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the modem and everything was going well and s b a. then the war began is sort of out. everyone was forced out this is my father what? what's his name? that's more of what is the g. the invest? quite his hands were tied. yes. who is that? my brother in law comes. i told bosh hands at the bush. for them quite as you know, his hands were also tied with plastic. see how that works. can i encourage a couple, would you like to leave the upload a sent a way the women in his family and some relatives, he kind of uh, let me see that for you to necessarily city on september 23rd,

2019 at around 3 pm. total 7 or a newborn or has entered the house. let me just see. and this would be nice. what was, what was that they were probably russian, those are the my brother mohammed mohammed or the norm and it's plastic film. definitely. you know, if it's not enough, so just like the others listen yes. one of them who were also tied up like that more but you can't get free so sort of any lame of what you need. but you know, let, how about i told him he should go fish and whom is that, why did he stay? what kind as if he was too proud to go. he told me he was ready to die in his house and with the

in april 2019 libyan war. lord general. hi lisa has launched an assault on the you and recognize government and leave us capital tripoli. the it soon became clear that half those troops known as the libyan national army, the l. n. a, were not acting alone. the, it's gonna be the, the intelligence agency reported on it kind of cut them. not that many of them. you're an estimated 200 people, me to answer about them. but the fighting went on or the that number grew up of what the

what are the from the start these forces made a difference on the battlefield. a clear difference was how the kennedy had they had weapons we'd never seen before as to how they can, the most howitzers will see any precision guided ammunition can snipers and thousands of homeowners. you can also kind of as the they hit with aimed at those tenny results. they could take out a moving car, no time. totally from ken. hey, anyhow, for them. and they were highly trained militarily in the account of the deep asked me for, unlike goes to the media any, i mean on can we any jimmy? honestly, they all were the same close helmets and body or the the

canada. we found out who they were when they went to the front. i'm and i'm in front of you. they were mainly russians and for from countries of the former soviet union savvy. 4 months reporters from the bbc's, arabic and russian service is carried of research into russian mercenaries in libya . the they're known collectively as the wagner group, but who is dog now. and one was the group in libya and most importantly, who was pulling the strings, the been unlucky break. okay,

here we go. by them. how do you the doctor, we got this tablet. government troops found a lot on sort of the about the call to hold them to the parking lot on why it belonged to one of the wagner men who were stationed in the islands. our area was in the south of triple a kind of majority. didn't seem on top of things are going to dallas, and i tried that and there are a lot of houses on the most important is offline maps. many locations are marked on come up to the one on a and id them in, in monica, or the see, this is triple a. in the west of livia, all the names are and russian, many locations are marked in different colors out even in markham. or next to the edwin sonic a like a minimum of probably below last most, most in read below and others are in blue. and they've already been bothering me quite a few smaller places in black. we even see yellow here, and those are the that, as you see, all the points are near ions. are of the south tripoli sorta, who are you,

if you're going to look that up with the adamant again, i is the, we're going to ions are the middle where this tablet was filed with the names that are kinda items are a head, a heavy russian presence according to the civilians and military personnel who were they asked the and the kind of want to come up to them and them as you can see in the areas now m terminate is or if there was a mass exodus for hines or at the time instead of things that it's residents returned once the war in the they were way for more than a year and on the southern center, it's better to want to find me

high some why finally spend 9 weeks fighting. wagner mercenaries, in ons are they were only 10 kilometers from tripling. and i do some of these on the enemy was over there by the tower and the mosque. they drove up and down in an armored vehicle with their wounded corners of house. oh and you can must look at that. this is where the russians have their observation post where they're snipers were stationed. let's have a look at the, you know, where was the sniper? exactly at the moment this was his

domains of the packing them was infinite settlement. we were at the end of the street saying hesitant ah, okay. not to tom hodges. he had a clear shock and several directions to everything in view. and they could have been out of there, i asked, what do you think about the russians who were here? the mercenaries. anyhow, they only care about money. for a heavy you need to search. um they kill somebody. did you go from the commit crimes for money? i'm coming in and let in and it is, it's a criminal organization. one of them is it only really about about off has been researching the wagner group for the bbc for years

pioneer. so these are, these are the locations that were saved by the bag and a soldier on a tablets as they were fighting. so they would have the tablets on them and all these locations were saved as landmarks. so do you have a significance to a soldier in regards to the fights and they were doing and names are so, and if i start from the top here, and this is the closest point to ship really. so this would be a nines are fine line. i'm going to zoom in a bit more. it is is this could be a list of targets. for example, they write to thermal targets or nighttime arrival. diesel reach beloved said it

