very caea to yon saucer. a master in star snorted riding, now decorated with the highest literary honor. there is coming next. a documentary series checking on whether artificial intelligence can make it possible for us to live for ever. that's after the break. i'm told me on logical the votes, people have to say the that's why we listen to based on the ritual. every weekend on dw,

the d, h and philosophers, seneca said the day of our death is the birth of the trinity. once you die, you joined the realm of the immortal the. what if we told you you don't have to die? what if you could live forever? the we've been trying to fight death since the beginning of her existence. evolution is slow and the world has changed. evolution is not just something that happens to us. any evolution gave rise to a species, but now does something to the so technology is

our new phase of evolution. and if we do not adapt to it, we'll take a look 6 the world to live as long as possible, maybe a 1000 years. for the 1st time, you have a scientific technological possibilities to do the we spend so much of our lives in the digital realm. now some believe a, i will not only extend human life, but it can make us immortal. the issue is say, oh my god,

our family memories are in these photo albums, especially now since my mother's passed away. and my father is in a retirement home that saturday and that's me. oh, so this is, this is head of a, gee, when he was younger and he was studying in denmark areas. i really went to denver . i had a master's degree. yeah. that's, that's him to was a teacher. he was so many things. a scientist, businessmen, baby carrier, the bad, can you see us up straight? we're at home. you know, you, after and zara everything. the type of data you i think so where is,

how does the code see if so the house in vancouver and you sold it? do you remember, do you remember when you and mom got married? the my father's 78 years old now and has dementia. the sure the what if there's a way to avoid the inevitable? what is to is a way to keep some part of him alive. forever i went to talk with lincoln cannon to tackle the same questions when his father passed away after a long battle with cancer. once we're on age where we realize that that

is coming at us, we have to manage it somehow. he's part of the trans humanist movement, which police and the ethical use of technology to transcend human limits, to even transcend death. fortunately, we are working very hard to make death optional. what did you mean when you said you'd like death to be optional? yes, so death i would love death to be optional because well, optional is a key word because some people get into situations where there are things that are worse than death. my father died of cancer and at a certain point that was the right thing to do because living with in such suffering just wasn't worth it. but if we have ways of healing the cancer as

well, then let's hear him. and then i bet he wouldn't want to die. the, this is the church of perpetual life. every month they invite speakers from around the world to discuss that friends, humanist police and discoveries. today's visiting speaker is a trans humanness philosopher and pastor next speaker. well this is my 1st time at the church of perpetual life to so i'm strongly thrilled just to be here. this kind of turn out is extraordinary for it for any belief, any faith. so i mean this all you have ourselves a round of applause, a pat on the back for making it out here. we are ready to go out and make you turn

to the rate again. but not when i 1st started and they started calling me pastor g. i am now known as swami g. as my affectionate nickname, gabriel is a pastor with terrorism, a trans humanist religion that believes we can use technology to achieve immortality. are fundamental to every religion, is the mortality of the soul, which in terrorism is our consciousness. the philosophy that science will conquer death is a basic terrace, and believe the mortality versus terror. sam is publicizing that immortality is possible,

because the soul is data and not material. we believe that the information that is, the soul is cap triple. and it is transferable, capturing your ideas, capturing your thoughts or memories of vision that data set is what we call a mind the 5 mind file. you lost me up, soul is data. but let me just try to break down the idea of mine files. i imagine you could capture the essence of who you are, the all your thoughts you try and the your feelings

that moment you 1st fell in love, the deepest loss, the lease of the day, the 1st status on the basically that's what mind files are terraced and believes these memories and experiences are the key to her immortality. if the captured in transferred, that's the trans human. his belief that we can transfer consciousness to artificial bodies and conquered death. okay. this is pure sy fi fantasy right? but hold on. so much of our lives is now online. it's not surprising that mindful technology is already being developed as we speak. if you don't believe me,

check out this consumer electronics show in vegas. the artificial it's a little bit different for me. i was computationally created based on how real humans looks and because my advice could be upload to avatars like these they can extend your life, but they are kind of immortality. an artificial immortality is to help you become even worse. if you could upload yourself into one of these, would you hello digital detox.

