the golf and how these police can be change. the start filming us. plea from the perspectives. stuff october 20th us. i'm d w. i worry about the will of a west to continue to do what needs to be done. strong words from my desk this week they thought was full, the deputy supreme commander of your so richard sheriff, there is still in your, among european countries a lingering feel that somehow we can go back to some sort of states as cro and to with russia. that is not going to happen. so what does he think will happen? so the lobbying prospect soon focus the loud wake up, cool for york and the american general. so richard sheriff, welcome to come fix up. thank you very much and just bear with me here. you're kind

of shocked up some successes on the battlefield in recent weeks. i've actually taken back control of drilling platforms. now in the black sea. i've been on it if you could give us an idea of some of the, of the scale of the challenges k of now faces in order to make further advances. and i think it would be really difficult to overestimate the challenge, i mean, the ukrainians. uh, uh, ranged against what a stablish russian defenses other options have, have time to begin. they know by digging in they've got in probably by the book. and the credit is going to break it into that very, very well us up offensive design breakthrough. it's by going to take don, mine feels like go to us, they go to the car with a significant alternative incoming file. they're going to break through and then they're going to break out and they're going to do all of this without proper eye

color without a superiority which no nature allow me, would consider to identify what that doing as well. no, no. so i'm a full stop. has done a pies up to go crossing in really difficult circumstances, you know of the day. so, i mean with the exception of the u. s. codes because even take this long coded and it's cutting in the account unfolds. i think, i think it is. i think any, they say, well, i mean, but, but the, so as far as to high intensity, come back on pricing would be, wouldn't be prepared to take this on, but not with our an extraordinary amount of time preparation, training, and building up the equipment building upon additional during your time in a sense it's it's is this as well? um, i mean the, the, the college and did in 91 was to break for the rocky defensive position, but it was on a past. so it was pretty easy. guy never has done this since the 2nd world war in your medicine has always have sped, j is on counter insurgency in places like iraq,

as you mentioned, that kind of stuff. so they're not exactly used to defending against a huge invasion, but your emphasis and the last few months has been on telling them that they should is that which i think is going to happen. i think it's nice to have is to deter russia. long term nature is going to be printed prepared for the worst case, which has to be prepared to fight russia. we have major armies have gone for the i've got to put the conference agency mindset behind them, and we can go about. so there is an understanding of time constituted combat operations. how much was the underpinning of national armies during the cold war? now that's going back a very long time. i've started a new generation have got to find ways to do as the exact same of sleet of foot recently as if we've seen the it's members. obviously a spend a few days in latvia training where someone just realized the whole data and

personnel speak the same language with the same degree of proficiency, nevermind type job. so the street. 5 of 24, but his big military vehicles broke down on the boat the way it's not impressive is at the moment as well. and they, so, i mean, i remain inside of nice i, but you have to recognize which nice side of that it takes time that it's a consensus organization i added it's got to be able to is it has to move up to speed of a slave ship and the convoy, i mean, coming back to your fast, don't touch it, and that's a strategic point. you know, a tactical points that you're talking about. well, that's what exercises are for the test to get it right until during this time, right? things are going wrong. and so you can put them right, they sort of fluids or thoughts made. so multinational operations, at least it's the but it needs to hurt and it's capability and it's still higher and it's kind of producing by training of that that can do that and really pursue the, the to see. right? so then spin, it can, it can build the big begin to build up that to turn capability that is needed for

that side of build up by that sounds. now i went all the way more than 18 months into the largest live boy you have since the 2nd world war. shouldn't things be going a little better these days? why that might just saying things going wrong. the better from the start brought from us. i mean, we need to recognize this more didn't begin in february 20 uh, february 2022. it began in, in, in, in march 20141 the right. when ross or a talked to brian. all you play february 2014 wanted a nice kind that i just made. so i was working on them and really puts it in place . the measures were clogged to build up its high intensity capability a. we might not be where we are, be your brain might off by re, by we all anyway, factors we all where we all so what so, so, so the grind started make it happen, drive all as you call to for not to do that sort of thing so i'm with you completely. last year, a study as parameters, the car callous of all the data is previous plans for defending the baltic states.

