover buck, it only lasted 24 hours, but that was apparently long enough. today the leadership of the break away region confirmed come january 1st of next year. they're going to carol block will be no more. now this week, more than half of the 120000 ethnic armenians in, they're going to care about flood their hopes. this looks like social re engineering of a region by force in real time. and it looks like no one plans to get in the way. i break out in berlin. this is the day,

the analysis of the situation show in the coming to use the will be new armenians left and they're going to cut off. this is a not to best nick planes, and i kind of bulky, armenian cannot live under the yoke of us about john. if i want to tell of a safe produce that they could have lived without the dance, they already knew what the sa, by johnny ami was capable of all can i say i'm angry at the entire well, which is fine that the washing and doing nothing also it coming out, the migraines coming to your, of the numbers are rising for years. the european union has agreed that this is a crisis without agreeing on how to handle for years. this topic of the european,

union's migration and asylum policy has been incredibly politically talks incredibly divisive. between e u. member states receive our viewers watching on cbs in the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome. we'd begin the day with the beginning of what could be the end of newborn o cover block. today, the administration of the break away enclave in either by john said that it will dissolve itself on january 1st of next year. that announcement comes just a week after a 24 hour attack on the region by the iser by johnny military, in an attempt to gain control. since that attack, more than half of the 120000 ethnic armenians living in the corner of our box, and fled into neighboring armenian. and those who haven't left or expected to do so, sooner, rather than later. no going back,

these refugees fled the homes and nick on the account or back to a menia, bringing with them only what they could carry of the homeland as they know it is collapsing. the separatist government says it will dissolve itself by the end of the year and see control to as a by john however, it's painful. having you tell me what should i think from the increments we were born and raised in the garden. oh god, obama said feeling good. so now it's just nothing and done. the lives we had has been raised on tucked down, could you ever see, and what i can put into that now, how you chico? i'm going to be jenny, kind of buffy media, but cannot live onto the yoke of concert by john change. a did vision with the some of the media used to defend us minimize, and we felt safe on them and to lift the as our meanings. who

would be high d as a by showing the government was quick to release his statement, promising to ease the integration of estimate communions, living in laguna, kyra back into the republic of as the by john but of the decades of a bit to struggle between on media and as a by john over the territory, armenians and nichol know, camera back have little face. mean is prime minister accused as a by john of ethnic cleansing. something which as a by john refutes the above it how to use the exodus of armenians from the going to cut them off as a result of us or by johns ethnic cleansing. policy continues, analysis of the situation. sure. in the coming to use there will be new armenians left and they're going to cut off on us. this is a not to best nick planes in pay more than hoff this. nicole. no camera backs uh

median population has let the territory knowing that it is very unlikely that they will ever be able to return home well, enjoying nailed by a spirit jar of low. but she's with the center of analysis of international relations in iser by showing. no, that is a think tank that's aligned with either by john's government. she joins me to 9 from boxes. it's good to have you with this this evening either by john says that ethnic armenians in, they're going to cover by have nothing to fear that they can stay. why then have we seen them leaving by the 10s of thousands 1st of all, good evening, and thanks for having me. and as, or as you rightly pointed as the virginia authorities declares out about the people living and car up off our, our citizens. and we have tried our best as a by johnny side to meet their demands to meet their needs in terms of somebody's

hiring assistance in terms of extending them and medical assistance and extending all sorts of assistance that they need. and also uh we're not so much on contact with the short that's tied to her operation. it was very precise. it was very direct. it's only to mention that just in, within the 30 targets. so no civilians actually were her hertz during this operations. and we also heard from the worth of army as prime minister new quote, washington, who's that on the 21st of september, that there were no casualties amongst the various. so this stereo and this, let's say massive leaving of people from car boss has nothing to do with as of for john's policies. it's their free choice. first of all and also somebody said that the judge that the if i the knowledge that they are living. yeah, i just wanted to say, you know, you said that there had been new casualties in the military attack last week on how, where, what's your source on that? we, of course is just we change the culture or i just refer to army as prime minister.