yup. this is deepak chopra, listening to themself. one good morning america. that's how wide spread this technology is becoming. you know, the pack, the human, not the digital copy. as a spiritual grew the core well being is a field of incidence possibilities, a doctor who turned to alternative medicine and wrote dozens of books that have sold millions of copies. hello, i'm a digital version of dr. deepak chopra. cree wanted to see if he could create an a i clone of himself. i'm in training to serve as your incident wellbeing guide. visits in the park is like a baby's at the moment and like any baby needs education and expanded knowledge. so i'm training it right now. please into your email. it is reading all of my 90 close,

so books. it can replicate my efficient expressions and my eye movements and the tone of my voice. what made you want to create an a i pharmacy or so? i'm hoping that you have to one day talk to the grandkids of my grandkids and then from them about their time. so it will be a simulation of me and that i hope is be in marching soon. i can go with you every way you go. i'd be inside your phone ready at any time to serve you. if a simulation of him is immortal, does he achieve true immortality? vice over see how close is the digital d pock to the real human and wow. he's tracking me is this is heather shamira from

a i foundation the company behind digital d pock. how is digital they've had different from say, siri, visual. the park is actually entirely different from alexa from siri, from any kind of, you know, kind of voice in the box situation. you're personally understanding his guidance is wisdom. you can ask him questions. you have a relationship with digital d pop. you don't have a relationship with alexis, serious, etc. hey, hey, fuck, hey, that. hey, i'm here with my friend and do you want to introduce yourself to? yes, i sure can. awesome. heather says digital d poc isn't just spouting prerecorded senses. it analyzes data responds to facial expressions and tone of voice. i've done hundreds of interviews, but nothing like this and advertise, i can think on its feet. i didn't expect that. what do you think about people seeking immortality? on earth?

there is no need to wait for death or haven to prove that if you turn to t is really very interesting about it is dave. thank you. so the park, we'll talk tomorrow. all right. okay. all right, bye. i. i didn't expect to like start to think like, oh i should say fine. where's it going to go? but yeah, that's a weird thought. yeah. here's the computer. yeah, yeah. but what i'm gonna do is you're gonna need 2 more for until i get like, you know, it's weird that i was thought for. sure. yeah. well, you actually can you and that's what surprised me most. i didn't expect to connect with this digital way i clone. makes me think about my conversations with my dad. hi. i wonder what if we had captured his memories in

a personal way icon before his own memory started going. okay. what would it be like to have an, a version of ourselves, a way for us to be part of family life. even after we die, which is our this enables i think it's extremely unlikely that you can suddenly press a button and your consciousness will be transferred. however, i believe you can have something like consciousness to find a digital format even after you've done the thing, run them on academic content nor i built a startup pub swipe. it's the same random a has been building a platform that will enable us to live on forever and what he calls an augmented eternity. so augmented the turn of the is about creating a digital version. very similar to yourself, and it's going to re presents your wisdom in a different way in which the next generation can benefit from it. anyone can create

their personal and i think this is what i want to give access to my children. but this is my professional filing a i a, in a not. so was the pursuit a few minutes to say ok, now i want to mimic the brain. how we think. but the key thing about a, i, to date it has, it has always been tried to mimic the logical brain, not the emotional right. so that's why a lot of the work that we do is to understand that fiction, that empathy is really that new ones on how that wisdom is gonna get manifest. that to really help you with your emotions to help you with that sense of presence. sometimes they may be a family gathering and people really want to interact with your avatar. sometimes maybe are too late to build an avatar from my father. but i wonder what if i created one for my kids? i asked to say and, and he said he could make the one when you're building the systems. there are 2