may be that meant a shell landed there at night. so i don't know who to do with this. so if you feed zoom in here earlier, is this mohammed's station. it probably means some kind of local commander was working with them, because lower down is the word study. so the kids so due to the arabic means friend so they can use of they called the troops, they cooperated with and syria substitute troops in d, c, d, w. that's apparently what they call general half cars forces. and lydia was come up and she learned very simple. it actually was in so then good and so called sound like code names. they probably had a check point at the junction of each other as it comes to judging from the code names, the read positions are those of the mercenaries. so and if you think from the code

names that we have for some of the soldiers, will we be able to identify them? yes, of course. he's cute. we have list says wagner personnel with names and code names . and they can use it as you send me just because there's no that's those. no, but we could use this map to start digging limits. and that's still the complex thing to do. the typical buttons that are, unless someone is at the wagner group, is one of the most secretive organizations in russia. i could send that because it doesn't even officially exist, but it's important that you provide more than 5000 people are found to be part of this organization, named after the great german composer. when you get to compose you and i don't mean to bug that across the mercenaries, don't give interviews done. you that you do to former members agreed to talk to us if we kept their names and identities see criminal,

but it was for the semester. could i mean, mean not uniqueness, to explain the meaning of these are their exact words spoken by actors sort of what i need to get it running his cousin level as well. some of us to let start with something simple as you can company. how would you explain who the wagner group is and what it does to someone who's never heard of any distort? does that can use that. so if you're 2 models and you might, it's not just a little, i still knew i'd probably start by telling them what i was told when i joined the show in a board, which i just thought i could do it. but it knows it's an organization that supports rushing interest to y'all and our country's borders. so to get to that, but it does much not live upon union. so because of the church, you know, it takes on special tasks. that means military operation was east. so then what

kinds of people joined and then what is led to me? there are 3 categories to you. all 3, could you go to it the little g. firstly, men who can't imagine any other life for themselves at what the corn mercenaries. so that to that list job is the only way they want to live and earn a living. we see that that. um so you raise nobody left shit. sports is that about the in your junior book of what they prefer? you see that i get you go to italy, you get 3 categories, 2 people with a sense of hopelessness. any more would make us more, let's see. they're still existing now. they can't see any other way to support themselves. i know exactly who did we come because there is no other option. good. yeah. i don't mind to keep and the 3rd category, romantic, feasible,

a dream or is in search of an adrenalin hit. you know, also want to serve their country. issue was, was list best literally did cheese of 500 units fund alongside pro russian separatists in eastern ukraine in 2014, in 2015. they showed up in syria and then the central african republic ensued on and in 2018 libya. over the side, we started getting reports of russians fighting for the so called wagner group on half to our side in the fall of 2019 half. the cannot see, how do you have seen with this of us, the media, it's in front of us. i don't know exactly how many were in libya. still peace, 500, but the 150. so if 1500,

the numbers very not what they were there in 2019, that's a fact. we saw mercenaries come in on both sides of the conflict. you also had the number of the syrians, thousands of syrians who were brought in uh on the part of the on behalf of the gen a through through turkey. we were concerned about this, you know, insertion of mercenaries and weaponry that was perpetuating intensifying the conflict and leading 1st and foremost the misinformation of the living people. this need needed to stop because we knew there was not, there was going to be a military solution to this conflict of from, of as far as i understand it. cool. the russian government's position was the following. fairly hol, let them joint and we'll wait it out. we're hardly in the front of the mother. yes,

i cannot. these, you can't. it's not easy. if it works out well, we can use it to our advantage. if it turns out badly, then we had nothing to do with it much that are either so last time we spoke we um, we shared with you uh, some of the exams are found by the tablets under locations or the tablets. um. can you tell us why you manage to find the yes, we ran all the names and code names of wagner fighters thought to have been in libya through a database. the database was compiled by ukrainian volunteers during fighting an eastern ukraine in 201420155 university unit b, that we were able to identify 2 or 3 of the fighters on the triple lima by it. so i thought of the proposal, the 3 kinds of people you oh wow,

