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you know, my name is theodore, at a time investigating, i'm 34 years old. i've been in prison for 10 years and 6 months. second, the abortion is a crime. thanks to our constitution and some of the word. and so one of the few countries that bands abortions, in all cases, the human rights organizations take advantage of women's language cation, answer,
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forced propaganda and lies. they make the murderers of their unborn daughters and sons. it's a cruel act. it's a barbaric act. the as the who missed it was the 13th of july, 2007 due at the name and i was 9 months pregnant is that i was working in the central san salvador. and the pain was unbearable
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to montana when i started making calls me the settling. my baby is about to be born and i said, i can stand the pain. come help me. so simply so many of the police said they would come right. but they never did know you that the we have to look into my baby was born there and then germany, i fainted. the look at when i woke up and i tried to get help the. why did you kill her and asked me. i haven't killed any one. i said the applicant, she said yes,
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you killed your daughter for nick. now you have to pay the time, i didn't mind, i kept passing out and i just remember waking up and then same thing again when i was almost at the a dental office, i've been imprisoned ever since the middle, the 1st they said it was an abortion in it, when they changed it to aggravated homicide, they sentenced me to 30 years. the when, when the door opened, i didn't want to look inside the any of it, but it in the community. i didn't want to talk to anyone.
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i didn't want anyone to come to me just so we had an enemy live in. i wanted my baby, but i'd already bought clothes for her that that was so excited. let me see if the machine women sleep on the floor at 1st. and i was left on the floor for 7 months. and as i used to live there crying and staring at the wall, wondering when i'd be able to leave the club. and when the truth would come out during the day that i was afraid that i would never get out again. i thought i won't survive. i'm going to die your money in a moment till the end of the hearing in january 2008. i didn't have a lawyer to defend me. if my parents had given a lawyer, $700.00 to take my case, i guess of the slippery damage. but if he demanded that they give him land
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cattle house and the car by the gentleman that allow me to my parents, asked me if they should give him the house. but i couldn't leave them on the street . so i decided not to have a lawyer. i prefer to stay in prison longer if it meant my parents and my son would still have a place to live. as you gave me sad that as an able to get out of the i don't know how the years went by. and my son grew up without me. the 25 is my parents were always worried because they didn't have money to visit me. i was 21 and i was born
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one day when he was 3 years old. i got pregnant again. what's the name was to me and i was very excited because i wanted to have 2 children the and okay. my kid instead of what i want most just to be with on her gabrielle. you know coming but i missed the best of his childhood. no, i loved him more than ever, mac and i loved him from the day he was born and we loved him until the day i die. and they are with delta care. but they disappeared. the popping in a portion goes against their nature against their maternal instincts,
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against their own interests. after an abortion women suffer clinical depression. but this kind of depression is important. these women have killed girls and boys who have the right to live. the other one might just any more, had more than 3000 women live in the prison and that kind of, they don't even have a bed or a blanket to sleep under. no. yeah, there's no running water. the fact that the food is terrible. they're only 6 toilets for all these women. the am with a company. i met many other inmates. i never realized they were in prison on similar charges. i thought i was alone, august,
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august 1. but it wasn't they don't know it. i think we realize there were many women accused of the same crime. today we were already friends, but we hadn't talked about our cases, them on board for so fast, fund them in the head and think that when they said 30 years, my 1st thought was look for the supplement, i've lost everything. the thought of going to, since i haven't seen my daughter since i've been here, the thing was that i, i don't know how she's doing. i know nothing. when i saw i had a fight with the father of my 1st daughter, she was 9 years old, dominion was saying i was 4 months pregnant and that's what they hit me. and the baby died. i started bleeding a lot. my daughter saw me later last time that i just remember that i was given an injection in the hospital and they put me on a bed, but that's so much that's it. then i woke up around 7 in the evening. i was
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handcuffed and many of them they told me not to ask questions and to stay where i was thinking that i was alone in the room. but in the middle of the day of my hearing, there was no evidence against me. they only the testimony of one witness, the dna test, people in the then who was the witness? my daughter's father who hit you yesterday and you couldn't no federal since the prosecutor was on their side. they didn't allow me lawyer to speak. and minute in there. i don't know, they didn't allow my father to speak bible man, and i don't, he was my only witness. and it's like that on the bottom. i've been here for almost 11 years and they sent him speech authority. what happened to you? nicholas? i was accused of aggravated homicide. yes, dinah, i was at the hospital. a problem there. if i ask why i was handcuffed for them and