that's the primary source. anyone could guess. the country's prime minister said that on the 21st of september, the white one he was appealing to the nation, that there were no losses among the casual no casualties, no less is among the civilians. i mean, your stats, the official reference point that i was making, so on the intent on the part of as about jones as of a john to harm harm and a civilian. therefore, we provided all the needs that they actually needed all the assistance that they needed, as of which also declares that not only the severest civilians are not our target, the never been our target. however, even those malicious and separate tests that fought against as a by john that were illegal to depart in the car, even may have given, had been given free passage to armenia and suffers. if they're your turn to their barracks, they will also be granted. i'm the virginia government says i, what do i, i'd like to believe you, but my point is we is drillers, we it's,

it's impossible for us to get into and i'm going to call her back to verify these things. and there have been requests for either by john to let international observers into the enclave to see exactly what is going on. and either by john has said that it's not going to happen. why to? well, you know, um there are international journalists covering the stories. and we have heard some of the researchers who have been in the past and watching brought acknowledge the fax to agents from suppress that they are being pushed and they are leaving at the end of the separatist. so they are doing was on the place probably you have to look for their legal procedures or how to make this things happen. so it's not that we're not lady letting anyone there. the only concern we might be, haven't you the security concerns. so they might have some procedures to be filled in order to, let's say, fulfill all the necessities of the obligations all the requirements of security to us. i mean, security wise, we have to provide security of those people that are on into those territory. but

otherwise, there is an international coverage the, the european federation chose i just wanted to, you know, make, make it clear. has it said that in us or by john journalist have to request special uh, authorizations from the presidential administration to travel to call her back. and they say that there's authorizations are rarely grandson. it's because it's not say 1st of all there's a huge landmark contamination. and if we bring in people there to the area that are not like mine free on how can we, uh, let's say, provide their security member as a virginia lands with right there as of a gender land is the one of the most contaminated was land life in the world will the $25000000000.00 us dollars the search the years to clean those territories. and the millions of us about john is that we're expelled during the 1st car before they counted school. but only because there is a huge landline issue, only because their homes are gone. so of course, secure with the ease of things. so that's why these things are not so easy.

the european union has no common policy on migration attempts to change that have led to many, late 9 summits, but no agreements is that about to change. germany says that it's agreed into stricter processing rules for asylum seekers and migrants that are coming to the e. u. but it only appears to be blocking a packed over standards and detention centers. and in the role of in g o's, supporting migrants, several frontline countries that say that they can no longer deal with the large numbers of people arriving on their shores. well, one of the countries saying that the can no longer cope is grace began on the greek island of less books has become a symbol of the difficulties facing. the use migration policy are corresponded emily, sherwin she met with some of the people they the manual lo, john radiates positivity. that's not always easy for

a migrant living unless most no john works as a volunteer in the for re a community center on the greek island, which has been in asylum hot spot for years. he's helping with security at lunch today. low john is from war torn south sedan and arrived unless both 5 months ago he applied for asylum and for relocation to another e. u. country had this thing that we are placing inside the comments on the about the process. something about the process, the development of the asylum process, and we have no, any adults shown, we have no way to go. we can go bug and we can go ahead unless if you finish the process, the center were low. john volunteers is run by n g yos for many microns. it's a refuge, especially because many get stuck waiting in the camp and in the asylum process for years. this summer has brought a huge wave of new arrivals to elizabeth's official statistics show that camp is

already over capacity since july. more than $1300.00 people have arrived each month over 4 times more than before. the greek authorities rejected a request for access to the camp, saying they currently have too much work due to mass arrivals, the back in the community center, the n g o europe cares is concerned the situation unless both could deteriorate. with so many new arrivals, the housing capacity of the account is decreasing more and more the subject to use or some drop posts, which i huge tense. what people are leaving to gather is more levels where the hygiene conditions had a lot worse than in the other housing unit. and there is no a c, no fine. so it is, we have 2 sides as was the n g o says it has already providing food packages to over 400 people every week. in may, the greek migration ministry decided that the camp will no longer feed people whose asylum requests are not currently being processed. the long

wait for asylum in europe. emanuel lo, john, is using music to keep up his spirits. he wants the lyrics to his songs, to give comfort and courage to his fellow migrants salanza towards the noisy and before him. for as may know, when this one you spend one, it don't think, don't think too much, everything is having time. so even if the income of a thing would be fine, what i'm doing now, here's the big table by raphael goes on from the german institute for international and security affairs. i'll be able to get to see you again the, i guess, the inability of the you to agree on the migrant deal today. i mean, hinges on how to share the burden of taking in these numbers and what to do if the numbers continue to explode. i mean, we're talking about numbers that are increasing exponentially of well, considering all of this,

do you still think that we're going to have some deal to talk about at the end of the weekend as well? it is really embarrassing negotiation. i mean, this has been going on for several years and now we're in this kind of final stretch till spring next year. and it's overall over 10 pieces of legislation. so we're just talking about one today that have been previous milestones in june already, which is particularly one about the burden sharing of it's called that way. and now it's about a crisis mechanism which has been particularly controversial because this crisis mechanism is not actually about sharing the burden. i mean, it is, has some elements of that, but it's mostly about what kind of lee will do leeway. do we give countries if they think they are under exceptional pressure, there's always some pressure, but what is the threshold and then what are you allowed to do? and many critics have said, well, this is basically opening the door for even more abuses or normalization of the state of exception me. of course the counter argument is we need some kind of mechanism of the some kind to deal with exceptional situations. so that's been

