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the, the agent philosophers, seneca said the day of our death is the birth of the trinity. once he died, he joined the realm of the mortal literally told you, you don't have to die. what if he could live forever? the we've been trying to fight death since the beginning of her existence. evolution is slow and the world has changed. evolution is not just something that happens to us. any evolution gave rise to a species, but now does something to it's of the solar technology is

our new phase of evolution. and if we do not adapt to it will be covered the alternative as long as possible. maybe a 1000 times. well, for the 1st time, you have a scientific, technological possibilities to do the we spend so much of our lives in the digital realm. now some believe a, i will not only extend human life, but it can make us immortal. the issue is say, oh my god,

our family memories are in these photo albums, especially now since my mother's passed away. and my father is in a retirement home that's pedagogy and that's me. oh, so this is, this is head of a, gee, when he was younger and it was studying in denmark areas. so he went to then we had a master's degree. yeah that's, that's him to was a teacher. he was so many things. a scientist, businessmen, baby carrier, the bad, can you see us? oh, that's great. we're at home. yeah. you, after and zara and everything. yeah. hey, attorney said provides has had a data. thank who is, how does the code see?

so the house and vancouver, you sold it? do you remember? do you remember when you and mom got married? the, my father's 78 years old now and has dementia, the shirt. the. what if there's a way to avoid the inevitable? what if there was a way to keep some part of him alive forever? i went to talk with lincoln cannon to tackle the same questions when his father passed away after a long battle with cancer. once we're at an age where we realize that that

is coming at us, we have to manage at some he's part of the trans humanness movement which believes in the ethical use of technology to transcend human limits, even transcend desk. fortunately, we are working very hard to make that optional. or what did you mean when you said you'd like death to be opposite? oh yes. so death i would love death to be optional because well, optional is a key word because some people get into situations where there are things that are worse than death. my father died of cancer and at a certain point that was the right thing to do because living with in such suffering just wasn't worth it. but if we have ways of healing the cancer,

well then let's hear him. and then i bet he wouldn't want to die. the, this is the church of perpetual life. every month they invite speakers from around the world to discuss that friends, humanist police and discoveries. today's visiting speaker is a trans humanness philosopher and pastor next speaker the well this is my 1st time at the church a perpetual life. so i'm strongly thrilled just to be here. it is kind of turn out, is extraordinary for it for any belief for any faith. so i mean this all give ourselves a round of applause, a pat on the back for making it out here. we're ready to go out and make you turn

to the rate again, but not when i 1st started and they started calling me pastor g. i am now known as swami g. as my affectionate nickname, gabriel is a pastor with terrorism, a trans humanist religion that believes we can use technology to achieve immortality. a fundamental to every religion is the mortality of the soul. which in terrorism is our consciousness. the philosophy that science will conquer death is a basic terrace, and believe the mortality versus terror. sam is publicizing that immortality as possible because the soul is data and not

material. we believe that the information that is, the soul is cap triple. and it is transferable, capturing your ideas, capturing your thoughts or memories of vision that data set is what we call a mind the 5 mind file. you lost me up, soul is data. but let me just try to break down the idea of mine files. i imagine you could capture the essence of who you are, the all your thoughts you try and the your feelings

that moment you 1st fell in love, the deepest loss, the lease of the day, the 1st status on the basically that's what mind files are terraced and believes these memories and experiences are the key to her immortality. if the captured in transferred, that's the trans human, his belief that we can transfer consciousness to artificial bodies and conquered death. okay. this is pure sci fi fantasy right? that hold on. so much of our lives is now online. it's not surprising that mindful technology is already being developed as we speak. if you don't believe me,

check out this consumer electronics show in vegas. the artificial it's a little bit different for me. i was computationally created based on how real humans looks and because my advice could be upload to avatars like these they can extend your life, but they are kind of immortality. an artificial immortality is to help you become even worse. if you could upload yourself into one of these, would you? hello digital dfcs?

yep. this is deepak chopra, listening himself on. good morning america. that's how wide spread this technology is becoming. you know, the pack, the human, not the digital copy. as a spiritual grew the core wellbeing is a field of infinite possibilities, a doctor who turned to alternative medicine and wrote dozens of books that have sold billions of copies. hello, i'm a digital version of dr. deepak chopra. cree wanted to see if he could create an a i clone of himself. i'm in training to serve as your incident wellbeing guide. visits in the park is like a baby's at the moment and like any baby needs education and expanded knowledge. so i'm training it right now. please into your email. it is reading all of my 90 close,

so books. it can replicate my efficient expressions and my eye movements and the tone of my voice. what made you want to create an a i pharmacy or so? i'm hoping that you have to one day talk to the grandkids of my grandkids and then from them about their time. so it will be a simulation of me and that i hope is be in marching soon. i can go with you every way you will be inside your phone ready at any time to serve you. if a simulation of him is immortal, does he achieve true immortality? vice over see how close is the digital d pog to the real human and wow. he's tracking me is this is heather shamira from

a i foundation the company behind digital detox. how is this something different from say, siri, visual. the park is actually entirely different from alexa from siri, from any kind of, you know, kind of voice in the box situation. you're personally understanding his guidance is wisdom. you can ask him questions. you have a relationship with digital d pop. you don't have a relationship with alexis, serious, etc. hey, hey, fuck it. hey, i'm here with my friend, and do you want to introduce yourself to? yes, i sure can. awesome. heather says digital d poc isn't just spouting, prerecorded sentences analyzes data, responds to facial expressions, antonio voice, i've done hundreds of interviews, but nothing like this and advertise, i can think on its feet. i didn't expect that. what do you think about people seeking immortality on earth.