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they said i was charged with murder telling me that i have killed my own door. so nick asked, i was shocking. no, no, no, no, you won't. i fell down. it was an accident that fell off my office about my daughter a me had and they didn't let me see her enrollment accessing in them. and i can sit on the need a many, you don't get they all anyway, i did, it was going to be a, i didn't understand what was happening and, and because i haven't seen it, he said, but, and did it the doctor's blame. you don't dis called the police or the photo. ok again, i don't have that. and then i didn't understand. you didn't give me an explanation. so they took me to the police station and i went up
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some yes i was there for about 8 days. then they brought me here, james, i had them back and then another one of my daughter is, is 15 years old and the other as well. funny, but i got pregnant after being raped by 3 men and i'm one of them was my brother. he went to me, my mother, after my mother died, i lost my baby. 20 days later, i was arrested during my baby's funeral. i think i mentioned the enemy said what the sailor policemen were standing at the door of the church. i asked them, why are you looking for me again? and they said my name. i said yes, that's me. they said you are under a risk for murder. i asked why? i didn't kill anyone. they took my baby's body out of the coffin and threw it in the back of the pickup truck. they took my baby and they took me to
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the home. i left my 2 daughters behind. my parents were no longer there to take care of them. i didn't want to leave them with my brother, the one who had hurt me. my brother and his friends have their families. while my daughters are suffering from any age and they're having a hard time on their own. and i'm suffering without the senior for serious life has been really hard on me in that regard. and that's a good. yeah. she's sort of my daughter. so if i'm the only one, maybe they just got it wrong. and it was maybe they just made a mistake, try to thank god, it was too late to find the again, when i learned that there were more of us, i got very angry. and you will be when to see, because it means that el salvador sees women as property having in that i'm way to
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set them up as the stand up to them. where is the best in this? it has to be laws allow them to rule over us unless you can go back next. i'm going to send this one out, but we cannot allow women to continue to be imprisoned for pregnancy emergencies in sales to not do anything about this situation. we're not at the end of the set up with some of the and we've quite strong relationships. we've decided to unite and defend ourselves. and as a mentor. ringback lawyers with the citizens group for the criminalization of abortion team in 2012, and i'm glad they called us to 17 them with the way that we agreed that they would take on our cases and met. and that the 1st of us to come out of prison by whatever means for that it would be the 1st to denounce the conditions inside the prison yet, and a suggestion for sound move in the venture, the 5 at the moment. okay. and the master's told us they
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needed just looks person to represent us when the girls chose me to play the game for. so that's how it all started. these days are special for each one of us. we know we are in prison, but we have our spiritual freedom the see the money in fantasy, the bill or in c side, about a typical him. this is we started with 17 women. now there are more of the systems, 2009. we have identified a 129 cases and will hand this ago, the owner, but in addition to political lobbying mobilization, i'm campaigning now. the citizens group has a legal team. duct follows the phone cases payments, or if the cases are not just going in the court room,
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they all want in the streets and looking them on the go to the a, b s m l m party present to the penal code reform to decriminalize abortion level because the state, the lawyers, so they don't dine these conditions on as well. i'm president of the legislative assembly loading opinion presenting the bill alongside women's groups and request that when the last you, when is the result of break when the mother's life is at risk. when it's a result of human trafficking and when the case involves a minor because they've got so separate out that they may notice they are, those are pretty madison was there seems to contradict the 2nd article of the constitution in finding the right to life of every person in that age would i be the best, but as soon as they faced with pressure from social organizations to decriminalize abortion, the catholic church, i objected to these measures. i think the archbishop called on the legislature not
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to change the penal code was on us. that's all the because you and that's how you go, they go up and then you see some of them will get out because if we can't take a look at the percentages for them, the width of the members of the legislature will see that if they vote the lines of portions they will be going against the vast majority of the population, the field which is christian. yeah. collect also to see on the constitution says that life begins at the moment of conception. so i don't see why abortion should be judged less severely than aggravated homicide. i've come across from the changing the charges violates due process. they're trying to impose longer sentences. abortion carries a sentence of 2 to 8 years in philadelphia, also to learn a lot more credit. the class in the middle or upper class women who have more money have $2.00 options and in the future they go to a private clinic and pay over $1000.00 for an abortion, for they go abroad for the procedure would have been by you. so don't de larry i lose so i would as kind of win back in with that murder is now considered a human right to my mother's right. this is an ideological relativism that for me
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as a politician, is an ideological upfront to the west of america. and its citizens and pick on from very got going back to this is the largest genocide in human history. much greater than the one carried out during the 2nd world war. and i say one the other. but again, if you're not already selling partner states, he has not reviewed cases of miscarriages that have led to women's imprisonment department. the customer, that's not what it does when it comes to miscarriages. no woman is being persecuted for having a miscarriage. while the best part of the time, you know, woman should go to jail for having an abortion. the frequent fact of what i'm a student, unless i'm not because i was contacted by amnesty international ever taking this