a country with basic therapy wiped out of the map, fight a russian, a box, tomatoes, extensive climbing stuff over the years of a cold war as increase based stock posts ability. well, that's exactly why i write my book. yeah, russia hi, highlighting the french to the baltic states written as a wakeup, cool to get and they started thinking about what it would do because car tell us was absolutely right that if the russians attacked, it would have presented and they, so with the 2 options one right, by accept number 2 months, a massive invasion of the voltage states to reach out to them. and so it is absolutely right now, i'm not privy to the planning, but nato is putting in place extensive plans to defend nate to entire truth, which is exactly what it should be doing. but at the same time, it's one thing to put a plans in place. it means the means to protect comes, brings us back to building up data is the tire and capability of that means

focusing on high intensity conflict on the capability is required for high intensity conflict. it also means um, providing the cash to do that stuff is, i mean you've got the 3 largest economies in mesa, you got from germany and it's all they still don't paying 2 percent of g d p to most defense. so what kind of signal does that send to the cabinet, like a wireless? it's under say that's, that's a pretty ball signal of a. let's look at the positives last. i'm in the positive countries like highland absolutely building up. it's kind of that is a go to both sides. a started a lot the let's see right now. likewise, of course the guys are not saying not. i was in the czech republic recently, the czech republic, already putting the money while they're in boxes and building up the capabilities is that you're absolutely right. countries like germany easily frost's not yet beginning to spend 2 percent of gdp and do the job defense budget for trying to try to get free is not that it was for 2022. what sort of cycle does not said,

what does that tell you about the cycle, the cycling vendor? this cycle moments of grades change when johnny was going to guarantee 2 percent of g d p. yeah, on yeah, in defense, i would also not just like i wouldn't let but, and also the whole kinds of, i mean bridges. so not cosette. brittany will spend 2 percent 2.5 percent of g d p . when the economy allows a bottom afraid isn't good enough and that's where a long way short in this country side of western european countries, frankly need to wake up. and he will walk gaming this conflict and you cry with all that stop logistical military political. i'm a certain dues thrown into the mix. how are it, would you be? well, i'm an optimist, i'm it sure, but i'm also rest rid of this. i think the ukraine will achieve its military objectives. ukraine does not kind of stop slicing. you kind of determination, but will, in ukraine,

is absolutely extraordinary. ukrainians and that as i start fighting, ukraine will stop existing as a country. and so they won't go on fighting until they've defeated russia with always on the west. what does want to me though, is the west support for ukraine? americans support for your grand we're coming up to the election. yeah. free of or leading republican the content us upside by would pull out pull americans support from ukraine. an election? yeah. means potential in decision and stuff is i worry about the level of capability to support in, for example, whether your time continue to dig deep and provide the ammunition and all of our capabilities that your crime needs. so i want to back provide rotation. i worry about prevarication, for example, jonathan is still hasn't made up his mind whether to send taurus the long range precision this all seriously capable and exactly what your training needs to complement it's high miles on the british storm shadow as well. so those of the,

i worry about the will of a west to continue to do what needs to be done. and there's a simple equation. yeah. if the west does, what needs been done, the west is going to be more secure because it will mean ukraine can defeat russia quickly. if this thing runs old on, on, on the west as your, as a whole, will be less secure and in jeopardy storage. and we don't talk much about on the, in was these days. but it's an honorable stops in your view for the west to say to craig, okay, you go ahead and cite di for our values, and we'll give you some of what you need to do that. but we're not going to risk upsetting your. it'd be too much so that he turns on us is that on mobile? well, i think it's difficult and i think you were there for the books, right? that was honorable. i'm on the floor, for example, the nation that somehow the west and they tire shouldn't be, and insisting but you credit and find some more a that, that, that meets and that,

but the way that nice i would do it might be a very simple gives you your pride into the means to do the job and let them get on with it, provides the supports in terms of intelligence and cyber and an e w. of course. but don't try. i'm 2nd guest, ukrainian generals and say, you know what works. they have been fighting the russians not for over 18 months, and they have, they have washed it, the russians, they have demonstrated that that's all about what they still like is real capability. and equally, your point about uh, putting the time the constraints on your brand. it is absolutely right for you grind development, defend itself to practice in a level right of self defense. and if i mean striking out into russia, well, so be, it's, i'm afraid this self, the tyrants as it was by the west has only resulted in, in the prolonged action of the war. if you grand not have the means to really follow up the the liberation of cas on in november last year. things might be

different as it was, they didn't have that capability because of west i've not given them one rule they really needed and in a timely manner about a lot of the russians to reestablish the front line. so robot can to stop building the cycle. so robot can line of defense making it much, much more difficult for the credit. and so that's a simple equation. it was if you apply, if you concentrate of, if you, if you, if you really go for it, then you're going to change. all right? and so if you triple a few prevaricates, you're going to make things much less because it kind of take much longer. you're talking about ukraine striking into russian territory with costa bones. have you no qualms about that? 100 countries. so about what the, the market, the cost of items that are a file on file aspect to, of course now, and absolutely to close the use of trustable spots. if you, if trust, if you crane needs possible items to clear a russian friend of systems on your credit, entire tree, that is