a really hot battle, so we are apparently close to agreement. but us, so what often happens in the you, there is a light lights twist and the last minute and one countries does have some extra requests. and so that's what we are in. but let's see, there is a deal though, is it going to impact the number of migrants arriving in the well, not immediately, any way. i mean, if all goes according to plan, all these laws or almost all of them will be passed in next spring. and then they will have to put into practice, which takes at least another year. so it's a, the may mean i don't want to talk this down. it is important really critically important to have a perspective that we come back together after everybody trying to blame each other, right, but it is a long term project and so there is no solution around the corner to just kind of magically decrease numbers in the next few months and also have to disagree

slightly. i mean, we are in a serious situation. and particularly because in germany we have in many of some other countries taking a lot of the craniums dealing with a different rate regime here. but still for schools in housing, it's the same but the number of regular asylum seekers. yes, they're out, but there's not the same as in 2015. and so i'm going to, i'm going to ask you if we use, if we look at the use migration policy, pre 2015 and compared to what it is now, it hasn't improved. and if that was a reference before we had a 1000000 people coming into germany, as a matter of fact, the actual legal policy that we have is about 10 years old. it was agreed on 2013 and then came the big shock. and everybody realize, hang on this is not really quite working as we thought it would. and so well, in that sense it's not better. but of course you could say, well, we've had a long negotiation and learning process and that was on the table now. may be

better, i mean there are tons of criticisms on the table still. yeah. um, but if it goes according to plan, yes, it might work in the sense that we would have for some migrant quicker procedures. perhaps we'd also have more returns. we should have more incentives for states to actually follow the rules because of the moment we have rules, but they're not really implemented. so, but this is a lot of think if, what do you say, what do you like the devil's advocate like this and say what, you're just, you know, you're making these baby steps forward, but actually, you're just doing band aids on the problem. you're not really, you're not fixing it. well, uh, sure, yeah, i mean it's a huge compromise. it is a huge compromise. but at the same time, we also should be realistic, not just putting blame on europe or you know, this will be other government look at the us. i mean, there is, there isn't the solution out there. you know, you can only make it somewhat better, somewhat less chronic, hopefully more humane. but migration will stay with us and also, you know, asylum is an important thing that we conscious delegate

a way to 3rd countries. so yes, it's politically on the pressure at the moment, but we also have to be clear on that. the, the, the notion of the right to asylum and the, you know, the right to have border protection. that is something that's like target number one here in germany right now. for a lot of people we, when you've got regional elections coming up on how, what's the potential of these elections, torpedo, we any possible progress right now at the level? i don't think there is going to be a direct impact, but we have some measures going on nationally just the data driven. government announced not stationary, but flexible. border controls to poland. i mean, that's a clear signaling. you know, for the next elections. there is also other debates about, you know, social benefits or others. so this was strange and their turn policy is on the national level. but of the level. well, i mean actually it made this deal possible because in a sense, germany,

how to drop its objections. because you know, something seemed to be necessary to be doing, you know, so i wouldn't overrate that. i'm more worried about it. so the staying the course because that is a bit more one of the time. yeah. well, we will see because of the, the new prime minister, certainly willing to speak your mind. that is for sure. but if you have a song, it's always walk, you'll get to see things coming in. the defense ministers of germany. it is real. they've signed a deal to supply the is really made missile defense system error. the 3 to germany, the hypersonic system will become a key part of a german lady, european defense against any aerial attack, berlin hoops to have it up and running within 2 years. the agreement signed today is also the largest deal in the history of israel's defense industry.

