or a week ago i thereby john's military attack to the enclave. no. going to cover a box. it only lasted 24 hours. but that was apparently long enough. today the leadership at the break away region confirmed come january 1st of next year. they're going to carol block will be no more now this week, more than half of the $120000.00 ethnic armenians in, they're going to care about flood their hopes. this looks like social re engineering of a region by force in real time. and it looks like no one plans to get in the way. i break out in berlin. this is the day. the analysis of the situation shows and the coming tuesday will be new. armenians left and they're going to cut off. this is a not to best nick planes, and i kind of bucky armenian cannot move on to the yoke of us about john

if i want to tell of a safe produce that they could have lived without the tickets. they already knew what the so by johnny ami was capable of all can i say i migrate the entire well, which is fine, the washing and doing nothing also coming out, the migraines coming to your of the numbers are rising for years. the european union has agreed that this is a crisis without agreeing on how to handle for years. this topic of the european union's migration and the silent policy has been incredibly politically talks incredibly divisive. between e u. member states receive our viewers watching on tv as in the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with the beginning of what could be the end of newborn o cover book. today,

the administration of the break away enclave in the eyes or by john said that it will dissolve itself on january 1st of next year. that announcement comes just a week after a 24 hour attack on the region by the iser by you on the military, in an attempt to gain control. since that attack, more than half of the 120000 ethnic armenians living in newborn, no power, but have fled into neighboring armenian. and those who haven't left or expected to do so, sooner, rather than later. no going back, these refugees fled their homes and nick on the account or back to a menia, bringing with them only what they could carry the homeland as they know it is collapsing. the separatist government says it will dissolve itself by the end of the year. and see control to as

a by john park. it's main full having you tell me what should i think some billing commits we were born and raised in the garden. oh god above that feeling good. so now it's just nothing in dust. the lives we had has been raised on tucked down could and the other thing is what i can put into that. now, how you, chico, i'm going to begin the kind of buffy media and cannot live under the yoke of concert by john change. a did vision with the some of the media used to defend us minimize and we felt safe on them and to lift the as our meanings. a little bit high. the as a, by showing the government was quick to release his statement, promising to ease the integration of estimate communions, living in laguna carol, back into the republic of as the by john but of the decades of a bit to struggle between on media and as a by john over the territory,

armenians and nichol know, camera back have little face a mean is prime minister accused as a by john of ethnic cleansing. something which as a by john refutes the above it how to use the exodus of armenians from the going to cut them off as a result of us or by johns ethnic cleansing. policy continues to check analysis of the situation. sure. in the coming to use there will be new armenians left and they're going to cut off on you. this is an act of ethnic cleansing pay more than hoff this. nicole know camera backs uh, median population has flipped the territory. knowing that it is very unlikely that they will ever be able to return home well, enjoying no buy as we were job. no, but she's with the center of analysis of international relations in either by show i know that is a think tank. there's a line with either by john's government. she joins me tonight from boxes. it's good

to have you with this this evening either by john says that ethnic armenians in new york, no power of i have nothing to fear that they can stay. why then have we seen them leaving by the 10s of thousands 1st of all, good evening and thanks for having me. and as, or as you rightly pointed as a virginia authorities declares out about these people, living in car boss are our citizens. and we have tried our best as a by johnny side to meet their demands to meet their needs in terms of somebody's hearing assistance in terms of extending them and medical assistance and extending all sorts of assistance that they need. and also when, as a bridge on conduct of the short that's tied to it or operation, it was very precise. it was very direct is only to image and that just in between the terry targets. so no civilians actually were heard hurts during this operations . and we also heard from the words of army as prime minister and you question down,

who's that on the 21st of september, that there were no casualties amongst civilians. so this stereo and this, let's say massive leaving of people from car boss has nothing to do with as of for john's policies. it's their free choice. first of all and also some is that the judge that jeff or o if the knowledge that they're living? yeah, i just wanted to say, you know, you said that there had been new casualties in the military attack last week on how we're, what's your source on that? we of course, is just, we can't do the transfer to or i just refer to army as prime minister. that's the primary source. anyone could guess the country's prime minister said that on the 21st of september, the white one he was appealing to the nation that there were no losses among the casual no casualties, no less is among the civilians. i mean, yes, that's the official reference point that i was making, so on the intent on the part of as of our jobs as of

