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tv   The Wagner Group  Deutsche Welle  September 29, 2023 2:15pm-3:01pm CEST

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the o mode and everything was going well. and that's the, then the war began. it is sort of how everyone was forced out. the this is my father. what? what's his name? best way of what is it, o g, the invest quite his hands were tied. yes. who's that? my brother in law comes. i told bosh comes up to the bush for them quite as you know. his hands were also tied with plastic. see how that works? can i encourage a couple, would you like to leave the upload a sent a way the women in his family and some relatives,
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he kind of let me see that for you to necessarily city on september 23rd, 2019 at around 3 pm. total 7 or 8 born or has entered the house. let me just see if there's gonna be any. what does that mean that they were probably russian, bruce or the my brother mohammed mohammed are the norm and it gets plastic film. definitely. you know, if it's monday enough, so just like the others listen yes. one second them who were also tied up like that more but you can't get free. so sort of any lame on board july any but you know, let how about i told him he should go fish and whom is that, why did he stay look on as if he was too proud to go. he told me he was ready to die in his house and with the
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in april 2019 libyan war. lower general. hi, lisa has launched an assault on the un recognize government and previous capital. tripoli, the, it soon became clear that half those troops known as the libyan national army, the l. n. a, were not acting alone. the server that the intelligence agency reported on it. can you cut them? not that many of them you're on an estimate of 200 people, me to answer about them. but the fighting went on or the number grew up or what we
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might need from the start. these forces made a difference on the battlefield. a clear different was how can and they had weapons we'd never seen before as to how they can then was howitzers will see any precision guided ammunition can snipers. 7000 home was a muscle counters the they hit with a him daddy, those 10 he was of a they could take out a moving car. no time. totally from ken. hey, anyhow, for the last they were highly trained militarily in the account of the deep asked me for unlike uh, sort of to discount me the any, i mean,
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can we any uh, jimmy, unless they or the same clothes helmets in body or the the canada we found out who they were when they went to the front them and i'm, i'm in front of you. they were mainly russians or from countries of the former soviet union savvy. about 4 months reporters from the bbc's, arabic and russian service is carried of research into russian mercenaries in libya . the they're known collectively as the wagner group, but who is dog now? and why was the group in libya? and most importantly, who was pulling the strings, the then unlucky break the
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okay, here we go by them. how? that's how the, the, the we've got this is tablets. it's government troops has found us not on sort of the about the court to hold them to the fucking alternate. well, it belong to one of the wagner men who were stationed in the islands. our area was in the south of tripoli. i can't imagine why he didn't see multiple things are going on. douglas and i tried that and there are a lot of houses on the most important is offline maps. many locations are marks of on come up, the one on a and i, the them in. and monica where the, this, the, this is triple a. in the west of livia, all the names are and russian. many locations are marked in different colors, savvy them in america, or next to them, and when sound like a like a minimal problem below. last most, most in read below and others are in blue. when i got it done by the clubs, a few smaller places in black, we even see yellow here, and those are the now,
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as you see, all the points are near ions are of the south of triple is all the whole. yeah. if you're going to look that up with the adamant again i is the, we're going to ions are the middle where this tablet was found on lines that are kind of the items are a head, a heavy russian presence according to the civilians and military personnel who were they asked the and the kind of want to come up to them and them as you can see in the areas now m terminate is or if there was a mass exit is for hines, or at the time of the things that it's residents returned. once the war and i know the, they were way for more than a year and on the southern center, it's better to want to find me
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high some while i finally spend 9 weeks fighting wagner mercenaries in ons are they were only 10 kilometers from tripoli. can i do some of these on the enemy was over there by the tower and the musk. skinner. and then they drove up and down in an armored vehicle with their wounded countries of how the oh and you can most of the time. this is where the russians had their observation post, where they're snipers were stationed. let's have a look at the, you know, where was the sniper exactly?
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at the moment this was his domains. hacking them. and it said, we were at the end of the street saying, oh, can i take them as you get a clear shot in several directions? not everything in view, and they can, they may not have. what do you think about the russians who are here? the mercenaries. anyhow, they only care about money for a heavy you need to search um they kill. so let me do to see if they commit crimes for money. so that's the problem that in and is it's a criminal organization. one of them was it on me so.