here's the german defense administered speaking after signing that to as a sub, wondering what time its without exaggeration, the historic day for our 2 countries were in agreement that the arrow system will make german at defense fit for the future. just thoughtful, full time. you want to go to austin. it's one of the best if not, the best system team is. and we're very glad that we could really come to the signing of the memorandum of understanding today after relatively short negotiations. come on. all right, we're now i want to bring in bradley bowman. he is a senior director of the center on the with jerry and political power at the foundation for defense of democracies. he's going to choose harvard this week here on the day, right. it's going to see you again. what kind of protection will the arrows is to provide it into? or what is it protecting your from? or? no, thank you. the arrows 3 is a us is riley built missile defense interceptor. the truly designed to the feet medium range, ballistic missiles. it's what we call x. so atmospheric interceptor,

which is fancy language. we're saying that it's meant to deal with missiles coming from outside the atmosphere. the arrow system is part of a tiered missile defense system. the israel and united states have developed together aero system, is that the highest tier young davids flying in the middle in arn dillman, the bottom from home. well, obviously the pros, unprovoked invasion. ukraine is concentrated in many mines in europe. there. i say from this side of the atlantic that does such, you know, the systematic use of missiles and draws it gives not only military formations, but against us. the billing is for instruction civilians themselves is not a relic of the distant past. and so that's catalyze efforts to increase air missile defense capacity. and iran is been, has the largest, the ballistic missile arsenal in the middle east, and has been working to extend the range of the missiles, some of which can already reach eastern europe. and pretty soon, most of europe will be under the threat umbrella of a ronnie and ballistic missile,

the deal for germany to buy the arrows resistant on that deal is now done, is a 2 year timeline for getting the system operative. is that a realistic one? as you know, early reports, as you said in the lead up, i suggest the germans are looking to feel the system at least to have an initial operational capability, as we say by i o. c. by 2025 as someone and follows the weapon systems full time, i'd say, as a general rule, such projections can sometimes prove optimistic. but in this case, i think berlin, looking at the threat picture, is going to want to keep this on the schedule. and israel and is rarely, industry will be here to show that they can deliver on time. so i have no doubt that all parties involved will be sprinting. a, but uh, unexpected difficulties sometimes pop up. yeah. this, this is printing that you're talking about. the jimmy chancellor or shoulds 1st moved to by the system last year. i mean, these things normally take years here. so i mean, what does this rapid purchase? what does that tell us?

how the russian invasion of ukraine, how it's focused. mine's on defense spending and investments. no, it's, it's a great point. i think, got the brutal nature and putin's war and ukraine has really reiterated that you know, such horrible things can happen. and our adversary sometimes target not just military formations, but also civilians and civilian infrastructure. so if you envision a large scale, god forbid, more between nato and russia. and then you realize that you're gonna have to protect more than just military units. you're gonna have to protect cities, sibling infrastructure, and logistical nodes, ports, airports, that sort of thing, that increases significantly the amount of aaron missile defense that you need. and you want the error missile defense to be integrated, solve the, all the different systems kind of communicate with one another and operate in a seamless way. the error of 3 missile system is it's a key part of the european sky shield initiative. germany is the cornerstone of

that initiative. i'm wondering what's um, washington's view of the system. i mean, washington's view is that we walk a lot. i can't speak for the government. but from my perspective, you know, there's a general american feeling that we welcome increased european defense spending. we want your opinion, governments to honor their commitment to spend at least 2 percent of gross domestic product on defense. and if i were making a top list of things, i'd like germany to spend money on. i would say integrated air missile defense is one of them. so those europeans sky shield in michigan is designed to facilitate the multi national acquisition integration of these capabilities in germany. your writers play the leadership role. the goal is to lower costs by economies, scale purchases and increase effectiveness. the, you know, the big idea in the air missile defense these days is you want to have any sensor to be able to work with any shooter. so that you don't have the stand alone systems that can't communicate with one other and cannot operate together in a seamless, quick and integrated manner. so that's what, that's why it's so important,

the different nations involved, coordinate and don't by stand alone systems that can't be integrated. i've got about 45 seconds of, you know, speaking of other countries on france is not very happy with reliance on technology from outside europe. on some european countries, france over in italy and spain have not signed up to it. would that amount to a fatal flaw in the system? you know, you know, france is an important valuable ally. i know that. but, you know, kind of what we're hearing from parents, i would say politely, is a part of a longstanding playbook where parents often likes to kind of sidelines us and others. because by doing so that increases french power in europe. you know, but france isn't the only country with domestic politics we're allies, but our industry is complete. but i think at this moment, given the severity that threats we confront, we really should focus more on what is the best system and how quickly can we get it deployed. 4 rather than which defense companies getting to deal with the building with the foundation for the defense of democracies brands always, we appreciate your time in your analysis. thank you. thank you. as the day is

always done, the conversation continues on line. every member, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see you then everybody, the,

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the this is dw news live in from berlin. tonight. the leadership of the break away enclave. but they're going to cover bucket announcing on january 1st. we will no longer exist. the announcement comes in the wake of a mass exit is more than half of the 120000 ethnic armenians fleeing after and attacked by the ice or by johnny military last week. also coming up, european union struggling to agree on new rules on migration even after germany says that it would.