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case will bundle. so let me know exclusively handle cases like this. so in seattle, i believe it is essential for justice. charge against a dora was aggravated homicide. let me see major contradictions here to the office . one other thing of the killing of a newborn think they are 13 to 14 weeks gestation. few now my name who was born alive, but died of parent natal 6, you know, fix up late enough that is signs of a 6 year by drowning were found. she loved it because you born died of parent 8 till the 6 year. she could not have died by drowning somebody. these things are mutually exclusive film or renee to let's fix it as a natural cause of death and up to that it cannot be one on the other at the same time. of course, i mean what the, i don't think the judge has even read the autopsy of talk to you from the la city and the when i read to dora's file, which is very extensive, i must admit, i saw this woman is guilty by the file intentionally leads you to believe that she
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is guilty to that correctly, but does it happen when you sit down and read it more carefully? you wonder how is it possible that a woman who wants to have an abortion calls the police 5 times to ask them for help here, but i get, i have a great a, this is the minute the lord he cried. the medical evidence is conclusive in memphis, the she had a pre term birth to have that, so i sent all of our option with heavy bleeding and lost consciousness. this is for medical history is consistent with the information. she provided the money for us to sign, but i saw i was 9 months pregnant mrs. i was robbed when i was on my way to send salvatore with my sick mother and at the name when i was robbed on the bus. isn't that on the internet? the man tried to steal my phone and jumped towards me, so i'm gonna send the landing right on my belly say in the midst of a blow to the abdomen. and the final try mr. can cause plus central abrupt sion,
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which was probably the case with theodora. because when the baby came, the plus center came with it for those that because of the injury to the abdomen. this is the most logical conclusion. the 2 door like many others, were stigmatized and convicted without evidence. ok and if you provo instigate an abortion that is if you give the patient the idea or assist her in any way and you're also go to prison for 2 to 5 years. and that's why health care workers report everything to the police, miscarriages, or still, birds. they report any kind of termination of pregnancy. and having said this is massaging stigmatization and persecution for being a woman. okay, so it's a woman has a miscarriage. the 1st thing people think is that it was intentional or said when a woman becomes pregnant, she loses all her rights and automatically becomes an incubator. all her rights are
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violated, starting with the right to life, liberty telling me the stomach, which on the police, i mean we are fighting for this error to be corrected, but the judges, after 6 months of fighting court of appeals agreed to review the case that one does have the fence. yeah, i don't think i don't think that's the current status. it's just almost like government us all know that the advice on the radio and we'd like to invite you to join us tomorrow. it's an important thing that we need the support of all of us that will be gathering in front of the see the room and then there's quotes to support to, to and i to hearing apple. yeah. and the app, the app is a crucial day for her and she needs us the. so it'd be the from 7 am in front of the courthouse to show your support and her site to regain have freedom.
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more for me here and what's your family's help is the persistence, the what i would like is for her son to have his mother's love with any of them. he has had to live with his grandparent and not his mother. this'll night and we'll pray to god that the case will be resolved and she will get her freedom back. let us down even. she's been oppressed for so long and unable to take care of her son, family books. we hope it goes back to the faulty investigation. the facts are all there. if this is based on your investigation is tell the innocent or guilty made of a fuse. that's for the judges to decide based on the evidence in the mind. just presenting evidence, i think what is that going on so that so many other pro, instead of going to be clear, was the child still born or could it have been killed or let's see, last night that nothing in the autopsy confirms the child ever drew breath bitterly,
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so it was still born. what i think it didn't draw breath the the what happened to your baby? i mean, i was 9 months pregnant when my baby came. i've been imprisoned ever since. 11 years in prison. one testify how many people are in the same situation. let's say 23 of us are accused of this crime that we did not commit from
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a data for months. and how were these years in prison knowing you were innocent and been very difficult benefits. i based hard times in prison instead of me course i'm old daughter thing i'm paying for a crime. i didn't commit to the mental goodness. i mean, what is your message to the word world and the country's lot of boards and it's still criminalized on the west side city. my message is to review all the cases of women who have been convicted of a crime similar to mine the same. and that we did not commit these crimes. we need our freedom back because it's our right look at them. it isn't that we have a right to freedom. they have violated our freedom. that not only my freedom but of many women. and it does have the state did not support us but discriminated against us as women federal. but we have the strength and courage to keep fighting here. but as they get a chance to review the what are you asking from the judges?