a completely different pass you that as a model for the pregnancy. but what your crime does need is long range because there's new types abilities, so that it can target russian logistic installations, headquarters on the light and, and make it very difficult for the russians. you've got a wide, influential circle of ukrainian contacts, government, call them and military intelligence. it may, you even spend the nights in a and a bump, shelter and care? is that right on the front part of the nice of the bone shelter along with many of the people who visited the crime, what was the mood like of the inspirational the time? and absolutely, this is wrong. i mean, the crime is, as i said out of the i'll clicks it determines uh to find different type of literacy. they recognize that this is a will not just against ukraine, but it's a good, that's a war against the west and the prime. joining the west, the determination, the inspiration of the engineer would see the um,

the, the relative view from the leadership. uh, this is a dynamic country determined to build its to protect itself and to build itself up onto the account, the fun part of the west that people are afraid about what the west might do or might not do to help them of a losing face. and the west a, my thing may i know it was the grateful to the west forgot the west has given them, i think on the sands of the berries, frustration, but the west is trying to 2nd guess them and tell them how to use it. where a number and the number of recent articles, but rich rich bridge. i think i've made the point in the west. we're trying to so i can guess the requirements, but fundamentally, i think you crap, i names are absolutely absolutely grateful. but let them get all those i set out in that some get all and do what they need to do without interfering with them. and the comments like, uh, will be with you all the way for as long as it takes

a listen to those coming out of brussels. this coming out of washington that i believe of the police while i check on the price line here. but i do want, as i said on the that will continue unless the positive actually let's, let's say for example, yes, the nice i some, it was very clear in terms of the support. but i would like to see also actually a statement from somebody. so summit that ukraine will join nature when the conditions allow when the financing has stopped. and i would imagine we all day to give you without any less or hindrance everything, you need somebody to pass the pricing so as quickly as possible. in other words, to defeat the russians and the chief joke and bring back to our treat your granite entire tray on the crate in sovereignty and control several how, how finely balanced is this more in your view? how could things go badly wrong for you credit, and what are the possible inflection points that you've tried needs to watch for?

what do you crash going to continue to defend? the russians will continue to months offensive operations. well, they see opportunities as they are indeed mounting some of the form of offensive in the northern part of the house. it appears not with the effective results, so you can go to continue to protect itself protected center of gravity. it's also strength and it's also strength visits people and it will add it's determination the lots made. so lots has also got a protected source of strength, which is, it's a lot, it's cation, i think it ukraine will prevail. i think your credit is prevailing at the moment, but it can, it will only achieve final victory when it has broken through a port of the russian defenses. and in my view from crime. yeah. i'm from those lines of communication, don to crime, to making it very impossible for the russians to hold on. and so i just got

a recall, a huge amount more effort. and let's be on site jeff. it's not going to be ever with one offensive. i think we have to be ready to support the ukrainians in a series of counter offensive or which are going to require the same levels of training equipment. i'm interested in that the launching of the fast defensive across. so this could run on for time. so the west nature needs the strategic patients to continue to support your grand till the end, the end of the day. you know, how about the possibility? i think it was a, in an article in may that if the west thousands supply all the hardware you pay needs now, victory may not be possible. a nice entrance might have to intervene. directing to assure that k f wins. um, do you think that's a real possibility? is that something that nato would have a seriously contemplate, that they saw never seriously come to places before the 2014, or even up to 2014, an invasion of ukraine. by rushing nature,

i never seriously contemplated the baltic states would be for us. and you can never say never a setup to the subject at this wasn't about it, but it never do. rarely, if it really service is all nice, i would in the rockland, would you, you inside ukraine? i think you'd have seen a completely different approach to turns back up because it is nice. i saw this in 2014 for example. so never roll anything out. um does what is nice i would gain to have to get involved. i pray not. but if the alternative is a decade of style makes a decade, all an enormous consequences, a running so in eastern europe, who knows nature, paul might need to get involved in order to swing the balance because that sort of style made a running so in eastern europe along the borders of ukraine is going to be a french to, to europe in security. and if at the end of the day, your pan security is, is threatened. nature of security,