a john to harm harm and a civilian. therefore, we provided all the needs that they actually needed old assistance that they needed, as of which also declares that not only the civilians, civilians are not our target the never been our target. however, even those malicious and separate tests that fought against as a bridge on that were illegal to deport in the car, even may have given, had been given free passage to armenia and suffers. if they're your turn to their barracks, they will also be granted. i'm the virginia government, said i, what do i, i'd like to believe you, but my point is we, as journalists, we it's, it's impossible for us to get into and i'm going to call her back to verify these things. and there have been requests for either by john to let international observers into the enclave to see exactly what is going on. and either by john has said that is not going to happen. why to? well, you know, um there are international journalists covering the stories. and we have heard some

of the researchers who have been in the past of watching roy acknowledge the fax to agents from suppress that they are being pushed and they are leaving at the end of the separatist. so they are doing was on the place probably you have to look for their legal procedures or how to make this things happen. so it's not that we're not lady letting anyone there. the only concern we might be, haven't you the security concerns? so they might be some procedures to be filled in order to, let's say, fulfill all the necessities of the obligations. all the requirements of security goes. i mean, security wise, we have to provide security of those people that are on into those territories. but otherwise, there is an international coverage the, the european federation chose, i just wanted to, you know, make, make it clear. has said that in us or by john journalist have to request special uh, authorizations from the presidential administration to travel to call her back. and they say that there's authorizations are rarely grandson. so because it's not say, 1st of all there's a huge landmark contamination. and if we bring in people there to the area that are

not land line free on how can we, let's say, provide their security member as a virginia lens. the birth as of agenda lance is the, one of the most contaminated was land life in the world. will the $25000000000.00 us dollars the search the years to clean those territories? and the millions of us are by john is that were expelled during the 1st car before they counted school. but only because there is a huge landline issue, only because their homes are gone. so of course, secure with the ease of things. so that's why these things are not so easy. the european union has no common policy on migration attempts to change that have led to many, late 9 summits, but no agreements is that about to change. germany says that it's agreed into stricter processing rules for asylum seekers and migrants that are coming to the you. but it only appears to be blocking a packed over standards and detention centers. and in the role of in g o's, supporting migrants,

several frontline countries that say that they can no longer deal with the large numbers of people arriving on their shores. but one of the countries saying that they can no longer cope is grace the can on the greek island of less books has become a symbol of the difficulties facing. the use migration policy are corresponded emily, sherwin she met with some of the people they, the emanuel lo, john radiates positivity. that's not always easy for a migrant living unless most no john works as a volunteer in the for re a community center on the greek island, which has been in asylum hot spot for years. he's helping with security at lunch today. low john is from war torn south sedan and arrived on let's suppose, 5 months ago. he applied for asylum and for relocation to another

e. u. country had this thing that we are placing inside the comments on the, about the process. so now about the process, the development of the asylum process, and we have no, any adults shown, we have no way to go. we can go bug and we can go ahead unless, if you finish the process, the center were load, young volunteers is run by engineers. for many migrants, it's a refuge, especially because many get stuck waiting in the camp and in the asylum process for years. this summer has brought a huge wave of new arrivals to elizabeth's official statistics show that camp is already over capacity since july. more than $1300.00 people have arrived each month over 4 times more than before. the greek authorities rejected a request for access to the camp, saying they currently have too much work due to mass arrivals. back in the community center, the n g o europe cares is concerned the situation unless both could deteriorate.

with so many new arrivals, the housing capacity of the comp is decreasing more and more the subject to use. also drop posts, which are huge tens. what people are leaving to the other is more levels where the hygiene conditions had a lot worse than in. yeah, the housing unit and there is no a seat, no fun. so it is really hot. inside this was a c, n g o says it is already providing food packages to over 400 people every week. in may, the greek migration ministry decided that the camp will no longer feed people whose asylum requests are not currently being processed and the long wait for asylum in europe. emanuel lo, john, is using music to keep up his spirits. he wants the lyrics to his songs, to give comfort, encourage to his fellow migrants. i want that story. 2 the noise here before him for as may know can do something just don't want it. don't think i don't think too much. everything is having time. so even if the income of 25,

that's what i'm doing now here at the big table by raphael, both on from the german institute for international and security affairs, i'll be able to get to see you again the i guess the inability of the you to agree on the migrant deal today. i mean, hinges on how to share the burden of taking in these numbers and what to do if the numbers continue to explode. i mean, we're talking about numbers that are increasing exponentially of well, considering all of this, do you still think that we're going to have some deal to talk about at the end of the weekend? well, it is really a marathon negotiation. i mean, this has been going on for several years and now we're in this kind of final stretch till spring next year. and it's overall over 10 pieces of legislation. so we're just talking about one today. they have been previous milestones in june already, which is particularly one about the burden sharing of it's called that way. and now

