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hey, if you use those that are for you that you a few of the my name is melissa chan. thanks for joining us. the u. s. is sending another high level delegation to china next week on the agenda for the group of senior lawmakers . are a range of security and economic issues to raise with a game, including the growing risks of doing business with the worlds 2nd largest economy. multi national companies are complaining that china is becoming a hostile business environment. as the security states reach, expands, the us secretary of commerce, who visited badging in late august says patients is running fitting for investors who now have to contend with quote, exorbitant fines without any explicit nation revisions to the counter espionage law

which are unclear and sending shock waves through the us community rates on businesses, a whole new level of challenge. the scariest aspect is the growing numbers of business travelers facing a rest and detention. badging has also increased its use of exit benz, preventing people from leaving the country. this includes both foreign citizens and chinese executives working with international corporations, raising concerns that china is not really open for business, except on its own terms. the u. s. has even issued a travel warning quote reconsider travel to mainland china due to the arbitrary enforcement of local laws, including in relation to exit bands and the risk of wrongful detentions, or joining us in the studio as dw as agent analyst clifford at kuhn and clifford can you tell us more about these exit bands,

have chinese authorities provided any explanation, or are they truly arbitrary? well, i think as us china relations have worse and they become more arbitrary and they become scary or harder to work out exactly what's going on. it's quite a broad issue here. we have sort of a profile global issues like the detention of 2 canadian nationals in a, in a parent retaliation for the detention of, of a senior chinese executive. then you have more sort of plastic espionage cases where people are tried in secret and they just go to jail and we don't know what happens. and then you have the exit bonds where you have executives who are involved in various business dealings or whatever. who are just not allowed to leave the country, and they're stuck in their hotels, in shanghai, or in the long joe or wherever they are. but they don't, we, you know, why they're, there, i'm what's going on. and in the most extreme cases, these people are for nationals including americans. can you tell us a little bit more about that? yeah, i think since particular, since the trade war has intensified in the,

in the middle of the last decade, you know, and we've seen a lot, a lot more americans being involved a lot more foreigners being involved. um, so it used to be that it was a chinese born americans, you know, who have both chinese passports and americans. but as we saw with the to michael's that this case in, in the, to canadians. and they were, they were all this, they were not chinese. and in one particular case, what, who i spoke to. i spoke to harrison lee who's the son of kylie, and his father was detained on espionage charges. now his father is shanghai born, but he's an american citizen and he's been jail since 2016. and in the interview, harrison said how he hasn't seen his father in person for 7 years. and he reckons it was his father's notion dollars. he was the reason that he was targeted by the chinese government and in prisons and we can listen to him here. i think that's the most frightening aspect of hostage diplomacy that literally anybody can be

targeted simply for their nationality. and my dad's case against an american citizen and you know, because i just blew a passport. he was targeted by the chinese government for a leverage. and that's, that's the simple reality of the situation here. so we see there have you refer us to hostage diplomacy? that's a big factor in the, in the reasoning behind why a lot of these people are forbidden from leaving china. and i asked him, we agree with this as a background, whether he felt that there was a, whether people were taking a risk going to china or yeah, 100 percent. or, i mean if, if people like my dad ordinary people, right. it's not like, oh, you know, again, you didn't have any political connections. he doesn't have a lot of money. i mean, it's, you know, anyone visiting china for whatever reason. right. yes, there are 4 national, they have this risk of being right. targeted for hostage to columbus, and that's why there is this travel advisory that's precisely why this advisory

exist is because of that risk. and i think just a lot of people um are not aware of that, especially yes. and the business community, clifford do we have an extent to which international companies are reassessing, the risk of sending businessmen and women into china. and how much are these exit band speaking executives? i think they've definitely spoke people. the situation was already pretty bad because a lot of people who went to china got stuck there during the cobra lockdown, which was very extreme in china. and they couldn't leave and they didn't see their families for, for in some cases years. but aside from that, this is a, this political aspect to it is, is very important and i think it has made an impact and how have companies are behaving. we have an irish executive, richard will holler on who is detained in shanghai over what looks like a be a business dealings issue where the was the purchase of a plane on the ownership of the plane was disputed. he couldn't leave for,