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ringback really about about, off has been researching the wagner group for the bbc for years pioneer. so these, so these are the locations that were saved by the bag and a soldier on a tablets as they were fighting. so they would have the tablets on them and all these locations were saved as landmarks. so do you have a significance to a soldier in regards to the fights and they were doing and names are. so a 5 starts from the top here. and this is the closest point to ship really. so this would be a nines are fine line. i'm going to zoom in a bit more. it is, is me. this could be a list of targets. for example. they write to thermal targets. it's for nighttime
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arrival. decent reach below, we'd see it may be that meant a shell land in there at night. so i don't know it's the do with this. so feel free zoom in here earlier is this mohammed's station. it probably means some kind of local commander was working with them because lower down is the word study. so the kids, so due to the arabic means, friend. so they can use of they called the troops. they cooperated with and syria substitute troops and d. c. that's apparently what they call general half cars forces and lydia was come up and she learned very simple language and so called sound like code names. they probably had a check point at the junction of each other to come to the judging from the code names,
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the read positions are those of the mercenaries. so any of these things from the code names that we have for some of the soldiers will when we be able to identify them? yes, of course he's cute. we have list says wagner personnel with names and code names and events. and you say that to me just because there's no that's those nobody we could use this map to start digging limits. and that's a stupid thing to do. some of the typical buttons that are most someone is that the wagner group is one of the most secretive organizations in russia. i could send that because it doesn't even officially exist, but it's important that you present more than 5000 people are found to be part of this organization, named after the great german composer. when you get to compose you and i don't mean to bug longer mercenaries don't give interviews done. you that you do to former
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members agreed to talk to us if we kept their names and identities c criminal. but it was for the semester, could i mean, mean not uniqueness defined the doesn't mean these are their exact words spoken by actors sort of what i need to get finance because some of us to start with something simple as you can company. how would you explain who the wagner group is and what it does to someone who's never heard of any distort? does that can use that? so if you 2 models and you might have, you had an unnatural stobel, i still knew i'd probably start by telling them what i was told when i joined the patrol about that just to go to control it. but it knows it's an organization that supports rushing interest to y'all and our country's borders. so to get to that, but it does much not live upon union a. so because of the church, you know,
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it takes on special tasks that means military operations east. supposing what kinds of people joined and then what is left to me, there are 3 category. you have 3, could you go to a at the low g. firstly, men who can't imagine any other life for themselves at what the corn mercenaries. so that to that list job is the only way they want to live and earn a living. we split that. um so you know, any of, of shit sports is that about the in your junior, the proficiency that i get, you go to italy, you get 3 categories, 2 people with a sense of hopelessness. any more would make you was more or less the just to envision that they can't see any other way to support themselves. i knew
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exactly who did we come because there is no other option to go to a jetta mind to keep. and the 3rd category romantic, usable, dreamers in search of an adrenalin hit. you know, also want to serve their country. issue was more of a list, but literally did cheese the lab no units font alongside pro russian separatists in eastern ukraine in 2014. in 2015. they showed up in syria and then the central african republic ensued on and in 2018 libya. over the last time we started getting reports of russians fighting for the so called wagner group on hop tar side in the fall of 2019 half that i cannot see a heidi how the scene with this of us, the media, it's in front of us. i don't know exactly how many were in libya still peace, 500,
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but the 150. so if 1500, the numbers very not what they were there and 2019. that's a fact for we saw mercenaries come in on both sides of the conflict. you also had a number of the syrians, thousands of syrians who were brought in uh on the part of the on behalf of the jenae through through turkey. we were concerned about this, you know, insertion of mercenaries and weaponry that was perpetuating, intensifying the conflict and leading 1st and foremost to be a mr. ration of the living people. this need needed to stop because we knew there was not, there was going to be a military solution to this conflict. came a form of as far as i understand, it was so cool. the russian government's position was the following. legal,
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you have left them joint and we'll wait it out. was hardly in the front of your mother. yes, i cannot. these, you can look at these usually if it works out well, we can use it to our advantage. and if it turns out badly, then we had nothing to do with it much that are are there. so last time we spoke we um, we shared with you uh, some of the exams are found by the tablets, other locations or the tablets. um, can you tell us why you manage to find the yes, we ran all the names and code names of wagner fighters thought to have been in libya through a database. the database was compiled by ukrainian volunteers during the fighting and eastern ukraine in 201420155 university unit b, that we were able to identify 2 or 3 of the fighters on the triple lima by it. so i
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thought as to the back of the 3 kinds of people you oh wow, that's amazing kit. are you able to share with me one of the identities on in the chat? so can have a look which is which we now know that this is dimitri, but on se was born in 1993 is code name, so lank. that makes sense. and it's the name of a river embody. gotcha. and the russian far east of them is weird. see, he's from pretty up to you and that explains his code name a g d daniels farm. the certificate for you is personnel number shows. he's one of the 1st people that joined bog down in the, in the mid those with numbers up to 3000 are those who went to fight 6 years ago in ukraine and not an issue. they went through syria and they're now in africa, which is to the earliest the thank you, looking at his birth date is about 28 years old. so that means he started fighting, providing there at the start of his twenty's. yes, judging from his age,