that's amazing. are you able to share with me one of the identities on in the chat? so can have a look which is which we now know that this is dimitri, but on se was born in 1993, which is code name. so letting that makes sense. and if it's the name of a river embody gotcha. and the russian far east of them is weird. see, he's from buddy up to you and that explains his code name. did you me a junior? did you want me to assist you with his personnel? number, it shows he's one of the 1st people that joined wagner, who called me to explain to me that it was with numbers up to 3000. what are those who went to fight 6 years ago and ukraine's and not an issue? they went through syria and they're now in africa allocated to the early so the looking at his birth date is about 28 years old. so that means he started the fight and we were back in there at the start of his twenty's. yes, judging from his age,

he probably completed his national service, then the crane conflict started. that's how he got involved. and you said you'd be doing sort of the pacific on which we stood, or what if i've sent you another link, but i don't check this my pretty soon the, this is the data and, and me, it's kim at tell kids and say door and tray of it, i hope i pronounced that correctly as model how to code name meddler made me to the meta, exactly a short version of his surname. and that's the kind of showing that you will find me. what information everybody's together about this guy. he's significantly older than but on top over 35, judging from his personal number, he also joins wagner, 5 or 6 years ago during the fighting and the eastern new crane being the best i can, can i, you know, and yeah. so seeing this interesting picture of this guy was

a big tattoo units on a chest. any idea what is taught to means? yes, i see it's a sun wheel. he's probably some kind of nazi or nazi. i don't. this is a common thing amongst background soldiers. yes. there are some so do you have um it's not a phobic believes in. i don't think they care if they fight in muslim countries or anywhere else. they started out finding an orthodox ukraine and that didn't seem to matter. i don't think religion is the main thing here in a business, and you're good to go to, to be an option. what was it that attracted you to the organization? didn't get the money with him and you know, as of the little numbers to catch the but i'd already been

a volunteer fighter and done boss in ukraine able to go and you don't want to keep away in the i no longer believe in the romance of war certificate by not i knew the reality. so get onto the website again. i just needed the money to junior, which, so that's good. we went to the talk about going to libya, start distributing. but it's going to show we started talking about it early on. i'm sure whenever there's some kind of armed conflict. wagner soldiers talk about it. luckily, i'm not sure and go, you could go to this one. that could be one for us. i wouldn't go to the polluted one the door. but almost as cars are starting to get a, it's a contract at the ding every contract in every country means money. yes. and you have to come through without a contract? no money. so did you do that or what the pricing to be? the minimum, how many wagner people were deployed in libya?

we yeah, i was my brother. i know about 2 units and they were replaced by another to me. i knew about them. so if you have some tubs of law school, how many, many union members? i don't know exactly around a 1000 i seem to get the some cause of getting into these each i so that's an i some i have a tablet that we got from one of the wagner locations of my uh, equipment and on and off months were buying them, their forces are in rid, yours are in blue. uh, let me see how the i was stationed here, the fucking town river long. and then when you were stationed there, yes, 50 the enemy knew precisely where you were or how does that deal with the model is

over already. it's a strange feeling to think that they tracked all our movements. obviously already been well enough for them to come to me through the final, but that was the wagner position. we've located whether this is one of our positions and that's partners, whether they can, but you can view for fun or the sets of trench or anything in advance. or how are they able to locate you so precisely? and go to the doctor and they monitored us with small drones. the home number 5 in front of me identify. and some of the wagner menu were fighting. would you like to know who they were? their name is on the pictures as not home. oh so i don't of the, this is one of the point saved on the tablet that's it's named after one of them in municipal part of this called metal or some mixed up. so that was our position and then an estimate of cameron who are his full name is said or to

tell can i was born in 1984 which makes in on $37.00 about that i think the center as a sort of that's his picture. this is one of the guys who were fighting in se hoodie, it feels weird. of course that is much older than you send them before. these are believed in the amount of supposed to. sure. our guys are 21 years old. so that's a huge difference that it can be a really miami effects of where the and boost it says that it means that they were fighting well trained russians all older than 30 and then and no can as close to the man. and i for one more moment, imagine what the battles would have been like if our people had been the same age and was add, you keep canyon. and i said, hey, cool, the

discussion of the ma'am, you have to study. i served for a long time in the organization in syria for going to us these get them one year. when the libya campaign started envelope, i didn't want to take as far as the learn you does a not in syria so many but, and definitely not in libya vulnerability. the least you know, just well. i took part in the storming of palmera, virginia, and you've to meet the liberation of the oil fields. scope. it's how many of them died. well, i'm always glad, but judy, we, if you asked me too many, we you know, put up the numbers. ok. we know that one of their primary re minutes was to protect the pulmonary helped mirror area. that area is