for many months since eventually he was freed. but when that kind of thing happens, it really does boot foreign companies. and it's, it's kind of happened at the same time, is relations between the us and china have worse and, and i think it's, it's a big risk now for, for companies sending people there they, they risk huge liabilities if their people get stop there. and so i think a lot of it is going to depend on how relations develop now between the us and china, whether people will start coming back. but there's still a lot of reluctance about going there. i think it's fascinating that those who are choosing to go, i mean, i think everybody just thinks it ain't gonna happen to me. right. is going to happen to someone else, but not me. banning business people at a time when china is seeking to grow as economy to do business with the world. that seems so counter productive. so clifford, i wonder why is this happening? well i think it's, like we said many times before with this that when you look at these,

this situation and politics always trumps economics. and in china, and this is very much a decision, a political decision. i think it's tied in with the, uh, the relationship between the western china and regardless of the impact that these business people are having. i think that ultimately if there's a feeling within the communist party that it's better to, to, to freeze at the west. i think that your, it's going to lead to these kind of exit bonds happening. it's going to lead to people like you say, nobody wants to be the 1st to be arrested. so they're, they're quite happy for the situation to continue that. people don't want to go to china. we are seeing signs of a reset. now in western relations with china, particularly the u. s. relations with china. so maybe the situation will change, but ultimately i think they hold exit strategy if it and it is a strategy comes down to political reasoning. so this all goes down to shooting p. ultimately, it does come down to huge and paying, particularly

a kid. he has made all these decisions that don't make economic sense for a lot of people. you know, it's been like that for quite a number of years. it doesn't seem like economics is a factor for him until it gets really, really serious until like the, the warning signs are out there. red flags everywhere that he has to change course . yeah, that's right, i'm so he's, he's 30, he follows his own course. he knows what he wants to do in terms of the marxist lender and aside geology are the comments party audiology. and that's going to be the, his primary concern. it's not going to be worrying about the impact of international on the international trade. even on the chinese economy, that's very so, so many, especially at a time also in the you where they're also looking just to resume business as usual, with the chinese, all of this happening to american citizens to a chinese citizens working for multi national companies. very, very troubling and hard to predict when you're trying to do business with china in this kind of unpredictable environment. clifford couldn't thank you so much for

joining us. the dw also speaks to lead men to a tie when he's businessman, who was detained in china and accused of espionage and stealing state secrets. he was also a victim of an exit band. and you won't believe what chinese authorities considered as incriminating evidence. here's the w's, james tater reporting function. true in northern taiwan. the moment you is finally back home in taiwan. he recently with the chinese authorities held him for 4 years now. send you the city where he was born and raised looks different. with some new buildings as like new hosp house and they were shopping most new stores. that's good. these are the pictures, the costly full use of his life, not his food, but the chinese police in the distance. it was in 2019 and he was on

a regular business trip to the southern chinese city of son, john police were gathering here right next to hong kong, which was gripped by pro democracy protests up a time. lee says he was curious about the police gathering and was in the public space, but the chinese officials forced him to confess to espionage would be the table being allowed to do for several times. you follow us. uh, maybe the charge you will be as low as frontier homes that he moved to the left present in 2021. but the badging in post exit band kept him in china until recently for you. this price of it for you the is just like a fresh, a breeze. you use those that are for you that you appeal some of the problem for lee and many others. here is a chinese presidency. jim king says taiwan is sacred chinese territory and the full

time when these people, he's citizens, of these experiences deepened his belief in the importance of defending tie when he's autonomy, his old high school costs mates. eric, you know, offer some advice about dealing with the use lost in china. tell you what all the time, not good or good houses to go to the back house to drug with him. so you have to treat it as long as you've come back from full use that democracy university. you can only think of it like that as yeah. and in the future, that's just a good that copy of that you. an idea of the now spends much of his time on human rights activists work often talking about what the chinese coming this policy or c c p did to him, and why just kill it. so how about your experience in china? because i'd be more than more choose for your government

leave, feel safe here. it's home on time. one's north west coast. even though china is less than 200 kilometers away across the sea. i'm going forward. he says he's determined to do once he can to keep it that way. and that's it for the programs. my name is melissa chad. thanks for watching and good by the sometimes it's hard to find what you're looking for. but we've got something for you. the fast fashion as an environmental nightmare. a closing graveyard image of land desert. this is where things wealthy industrial nations no longer need,

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