for new years or 2 streams that you bought it from 3 to perfect. one is the interaction layer which can go. ready from a holographic avatar to a chat future phase 2 events. email and then the other components which is very important. it's, it is one under to what it is, the algorithmic capabilities, the data, how the data comes in. what is under the hood of an a i clone? well, seem to show me how it works. i need to get them data and lots of it, photos, home, videos, yearbooks, anything i can upload for jose and to create my mind file. i spend hours converting these memories into my mind file

the since we last met. you have provided some, some information about let's say some key events in your lives, such as the birth of your daughter, oscar. and it was very interesting to look at the system on how it responds to these types of interactions and questions. the as job is to learn everything you can about me from my photos. in theory, it should be able to answer questions for my daughters the same way i would my daughter wanted to know how i felt the day she was born. when you asked that question, you provided a number of images. it went and found a picture that was relevant to the day of birth. i need use different types of a i want to identify elements in that picture to come up with an answer.

it actually went and created different features from your facebook identify mood or or emotion. it could feel that you were 94 percent relieved. 33 percent happy. then it went and generated these answers for you. the system said i was relieved of stress and over whelmed with happiness. that's not how i would word it. but this sentiment is right. so that's how science a system recreates memory. i wanted how similar it is to the way human brains create memories. what connections are made to form of memory and what's lost when that memory is gone? so it's great to find me too. oh, great. well, thanks for coming. let me show you the drive out of office i have here. doctor tell

speak value and a is a neurosurgeon in scientists at the criminal brain institute. when you hear about artificial intelligence approximating the human brain, what do you think? uh, yeah, i think it's, it's a bit of a pie in the sky. i think we know so little about the brain, so imagine us being able to create something similar or a can to it is just, it's very hard to imagine the, it's the most complex structure in the universe artificial intelligence systems and networks are trained, but there's very few things, if anything, that approximate the brain's ability to generalize this knowledge. and one of them more difficult kind of functions that we try to measure is really memory. you know, every time i tell you a story, f more my personal life, i loosen it's associations in the brain. i tell you it. and then i read and codes

that information. and so, you know, we're all point to confound duration. so the one thing about memory is that it's not absolute, and in fact it's, it's a lot less accurate than we'd like to believe it is. that's fascinating. so in some sense, we're re creating a memory as we tell us. yeah. and then touching it slightly. photo shopping it for the memories. i said it's very different somehow artificial intelligence systems recall data. the interestingly, you know, the factory system in the mail system has a direct input into your memory system. and i think that's one of the very unique things about the human brain is that you and your memories are lived experience there. they have this sort of richness to it. do you think the a i can replicate the human brain?

i know not ever. oh, my gosh, you know, you never say never right. the kelsey helped me understand the complex relationship between our brains and our bodies. how would we ever replicate that in a machine? the allison marjorie has done pioneering research in brain development. he's the director of the you see san diego stem cell program and he's discovered a way to grow human brain cells in a petri dish. my lab focus on human brain development and evolution. and we recreate the human brain outside the body using stem cells. so my lab has be focus

on reducing protocols to recreate what we call brain organizes organizer clusters of brain cells that form a simple neural network. but in a dish instead of a move all the neutral networks that we use for a sufficient that isn't that kind of region. so they're limited on what they can do . they wouldn't bring doesn't work that way, we are more flexible. if this is what we call neuro plasticity, and we can mimic that, you know, software in the computer yet because we just don't know how the brain does. so by studying how these near owns self, why are these bring organized? perhaps we can create artificial intelligence algorithms that are more human like and these are organized, become much more complex. the nuance, like they begin to formulate thoughts. i do think that i think the future, this is definitely possible, especially if we start adding. they may believe the structure a step is required for a brain to store

a memory. this is mike or ray. we for electro. it's printed in the bottom of the dishes. this is the plate that we use to record the activity from the organ lines. these brain cells are firing signals, speaking to each other, because that's in their nature. brain cells form networks and communicate. they decided to try and connect these brain signals to a robot. very original idea was okay, let's get something that has a legs. so we team off, we've got a team that works on the robotic part, the form, and we started teaching the robot. we've the human signal, they said the brain organized signals through the computer to the robot. right, the, this is coming on a cell. we reprogram we made a bring organ,