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he probably completed his national service, then ukraine conflict started. that's how he got involved. you'd be doing so as a pacifically. but what we'll do is i've sent you another link to the this is the date and mid scheme. it tells him as a door, andre of it, i hope i pronounced that correctly. well, it's more of how the code name meddler made me to the meta, exactly a short version of his surname. and that's the kind of showing that you will find the way information every minutes together about this guy. he's interested, he's significantly older than photo and stuff over 35. judging from his personal number, he also joined fog near 5 or 6 years ago during the fighting an eastern new crane. but in the best i can can i you me area. um. so just seen this interesting picture
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of this guy um with a big tattoo units and a chest. um any idea of it is tough to means? yes, i see its a sun wheel. he's probably some kind of nazi. i'm not say i don't, this is a common thing amongst the soldiers. yes, there are some. so do you have um is now i'm a phobic believes in. i don't think they care if they fight in muslim countries or anywhere else. they started out finding an orthodox ukraine, and that didn't seem to matter. i don't think religion is the main thing here in a business, and you're good to go to, to be an option. what was it that attracted you to the organization?
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didn't give money? what do you mean you know, to belong to them by to a good fit the but i'd already been a volunteer fighter and done boss in ukraine able to go and you don't mind to keep away in the i no longer believe in the romance of war. certificate by not and i knew the reality. so get onto the website. yeah. i just needed the money to junior, which that's good. we. when did the talk about going to libya start? did you believe that was going to show we started talking about it early on? i'm sure whenever there's some kind of armed conflict. wagner soldiers talk about it. luckily, i'm not sure and good. you could go to this one. that could be one for us. i would look to the political one the door. but almost as cuz a standalone and get a, it's a, comes up at the getting every contract and every country means money. yes. and you have to come without a contract, no money. so can you do that or what the pricing to be? the minimum?
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how many wagner people were deployed in libya? believe me. yeah. as my brother, i know about 2 units and they were replaced by another to me, i knew about them. so if you have some tubs of on the school, how many men genuine was i don't know exactly around a 1000. i can get the some with the friends in going to these each i so that's what a i some, i have a tablet that we got from one of the wagner locations of my equipment and on and off months, we're buying them. their forces are in red, yours are in blue. let me see how the i was stationed here the 2nd time you've ever long and thought when you were stationed there? yes, 50 the enemy knew precisely where you were or how does that deal with them either.
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any so it's a strange feeling to think that they tracked all our movements. obviously already been well enough for them to come to me to find out if that was the wagner position . we'd located whether this is one of our positions and that's partners other than we can, but you can over here for fun or the fits a trench, anything in advance or how are they able to locate you is so precisely what it failed us and they monitored us with small drones, the home number 5, the front of me identify and some of the wagner menu were fighting. would you like to know who they were? their name is on the pictures, the smell, homo song of the ticket. so the, the, this is one of the points saved on the tablet that's, it's named after one of them in this $150.00 is called metal or so it's uh
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uh, that was our position investments. cameron, who are his full name is said or, and the telecom was born in 1984, which makes and on $37.00 about that i think it's set up as a sort of that's his picture. this is one of the guys who were fighting on you and see what it feels weird. of course, that is much older than you send them before are these are supposed to sure. our guys are 21 years old and that's a huge difference that it can be really my any effective way or the, and bruce. and so that would be the they were fighting well trained russians all older than 30 and then and no can as close to the man. and i for one more moment, imagine what the battles would have been like if our people had been the same age. most of you give canyon and i said, hey, cool,
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the discussion of go get with you man. you have just, i mean, i served for a long time in the organization in syria credential. us these kick a one year window, libya campaign star table. i didn't want to take as far as you learn, you does a not in syria, so many people and definitely not in libya way of leading the links, you know, just to see if i took part in the storming of palmera virginia and you've to meet the liberal ration of the oil fields school could tell, many of them died little but now i'm always glad you asked me too many. we know part of the numbers. ok. we know that one of their primary re minutes was to protect the pulmonary helped
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mirror area. that area is really the heart of oil and gas production in, in syria. we saw spreadsheets with, you know, millions and millions of roubles being transferred in exchange for providing infrastructure, security and perimeter, security and securing the oil and gas facilities. and the wagner group would get a portion of the take from, from the production. basically, the draft of the contract became public in early 2018. the 2 partners were allegedly, the syrian government and a russian company, andro ponies. the russian company not only appear to profit from the gas and oil production, but was also apparently connected to the wagner group in libya. what's been at stake there are, you know,
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both oil um delivery from the ports as well as gas production facilities in that sort of been gauzy area. and then, you know, going, you know, south and east word we're haft are, is, is prevalent. the wagner mercenaries are sought to have taken up positions and key libyan oil fields. after the assault on tripoli, a contorted what it means is that 3 statues honor the wagner. you brooks comfortably play music. one shows a soldier, protecting a child is sick. if the artist had been honest and the soldier would be protecting an oil, the last quarter won't have to move with go. i said i am the sort of general hardware let's all of this guns most digital. they were many serious crimes committed during the civil war.