it's about a crisis mechanism which has been particularly controversial because this crisis mechanism is not actually about sharing the burden. i mean, it is, has some elements of that, but it's mostly about what kind of lee will do leeway. do we give countries if they think they are under exceptional pressure, there's always some pressure, but why does the fresh hold and then what are you allowed to do? and many critics have said, well, this is basically opening the door for even more abuses or normalization of the state of exception me. of course the counter argument is we need some kind of mechanism of the some kind to deal with exceptional situations. so that's been a really hot battle, so we are apparently close to agreement. but as so often happens in the you, there is a light lights twist and the last minute and one countries does have some extra requests. and so that's what we are and well, let's see, there is a deal though, is it going to impact the number of migrants arriving in the

well, not immediately, any way. i mean, if all goes according to plan of all these laws or almost all of them will be passed in next spring, and then they will have to put into practice, which takes at least another year. so it's a, the mean they don't want to talk this down, it is important really critically important to have a perspective that we come back together after everybody trying to blame each other . right. but it is a long term project, and so there is no solution around the corner to just kind of magically decrease numbers in the next few months and also have to disagree slightly. i mean, we are in a serious situation and particularly because in germany we have and many of some other countries taking a lot of ukrainians, dealing with different rate regime here. but still for schools in housing, it's the same. but the number of regular asylum seekers. yes. there are up is not the same as in 2015. and so i'm going to, i'm going to ask you if we use, if we look at the use migration policy,

pre 2015 and compared to what it is now, it hasn't improved. and if that was a reference before we had a 1000000 people coming into germany, as a matter of fact, the actual legal policy that we have is about 10 years old. it was agreed on 2013 and then came the big shock. and everybody realize, hang on this is not really quite working as we thought it would. and so well, in that sense it's not better. but of course you could say, well, we've had a long negotiation and learning process and that was on the table now. may be better, i mean there are tons of criticisms on the table still. yeah. um, but if it goes according to plan, yes, it might work in the sense that we would have for some migrant quicker procedures. perhaps would also have more returns. we should have more incentives for states to actually follow the rules because of the moment we have rules, but they're not really implemented. so, but this is a lot of think if what do you say and what do you like the devil's advocate like

this and say what, you're just, you know, you're making these baby steps forward, but actually you're just doing band a just on the problem. so you're not really, you're not fixing it. well. sure, yeah, i mean, it's a huge compromise. it is a huge compromise. but at the same time, we also should be realistic, not just putting blame on europe or you know, this will be of the government. look at the u. s. i mean, there is, there isn't the solution out there. you know, you can only make it somewhat better, somewhat less chronic, hopefully more humane. but migration will stay with us and also, you know, asylum is an important thing that we conscious delegate a way to 3rd countries. so yes, it's politically under pressure at the moment, but we also have to be clear on that the, the notion of the right to asylum and the, you know, the right to have border protection. that is something that's like target number one here in germany right now. for a lot of people we, when you've got regional elections coming up on how,

what's the potential of these elections, torpedo, we any possible progress right now at the level? i don't think there is going to be a direct impact, but we have some measures going on nationally just in david's from government announced not stationary, but flexible border controls to poland. i mean, that's a clear signaling. you know, for the next elections. there is also other debates about, you know, social benefits or other so this was changing policies on the national level. but on the level, well, i mean actually you've made this deal possible because in a sense, germany how to drop it's objections. because you know something seem to be necessary to be doing. you know, um so i wouldn't overrate that. i'm more worried about it to the staying the course because that is a bit more one of the time. yeah, we will see because of the, the new prime minister is certainly willing to it on speaker mind that is for sure . a few of us on it's always walk. you'll get to see things coming in or

the, the defense ministers of germany. it is real. have signed a deal to supply the is really made missile defense system error. the 3 to germany, the hypersonic system will become a key part of a german lady, european defense against any aerial attack, berlin hoops to have it up and running within 2 years. the agreement signed today is also the largest deal in the history of israel's defense industry. here's the german defense and ministers speaking after signing that to you. as a sub, what time it's without exaggeration and historic day for our 2 countries. we're in agreement that the arrow system will make german at defense fit for the future, just thoughtful, full time. you want to go to the often it's one of the best, if not the best system, the team. and we're very glad that we could really come to the signing of the memorandum of understanding today after relatively short negotiations. come on. all