really the heart of oil and gas production in, in syria. we saw spreadsheets with, you know, millions and millions of roubles being transferred in exchange for providing infrastructure, security and perimeter, security and securing the oil and gas facilities. and the wagner group would get a portion of the take from, from the production. basically, the draft of the contract became public in early 2018. the 2 partners were allegedly, the syrian government and a russian company. as real posies. the russian company not only appear to profit from the gas and oil production, but was also apparently connected to the wagner group in libya. what's been at stake there are, you know, both oil um delivery from the ports as well as gas production facilities in that

sort of been gauzy area. and then, you know, going, you know, south and east word warehouse are, is, is prevalent. the wagner mercenaries are sought to have taken up positions and key libyan oil fields. after the assault on tripoli, a contorted know what it means. that's 3 statues. honor the wagner. you groups comfortably play music. one shows a soldier. protecting a child is sick. if the artist had been honest and the soldier would be protecting an oil the last quarter, well and you've to move with i said i am a new sort of general. how do i look at all of this guns? most people say, well, many serious crimes committed during the civil war to be many were forced out of the system of to house that. i mean the 134 the was under

siege. my know in the people were severely impacted us mentally and financially as outcome. the homes were destroyed. all that position stone and there's many died in this will. children and women, one fuser, the mother, she has to go. i've spoken to mercenaries committed a heinous crime against a family in espia says 3 of us of them on the 5th that that was should be in september. we were in this house and it has to be on september 23rd 2019. so it was 3 o'clock in the afternoon on joining the item that we were about to go back to our other farm popular. we met an armed group on the road and they started shooting in the air. this is all and image mom and 6 or 7 mercenaries entered the house and they were foreigners and it was clear they were from the wagner group left. so

and they put hoods over our heads. but we could still see a little that can you and help you out a community, they put us in a car, a nissan or a so suki. and they took us to a concert, been gosh, year for the phone and it goes to the us. you residents secretly film the videos that showed the faces of loc, now mercenaries and libya for the 1st time on the side of the house at 5 or 6 am they put us in the back of the nissan of then they took us to the neighbor's house and how is it that it had an out building sauce and its 6 am they lined us up their side by side when they

couldn't talk otherwise vision, why was it one and i'm sure what about numbers, but when one of them drew his gun home, can and i knew he was going to shoot, that must have this that. how does that mean to for the stuff, you know, i fell and pretended to be dead, but it's been months madness and miss ross and the muslims, it was dark and i kind of some stuff for the family was lined up along this goals and i'm getting tired of some of the so let's see if this is where the wagner man committed their crime. got definitely been hickey. i waited about 5 minutes until they left the room and i heard the car leaving the other 2 must come into the waters. my father and brother and brother in law were all dead. how does that does to can you describe any of the people who fire that you want to find out and, and also what i look at on a so i sort of had this one was outside the supermarket and s b. i was involved and it's not like enough and it's kind of heavy. well, you know, not him,

but it's similar type and much more. one of them is from the far east stuff the far east. yes. so in other words, i'm sort of, could you recognize him? yes. is this tim? do you recognize him? that's him. that's the stuff. how they did he have the same hair cut next? yes, but scientists are you other than that? his name is will that he made it on donald. what are your aliases? my alias is vaca readings to my wife, my mother, my daughter, and my friends, and the republican for out you. when seems to us more of a good that he was born in 1978 and then move his code name is rebecca. see he was in syria and in libya the that the was accused of killing prisoners will be about williams. he was allegedly involved in the execution of ukrainian soldiers. could i

ask when i sold a ship? ukrainian activists are tracking wagner mercenaries who font in eastern ukraine. we've got enough to mention that since we believe we wouldn't have us to complain. they've identified his last known location of seen as north africa, nobela cuts, cable it the save it in there. often it comes with anthem. but this is disputed by voc as friends on social media. i think it certainly you will communicate, of course. welcome to somebody. believe you, they say he's alive and well at home in body, etc. i don't know where to is always that all we we were unable to contact me at and on of the so do you have to keep it? is it just to come in, is that the technician president center recently? the 2000 block and a messen rays were in libya. miami, uh now you want me to go uh like on the combined the box. now. i mean,