a line that's very organized now, since you know anything directly we for robotic interface. the some people keep asking or imagining, wow, i mean, can these organ wise at one point become consciousness or, or, or cell for aware of the start as it is an oregon? no idea dish. and i think that's possible. we don't have any evidence that this is happening now, but he might be testing the future. we'll get to that stage. it makes me wonder how soon it will be before it's not just in sec robots, but android's power by artificially created brains. the

depend has always been fascinated by how this country embraces ancient tradition and futuristic to the this is canon and andrew, based in the 400 year old temple in kyoto, where she gets timmons. i'm buddhist teachings that are 2500 years old. the that's the next that on the demo system, what does that take you this? i think he killed kind of see already for come. i think he did. i didn't know you're not going to be connecting me a not the best you that even got even got 30 that deeper in the female, the androids have become part of the fabric of

everyday life in japan. we cannot surprised at all once in a few minutes. i'm going to do the part that we humans you made up of the board here to see you should google has been staring down that fin line between humans and robots. he's the director of the intelligent robotics laboratory as most of the university, and i'm doing wrong on the bill to by a professor. so he should go by creating a bit of human life for a long time trying to understand what is your mind? is it what's uh, what's kind of on the assess, we have other humans, right? so, you know, i'm trying to implement and that ideas onto that robot. i'm jim, i'm always in shy fine. you might be fries, you should not be issues building early prototypes for what may become much more

advanced a androids. my name is jeff. no, it has travelled around the world to give talks. and even though it's a far cry from the androids on west world, here's an a i clone that looks so much like the human people see the android on stage and mistake it for him. people say so. and that to me that people are like over nice, they my android as myself. i to watch a quite interesting experience for me. it is very difficult to pull that you called me on, on the last couple minutes through monday i should have on file that we have to make as fox the out of us. this is the fucked development center all on the right to can change it. or she has collaborated on many androids including their latest child robot called

a booky. ringback it booky translates us breath symbol of life. a bookcase, a child with amyris, everybody. so kind to the child on the right. 22 are good. it was just so weird because you the right fit my hand move. yeah. it's so strange to be held by the key. what's going on in his mind could issue so nice to me to

the uniqueness of a jump on is the spirit. so i'll jump on is the cartridges. so we be raising this has a saw this one has us on to joe has a saw them. i have a solid design, so we did it with this thing. is this your mind, the others and everything's as a sort of watching you do key. i can't help but seem as a little child filled with curiosity in wonder about the world, the coming okay. but again, i can say, he said when you see a spike in the information technology is a sign that you're in the end of the times. there was always, i didn't say that he did open your bibles to daniel chapter 12. billy kronos the

reverend at sunrise baptist church in las vegas. and he's been following the latest developments and ai in biotech, letting this technology out of so called pandora's box a r a. it could very well spill the end of mankind. it's, it's a threat to or, or existence, multitudes who sleep in the depths of the earth while awake some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. bible says you're going to live on forever . is one of 2 places. you go to heaven or you go to hell. that's it. so that's what the sad thing is, the trans humans. they think they're gonna live on forever. well, i don't disagree, but technology isn't gonna lead you where you need to go. you're not going to get to continue to replicate yourself. it is a point, a man to die once, and then face judgment. the visions of the apocalypse have hunted us through millenniums. in the past,

we turn to god for the promise of salvation. any turn a light but we live in the digital age now and look to technology for the answers. are we creating an a i supreme being in our own likeness? what happens if the creation, smarts, the creator? what is the cost of this current? i normally would say that's makes boston on the ted stage talking about when a guy will become smarter than us. we're actually recently arrived. guess on this part of the human spaces. well, like, think about if the world life was created, earth was created one year ago. the human speech has done would be 10 minutes. old . nick is a philosopher at oxford university who works alongside computer scientists. is ted