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list set up with this situation. we've had enough of the violence against women people of the world please to pull to salvador. we are becoming more and more impoverished, but we are not pool. we on congress by the patriarchal capital, the system, the we women, will keep fighting. this is an injustice. the
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flower arrangement was given to the legislature by a group of activists and family members of women in prison for health complications that lead to miscarriage. that as for clemency for 17 women who were sentenced to prison terms of up to 40 years, they were found guilty of aggravated homicide. to see the distress signal from the
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nails, salvador ocean is precipitated cases. the selling it is a country that has some of the wells strictest abortion laws that have delayed a ruling on whether to free a woman who was sentenced to 30 years in prison after she gave birth to a still born baby. human rights organizations are calling for an end to well sounds . it was totally banned from abortion fund that i will gather your lawyer, came and gave me a paper and said, mean i might even have to smoke read. this is simply the, your sentence as being reduced to the time you've already spent. here one dentist had not had to say that again for, for you i had a pain in it for sending. i took the paper and started reading. i'm so as though it said that i was absolved and the point at assessing that i thought this can't be true. my sentence was just upheld, asking them, but i read it again and again, a 1000 times to make sure it understood that i completed
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the when i was informed that i was free, i read out the letter with the other girls that they were trying. we love each other in here, the canal can. what we're family, the for the thought is the main thing is that we stuck together because together we can break down the walls that surround us. the they know that my leaving here is a door opening for them to with them. i can save it but a the, the
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anyone. can see the you can see that it was a long day, but it wasn't even tired when i was free. but afraid to face life. nobody i today. i couldn't believe that. he called me mamma. is the same for the sale of your machine and i still wasn't used to the idea that i had a teenage son and he wasn't used to the idea that he had a young mother in the facility there at the minimum of the holding me for the simple gift, but a look for him. my mother was his mother and she has to mothers
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the indian. so you're sending me. but in the day i got out and i felt so much happiness . yeah. you're not going to see that. but i mean, my name isn't, but also like i was split into it as somebody working when a part of the one part of me wanted to get out of it. and the other was afraid to leave the women behind to hear i'm just as a minimum, they told me we will also be freed. i mean, i'm going to have it. but i felt that that i'd gotten lucky and they hadn't the 7th day that of the savvy, i guess if i knew the march 8th protest existed in, but i didn't know the extent of it. my 1st time there
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was unforgettable. the interesting thing was it made me think when, when i'm not alone, i'm stronger. i will join them. so we speak with one voice. hello, salvatore and people sisters. and all of you who are here today today is a very important day for all of us. i'm very happy and grateful. your struggle was worth it. i am the living proof. i am here to join you. insight alongside you to
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free the other incarcerated women. i invite each and every one of you to stand together and keep on fighting. because the site does not stop here, we will take on everyone who comes because we're fighters. we will not be silent. we are women who will face anything that comes our way. the hello friends, how are you? i'm very proud of you and my i'm so happy about all the effort you're putting in on our behalf. god bless you. take care of your son, your family. i love you very much, and i hope to or out there with you one day soon, sending you lots of kisses and hugs. i love you very much. the
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semester started. it's been less than 2 months since i regained my freedom. so this dentist, i will never get back those 10 years of my life. i had a co pay that but that's my pass to get somebody to they me percent. i'm living my present now in the sending and campaigning for the women who are still in prison. the viet at the latest i'm raising my voice on their behalf. either the key i am calling on the legislative assembly of el salvador to speed up the process of computing their sentences, battled and put pressure on the government of el salvador to release these 24 women
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being requested. there are still 24 women in prison facing enormous difficulties to keep fighting after 10 years in prison is not only extraordinary. it takes great courage to have the common does because you on inspiration to us the, the people don't understand the reality of women. the worst thing is that women who
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live in the countryside in small villages are the most vulnerable. no woman who has money is in prison. not one believe me. we are guilty because we are women. we have no rights. from the moment we get pregnant, our lives don't matter. what matters is to feed us, we're carrying the mother's health doesn't matter. only the child. imagine a 12 year old girl going to school for future still ahead of her. if she gets raped and pregnant, she will be forced to have the child just because of our last. i believe this is unjust. we must raise our voices and say what we feel and think about this issue. the
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only let them i wanted to see them, but i didn't think you'd be possible in the center for many years. it was good to come back and visit the prison to see everyone and say that i am here to meet at historic. i support you. and will be with you no matter what the list had caused in the, in good times and bad sam when i'll be there with that, a good
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