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many were forced out of the system of to house that. i mean, the 1340 was under siege. my know in the people were severely impacted with mentally and financially as outcome. the homes were destroyed. all that position stolen to many died in this will. children and women when he's out a mother she has to go. i've spoken to miss maurice, committed a heinous crime against the family. and espia says, 3 of us of them on the 5th that that was, should be in september. we were in this house and s b a on september 23rd 2019. so it was 3 o'clock in the afternoon on friday midnight. and that we were about to go back to our other farm popular, we mentioned on the group on the road and they started shooting in the air. definitely. and image mom and 6 or 7 mercenaries entered the house and they were
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foreigners, and it was clear they were from the wagner group lip soon. uh, they put hoods over our heads, but we could still see a little that can know you and mr. toby, you a couple and they put us in a car, a nissan or a so suki. and they took us to the concert, been gosh, year waterfront and adjustable. su residents secretly film the videos that showed the faces of lot, now mercenaries and libya for the 1st time on the side. i'm so level us at 5 or 6 am they put us in the back of the nissan of then they took us to the neighbor's house. and how is it like a it had an out building and its 6 am they lined us up their side by side. when it
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went to a 100 was vision i was at one end. i'm sure about putting numbers before when one of them drew his gun home can and i knew he was going to shoot. let me have this that. how does that mean if it a few nights cell and pretended to be dead, but they'll have it's been months mine as soon as ross and the muslims, it was dark and i looked kind of some stuff for the family was lined up along this goals and i'm going to tell you that some of the so let's see if this is where the wagner man committed their crime. got definitely been hickey. i waited about 5 minutes until they left things out of the room and i heard the car leaving, so yeah, the other 2 must come into the waters. my father and brother and brother in law were all dead. how does that does to can you describe any of the people who fired at you want to find out and, and also what i look at on a so i sort of had this one was outside the supermarket and s b. i was involved and
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it's not like enough and it's got heavy. well, you know, not him, but a similar type image. my one of them is from the far east shift from the far east. yes. in other words, sort of the could you recognize him? yes, it is the same. do you recognize him? that's him. that's the stuff. how they did he have the same hair cut? next? yes, but scientists. are you a pause? not his name is glad you made an announcement. what are your aliases? my alias. it's vaca. readings to my wife, my mother, my daughter, and my friends, and the republican for out you when seems twice more of a good that he was born in 1978. look, his code name is rocca. see, he was in syria and, and libya that was accused of killing prisoners would be about williams
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. he was allegedly involved in the execution of ukrainian soldiers. and could i ask william, that's a little issue. ukrainian activists are tracking wagner mercenaries who font in eastern ukraine. we've, i've never mentioned that since we believe we, we can have us to complain. they've identified his last known location of seen as north africa, nobela cuts, cable it the save it in there. often it comes with anthem. but this is disputed by voc as friends on social media. i think it certainly will come and you of course welcome to somebody. believe you, they say he's alive and well at home in body, etc. i don't know where to is always that will we? we were unable to contact me and done of the you have to keep it. is it just look, i mean, is that the tech is president center recently the 2000 bach and
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a messen rays were in libya. miami, uh no, you want me to go uh like a company vox enough she uses, i mean, if russian citizens are there, then they're not acting on the orders of the russian state. and they're not getting money from the russian state police here. it's almost like a little though a trouble signal, so you can ask protein as many questions as you're lying yourself listening. we've heard many answers, but nothing makes sense. i hear and we'll see if it's clear that without the state supports of a company like that could never exist outside of not, for example, like when you've got personnel and equipment being transported in defense, ministry, plains use some of or in russian navy, cargo planes to syria, for example, here's the thing that i see, the, the, something that the uh,
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florida machine the libyan army attract wagner positions and saw that a dean south of tripoli, in february 2020. the government forces received military support from turkey, which helped to turn the tide against wagner. the group had been trying to find fresh supplies, the visa requests for military equipment. they were sent just a week after president putin denied supporting russian mercenaries in libya. the the,