trusting nighttime may have to take action to support your credit. but the way to avoid is that the way to avoid may to engagement is the double don know, and next. yeah. on what ukraine needs to achieve, victory. but just to follow up on, on how you think this might go. do you think the base or whenever chief consensus on a plan to move in directly assisting crazy enforcers with members like 100 off trip? so i kept talking, oh, possessing a veto. you think the getting together to do that? well, it goes, australia is, is not as all the major a number, but no point is absolutely fine. the coast consensus would be incredibly difficult to get concepts that consensus. but as a sonata nature moves at the speed of us leverage ship and the con board. and if, if the threats is the, is the circumstances of, i'm not clear and not the moment, but who knows antonio's time. and things may well have changed and, and,

and if it needs to nice or we'll get that. you've told him some of your interviews about a war last thing 2 to 3 years. no quick fixes. is that a danger that over such a long periods, but it will result as globalized? it drops from the headlines. people get bored, they lose the fighting spirit. body dries up on the priorities begin to dominate. is that a possibility in this instance to think? absolutely, absolutely, and that's exactly what i'm worried about. the west losing interest, the west losing momentum, the west losing 5 coast nights. i may say, oh i'm is they tied defense forces not building themselves up. suffice without being built off to face. that's right. absolutely. that's my concern. but the with, as i said, i that with an election the next year in america, will america continue to provide that enormous capability? and that's something we got to watch and it comes back to my point about the way to

make sure that ukraine achieves that spectrum as quickly is doubled on what it needs. now, in order to avoid that long running a long running and stay on it, do for see what kind of your do you foresee coming out of this or it's, it's not going to be the same. is it? nothing is ever going to be the same again after this, what changes? everything changes. dr. changes how perception of security in your doesn't it, i think very still saw it very still in your, among european countries a lingering feel that somehow we can go back to some sort of states of the quote to with russia. that is not going to happen. what ever happens? yeah, let's assume you create a cheese that's been a trip jacked. is let's assume the guns bull silent. the veterans some as a result of 5 of the russians running a white flag, all of us are novices or something. and the ukrainians able are able to, to, to liberate as much of the country as will allow them. the security of, of,

i was not looking for that is not going to stop russia about russian dissolved under what a leader is in the kremlin. russia will continue to want to eliminate ukraine from a map. it's built into russian dna that ukraine cannot exist as a, as a country. there is no such thing as a separate nation or culture of ukraine. and that means that ukraine has got to become part of nature, and that means, but in order to protect and they try to protect your protect the laws, protect the crane nights i was going to establish a bond of the tyrants, deal around around eastern europe between 2 due grand mall drive of georgia, maybe even one day by the rest, to protect against a russian. because what we're witnessing is a decline of the russian. and this is going to play out over the decades to come. it's not a bit of an over and done with quickly. it's yours of my grandchildren,

100 based pricing goes challenge. and so the only way to maintain peace in your loans is through an effective nato to turn so that instead of change the change but dynamic in economically financially, the way your does is business. i don't think the public is completely dropped out, but that's my view of the way things are going to happen. do you think a doctor of new care to tone subscribes to survive this conflict? now the russians being waving gets nukes and all faces. and how are we going to see it when they have a nuclear arm states doing the same thing, whatever they want, something that to we won't get home as. yeah, i mean, i think you're going to be really careful about us as assuming, but somehow because we've got, you're right in this country we've, we've got tried to attempt to come to the attempt to continental a sickness. all that is going to credibly russian aggression to the tire effectively. you need to be able to, to talk at every level of symmetric, conventional, tactical nuclear, all the way up the scale. i think for the foreseeable future, russia of course,

will post a new friend the way to to the target is to have effective new political turns, as well as conventional the turns by the way, to and showed up a new class. but the nuclear saber rattling is, is, in a sense rendered um, meaningless, is through effective conventional to tire detox because of rational things that it can get away with nuclear black mile 'vette. it won't try that. and if you have effective the terms on every level, it wouldn't be able to provide for your, for your home, the big a problem, the west to show that it listens to new, clear, black male. it's been listening to what the crime in the sentence it's, it's turned on its rhetoric. it hasn't given you credit. the weapons that need it listens to new, clear back, ma'am. and that makes it valuable to basically like north korea, doesn't it? well, let's just back to my point about self determines uh,

i'm not cooling pritchens month. i mean, let's be clear. and the sort of new saber rattling is really, really dangerous. but yeah, the west needs to be absolutely unequivocal. and i'm shoulders the top of, i mean, i think we have to not upset and of course is that there is communication between america and rush it up. there is communication between certain, all the native capital's and russia. i'm absolute this out that the message has been played out very powerfully, but if there is in the fall of nuclear, new to release time to come over. otherwise, russia can expect us off a massive pay conventionally as a result. but the wesley stickler determined about that. so richard sheriff, we run out of time, unfortunately. thank you very much for being on complex. so thank you for having me . thankful for your time. thank you. the

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