if russian citizens are there, then they're not acting on the orders of the russian state, and they're not getting money from the russian stay you believe. well, let's go to the low. i talk a little so you can ask protein as many questions as relating exclusively something we've heard many answers, but nothing makes sense. i hear it's clear that without state supports of a company like that could never exist outside of north of, for example. so like when you've got personnel and equipment being transported in defense, ministry, plains, use some of or in russian navy, cargo planes to syria. for example, here's the thing that i see the, the something with a number of float and i see the libyan army attract wagner positions and saw that

a deep south of tripoli. in february 2020. the government forces received military support from turkey, which helped to turn the tide against wagner. the group had been trying to find fresh supplies. the . these are the requests for military equipment. they were sent just a week after president pretend denied, supporting russian mercenaries in libya. the, [000:00:00;00]

the, the 1st thing it's immediately of this, having had to look at this equipment request list is that now primarily russian manufactured and produced weapons. these are not weapons of easily available ass on the open market. the for the 272, they are ordering has probably been upgraded. i wouldn't say sites with yeah, it's probably got at least some of the latest equipment on it. this isn't a unit that is content to go into the field with secondary to equipment. if there was one type of weapon that jumps out to you as probably the most advanced thing, or, you know, the new point of view, the most interesting, why would it be? there's one piece of equipment that stands out here and it's a particular right of the state to deal. and that radars task will be to collide analyze electronic signals intelligence over

a much wider area. so that kind of leads one to assess that part of this unit may well be feeding intelligence fading electronic intelligence up to a far higher level. who do you think that might be for in order to be able to approve this kind of with me is obviously someone well connected, hire either politically or militarily within the bag in a group. and clearly some of them with extremely good access. and my interpretation to the russian government the, to do these look like genuine documents, independent. that's absolutely no doubt about a couple of the, you know, who signed this 9 is the code name for mr. wagner or mr. who can, who can himself,

the imagery in was, was part of a russian special forces unit. his code name wagner. because of his admiration for the nazis who appropriated the music of the german composer. the photon is thought to be the founder and commander of the wagner group. there's because got to, here's a clue. come find the company, abriel police, unless any most of it was active and oil producing areas in syria. seen this or did you do this? so this information is about radio communication equipment, boston battle i, that i was present. these are receipts for radios made out by field commanders who took part in the attack on tripoli is going to get you to move

one of the media reports, link police to business. man, you've got any precaution, you people, and he's known the russian president vladimir putin for a long time, but it's just the media call. the importance chef on zillow. gave me those simple, but i'm the most go november 2018. the footage of general half cars visit to the russian defense ministry, the among those present the you have guinea pre goes the flyer. thank you for supporting the libyan people. and for your a in our fight against terrorism, the general hosta launched his

assault on tripoli. just 5 months later, i so you're getting for gordon is a well known russian oligarch who for many, many years was very close to the put in routine. but he is under sanction now by the united states. and so are his businesses the pacific able to ship these documents are addressed to a general director. who could that be the most? and with the most, i think the general director is you have any per goshen. we applied for the new list that's interesting. one of the thing here, but i sure if they're writing to the general director, the goshen is a business man. he runs restaurants on you know, what do i need to pay for the steam commute, but here they say they need tanks don't facing as well. but they have to go to talk to that means that the russian army is a serious organization. and to get a tank, you have to at least negotiate with someone as high as

a general director. so it's like you're not gonna affect the minimum of a regular company commander can't just go and police as well as any human rights abuses committed by russian citizens in libya at 11 15 am. this morning's here, new un headquarters and geneva, the 2 libyan delegations. signs a complete country wide and permanent ceasefire agreement with immediate effect. the parties agreed that all military units and armed groups on the front lines shall return to their camps. the shelby, accompanied by the departure of all mercenaries and foreign fighters from all libyan territories. within a maximum period of 3 months from today. so so, so, so, so, so our other says, oh,

the units have left their mark on tripoli in the form of minds and booby traps the words danger mines are written on this wall. well yeah, an arrow shows where they are logging in on that wall. there. at least 3 children have died in this neighborhood of 3 children from that up for the yes, from families that came back us, we're gonna ask you how to take this quote to the mines. you're always worried that you could lose someone. you don't have them in the reports, say, thousands of foreign fighters remain in libya, including members of the wagner group.

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