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the 1st thing is immediately of this, having had to look at this equipment request list is that now primarily russian manufactured and produced weapons. these are not weapons of easily available ass on the open market. the 272, they are ordering has probably been upgraded. i wouldn't say sites with yeah. it's probably got at least some of the nicest equipment on it. this isn't a unit that is content to go into the field with seconds ready to quit. if there was one type of weapon that jumps out to you as probably the most advanced thing or, you know, new point of view, the most interesting. why would it be? there's a one piece of equipment that stands out here and it's a particular right of the state to deal. and that radars task will be to collide analyze electronic signals intelligence over
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a much wider area. so that kind of leads one to assess that pos of this unit may well be feeding intelligence fading electronic intelligence up to a higher level. who do you think that might be for in order to be able to approve this kind of way? for me is obviously someone, well connected, hire either politically or militarily within the box in a group. and clearly some of them with extremely good access. and my interpretation to the russian government the, to do these look like genuine documents, independent. that's absolutely no doubt about it. about the quote via the do you know who signed this 9 is the code name for mr. wagner or mr. who can,
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who can himself, the good naturedly watkin was once a part of a russian special forces unit. his code name, wagner. because of his admiration for the nazis who appropriated the music of the german composer. the vote can is thought to be the founder and commander of the wagner group that has got to, here's a clue, company you've a company, abriel police and you most of it was active in oil producing areas and syria. seen this. it introduced us besides this information is about radio communication equipment. the boston battle. i had that as piece and these are receipts for radios made out by field commanders who took part in the attack on tripoli is
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going to get, you know, the media reports, link police to business. man. you've got any precaution goals and them. he's known the russian president vladimir putin for a long time. there's been some of the media call him pollutants chef on zillow. getting real simple, but i'm the most come november 2018. the footage of general half cars visit to the russian defense ministry. the among those present the you have guinea, pre goes the flyer. thank you for supporting the libyan people. and for your a in our fight against terrorism, the general hosta launched his
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assault on tripoli just 5 months later. i so you're getting for gordon is a well known russian oligarch who for many, many years was very close to the put in routine. but he is under sanction now by the united states. and so are his businesses, the pacific you but a senior. these documents are addressed to a general director just who could that be the most and with the most, i think the general director is you have any per goshen the way outside the the, the list that's interesting were kind of the thing here, but i sure if they're writing to the general director of the goshen. as a businessman, he runs restaurants on you know, what they need to pay for the steam commute, but here they say they need tanks don't facing as well. but they have to go to talk to that means that the russian army is a serious organization. and to get a tank,
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you have to at least negotiate with someone as high as a general director. so it's like you're not gonna affect the minimum of a regular company commander can't just go and pick up a tank whenever he needs one or hopefully someone gives me more of a play tv that thought this new mobile precaution. can you help me? i think so, they're not just writing these letters for funding, but what's the, what they want to tax, the publishing of the quote to ordinary soldiers, say about precaution with the cook. um, it's like in harry potter where no one is allowed to say the name voldemort will email. it's a taboo subject. it's better not to mention it to him, a lights, or you might end up in a metal box with a messed up face for 2 weeks that you like i just really, as i'm convenient, it sounds good to me. it's only because you goes to the bottom, you didn't use it in the heat and the metal container has been completed. that so
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with a messed up face. if you have any pre goals and spokesman denies any connection between pre goshen and every police as well as any human rights abuses committed by russian citizens in libya at 11 15 am this morning's here un headquarters in geneva. the 2 libyan delegations signed a complete country wide and permanent cease fire agreement with immediate effect. the parties agreed that all military units and armed groups on the front lines shall return to their camps. this shall be accompanied by the departure of all mercenaries and foreign fighters from all the band territories within a maximum period of 3 months from today. so so, so, so, so, so, so the units have left their mark on tripoli in the form of minds and booby traps
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the words danger mines are written on this wall. well yeah, an arrow shows where they are logging in on that wall. there, at least 3 children have died in this neighborhood of 3 children from that ultimately a yes, from families that came back. i sort of see how to get closer to minds. you're always worried that you could lose someone you want to come in at the report, say thousands of foreign fighters remain in libya including members of the wagner group, the
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