talk had a huge impact and explorers. these ideas, further in his book, super intelligence, super intelligence. if any intellect that radically out performs even the, the sharpest human minds across the board. so imagination, try to get the social skills wisdom, the full tunnel play a few minutes. i can see the not just one more engaging. it's a general substitute for human cognition. the might on a superintendent mind, entirely devoted to maximizing the number of paper types that exist in the world. so it would create great schemes for achieving political control. maybe in about and telling you manufacturing technologies where maybe the earth and then the rest of the universe is turned into the paper to impactors. so this is

a cartoon example. the specific example of paper checks, but there is a real point under like this, which is that if you're not really careful, you might then get the world that's shaped according to a kind of florida objective that starts to the survival of the human spaces or other ways that the future can be permanently destroyed, the permanently destroyed. i don't even know what that would mean. a i taking over the entire universe. that could be the end of consciousness, not just earth. and it would be our own doing. you are everything else. a pause

uh to me to be, to mean to me, to me, to me, to me or, or can i buy everything goes, this is a voice rendition of facebook, a chat box talking to one another. you are or are everything else they were shut down when developers realized they had created their own coded language. paul's have 0 to me to me, to me. it's a far cry from computers taking over the world. but it is a i taking our language to completely unforeseen territory. you are everything else the

douglas west coast as a writer and professor media studies at city university of new york. most of the folks i talk to in the a i world. think of a i as a way to improve people, not just that a as a weak smarter but that they will be somehow more ethical. but will they be alive? is the real question. will it be conscious? what distinguishes us from the machine is that we could even ask a question that question is becoming more and more urgent with the recent advances in a i douglas wrote a book about it. it seems human is really meant as an optimistic rallying cry to

say we're worth something and all that stuff that you're looking for in the screen is right there in all the other people who are looking at their screens right now that you're going down a dead end and it's not, it's not too late. okay, so thanks and welcome. yeah. so i was on a panel with that famous trans humanist who was arguing that human beings should pass the torch to our f. illusionary successors. i argue, you know, they know that, that human beings deserve a place in the digital future that we should be around for something other than keeping the lights on for the computers and then, and then fading away and to extinction. and he said, oh rush, cause you're just saying that because you're human, it's like, it was humorous, then that's when i said fine, you know, guilty as charged right on on tv. i said, yeah, give them i'm on. i'm on team human the,

which is, what should we call you? my name is gucia. today, my daughters and i get to meet my avatar. how old are you? i'm not sure how to answer that. don't ask me something else. um, when was i born? uh, do you know my name? yes. your name sir. uh, what grade in my in your going into grade 7. what's one of your favorite trips with us? a new born. we got your passport and we took the trulia thailand where you were on the beach too. we took you to

see the villagers church here. it was while to see it in action. sometimes it felt creepy to me like the face route. but it's why, of that look at are looking at us tracking us. wow. what did you guys think talking to that avatar? the, i would try doesn't really have a soul, you know? so it's, it's like you think they're having these emotions, but really they're just they, they just react because humans back that way. but really, they're not feeling it. would you want to become in myrtle digitally? i don't think you can it, does that make sense? like, i think, even if you're that kind of stuff is part of you is going to say the way the

after months of social distancing my uncle and i finally get to visit my father. the i can't have them, but at least we're together. okay. again. so i, i brought some fat photo albums. do you remember that? was that the you took that fair converting then? no, no, no. yeah. who is this that and me me and or see your wife. and i thing is i thought the photos would help, but maybe my dad story telling days are over. i remember what toughie could tell me

about all our senses being intricately connected to memory. and i have an idea, remember, used to pass records a pass to remember this records the are used to be the ones that the doris day sang this song 64 years ago when my dad was still a teenager on a farm and south korea. when i was job job

there, my nose here, there are into a new goes here to see who your to come to the to venture. yeah. grand a week i've been with the right. this is the beginning of the story of my parents life together. it's cool to hear him tell it to me. now. life is so fleeting. i wonder if i will ever be able to capture that. especially fragile moments like these. and when i was just i asked my mother with the here's what she's the

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