right, we're now i want to bring in bradley bowman. he is a senior director of the center on military and political power at the foundation for defense of democracies. he's going to choose harvard this week here on the day, right? it's going to see you again. what kind of protection will the arrows is to provide and who or what is it protecting your from? i don't know. thank you. the arrows 3 is a us is riley built missile defense interceptor that's really designed to the feet medium range, ballistic missiles. it's what we call x. so atmospheric interceptor which is fancy language. we're saying that it's meant to deal with missiles coming from outside the atmosphere. the arrow system is part of a tiered missile defense system. the israel and united states have developed together aero system, is that the highest tier young davids flying in the middle and are in dome in the bottom from home? well, obviously the pros, unprovoked invasion. ukraine is concentrated in many mines in europe. there. i say

from this side of the atlantic that does such, you know, the systematic use of muscles and drones, it gives not only military formations, but against us. the billing is for instruction civilians themselves is not a relic of the distant past. and so that's catalyze efforts to increase air missile defense capacity and are on is been, has the largest ballistic missile arsenal in the middle east and has been working to extend the range of the missiles, some of which can already reach eastern europe. and pretty soon, most of europe will be under the threat umbrella. ronnie and ballistic missile, the deal for germany to buy the arrows resistant on that deal is now done, is a 2 year timeline for getting the system operative. is that a realistic one? as you know, early reports as you setting the lead up, i suggest the germans are looking to feel the system at least to have an initial operational capability, as we say by i o. c. by 2025 as someone and follows the weapon systems full time,

i'd say, as a general rule, such projections can sometimes prove optimistic. but in this case, i think berlin, looking at the threat picture, is going to want to keep this on the schedule. and israel and is rarely, industry will be here to show that they can deliver on time. so i have no doubt that all parties involved will be sprinting. a, but uh, unexpected difficulties sometimes pop up. yeah. this, this is printing that you're talking about. the german chancellor or shoulder 1st moved in the system last year. i mean, these things normally take years here. so i mean, what does this rapid purchase? what does it tell us? how the russian invasion of ukraine, how it's focused, mine's on defense spending and investments. no, it's, it's a great point, i think uh, the brutal nature and curtains war and ukraine has really reiterated that you know, such horrible things can happen. and our adversary sometimes target not just military formations, but also civilians and civilian infrastructure. so if you envision a large scale,

god forbid, more between nato and russia, and then you realize that you're going to have to protect more than just military units. they're gonna have to protect cities, sibling infrastructure, and logistical nodes, ports, airports, that sort of thing, that increases significantly the amount of aaron missile defense that you need. and you want the error missile defense to be integrated, solve the, all the different systems can communicate with one another and operate in a seamless way. the error of the 3 missile system is it's a key part of the european sky shield initiative. germany is the cornerstone of that initiative. i'm wondering what's um, washington's view of the system. i mean, washington's view is that we walk a lot. i can't speak for the government. but from my perspective, you know, there's a general american feeling that we welcome increased european defense spending. we want your opinion, governments to honor their commitment to spend at least 2 percent of gross domestic product on defense. and if i were making a top list of things,

i'd like germany to spend money on. i would say integrated air missile defense is one of them. so those europeans sky shield in michigan is designed to facilitate the multi national acquisition integration of these capabilities in germany. your writers play the leadership role. the goal is to lower costs by economies, scale purchases and increase effectiveness. the, you know, the big idea in the air missile defense these days is you want to be have any sensor to be able to work with any shooter. so that you don't have the stand alone systems that can't communicate with one other, operate together in a seamless, quick and integrated manner. so that's what, that's why it's so important, the different nations involved coordinate and don't by stand alone systems that can't be integrated. i've got about 45 seconds of, you know, speaking of other countries on france is not very happy with reliance on technology from outside europe. on some european countries, france voted in italy and spain have not signed up to it. would that amount to a fatal flaw? in the system, you know, you know, france is an important valuable ally. i know that. but you know,

kind of what we're hearing from parents. i would say politely, is a part of a longstanding playbook where parents often likes to kind of sidelines us and others. because by doing so that increases french power in europe. you know, but france isn't the only country with domestic politics we're allies, but our industry is complete. but i think at this moment, given the severity of and threats we confront, we really should focus more on what is the best system and how quickly can we get it deployed rather than which defense companies getting to deal right in the building with the foundation for the defense of democracies and brands always we appreciate your time in your analysis. thank you. thank you. as the day is always done, the conversation continues on line and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see you then everybody, the

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