ready no need to wait for death or having to prove that if you turn to t is really very interesting about it. he is deep. thank you. so the park will talk tomorrow, right. okay. all right, bye. i. i didn't expect to like start to think like, oh i should say part of where's it going to go? but yeah, that's a weird thought. yeah. here's the computer via the core they gonna do is you're gonna need 2 more for and the i get like, you know, it's weird that i was thought for. sure. yeah, well, you're actually the human that's what surprised the most. i didn't expect to connect with this digital a i clone or makes me think about my conversations with my dad. hi. i wonder what if we had captured his memories in a personal

a i clone before his own memory started going. okay. what would it be like to have an, a version of ourselves, a way for us to be part of family life, even after we die, which is this enables i think it's extremely unlikely that you can suddenly press a button and your consciousness will be transferred. however, i believe that you can have something like consciousness to find it digital format, even after you die. the thing around them on academic content nor i built a scanner called swipe. it was a random a has been building a platform that will enable us to live on forever and what he calls an augmented eternity. so augmented the trinity is about creating a digital version very similar to yourself. and it's going to represent your wisdom in a different way in which the next generation can benefit from it. anyone can create

their personal and i think this is what i want to give access to my children. but this is my professional for filing a i a in a not. so was the pursuit a few minutes to say ok, now i want to mimic the brain. how we see. but the key thing about a, i, to date it has, it has always been tried to mimic the logical brain, not the emotional break. so that's why a lot of the work that we do is to understand that fiction, that empathy is really that new ones on how that wisdom is gonna get manifests that to really help you with your emotions to help you with that sense of presence. sometimes they may be a family gathering and people really want to interact with your avatar. sometimes maybe you're too late to build an avatar for my father, but i wonder what if i created one for my kids? i asked to say and, and he said he could make the one when you're building the systems. there are 2

for new years or 2 streams that you bought it from 3 to perfect. one is the interaction layer, which can go from a holographic avatar to a chat feature phase 2 events. email and then the other components which is very important, it's, it is one under to put it is the algorithmic capabilities, the data, how the data comes in. what is under the hood of an a i clone. well, the thing to show me how it works. i need to get them data in lots of it, photos, home, videos, yearbooks, anything i can upload for jose and to create my mind file, i spent hours converting his memories into my mind file

the since we last met. you have provided some, some information about, let's say, some tea events in your lives, such as the birth of your daughter, ask her. and it was very interesting to look at the system on how it responds to these types of interactions and questions. the as job is to learn everything you can about me from my photos in theory is should be able to answer questions from my daughters the same way i would my daughter wanted to know how i felt the day she was born. when you asked that question, you provided a number of images. it went and found a picture that was relevant to the day of birth. i need use different types of a i was to identify elements in that picture to come up with an answer.

it actually went and created different features from your facebook identify mood or, or emotion. it could feel that you were 94 percent relieved. 33 percent happy. then at the point and generated these answers for you. the system said i was relieved of stress and over whelmed with happiness. that's not how i would word it. but this sentiment is right. so that's how st. a system recreates memory. i wonder how similar it is to the way human brains create memories. what connections are made to form and memory, and what's lost when that memory is gone. so it's great to find me too. oh, great. well, thanks for coming. let me show you the drive out of office i have here. dr. kalsich

valiant a. it's a narrow surgeon and scientist at the criminal brain institute. when you hear about artificial intelligence approximating the human brain, what do you think? uh yeah, i think it's, it's a bit of a pie in the sky. i think uh, we know so little about the brain, so imagine us being able to create something similar or a can to it is just, it's very hard to imagine. the, it's the most complex structure in the universe. artificial intelligence systems and networks are trained. but there's very few things, if anything that approximate the brain's ability to generalize this knowledge. and one of them more difficult kind of functions that we try to measure is really memory. you know, every time i tell you a story of my, my personal life, i loose and it's associations in the brain. i tell you it. and then i read and

codes that information. and so, you know, we're all point to confound relation. so the one thing about memory is that it's not absolute, and in fact it's, it's a lot less accurate then we'd like to believe it is. that's fascinating. so in some sense, we're re creating a memory as we tell us. yeah. and then touching it slightly. photo shopping it. yeah, i probably for the memories, i said it's very different somehow artificial intelligence systems read data. the, interestingly, you know, the factory system in the mail system has a direct input into your memory system. and i think that's one of the very unique things about the human brain is that you and your memories are lived experience there. they have this sort of richness to it. do you think i can replicate the human brain?

i know not ever. oh my gosh, you know you never say never right. the chelsea helped me understand the complex relationship between our brains and our bodies. how would we ever replicate that in a machine? the allison marjorie has been pioneering research and brain development. and he's the director of the you see san diego stem cell program and he's discovered a way to grow human brain cells in a petri dish. my life focuses on human brain development and evolution. and we recreate the human brain outside the body using stem cells. so my lab has be focus

on producing protocols to recreate what we call brain organizes organizer clusters of brain cells that form a simple neural network. but in a dish instead of a mood, all the neural networks that we use for education captions that kind of region. so they're limited on what they can do. the human brain doesn't work that way. we are more flexible. this is what we call neuro plasticity. and we can mimic that, you know, software in the computer yet because we just don't know how the brain does. so by studying how these near own self, why are these bring organized? perhaps we can create artificial intelligence algorithms that are more human like can these organize become much more complex? the nuance, like they begin to formulate thoughts? i do think that seem to future business definitely possible, especially if we start adding, enabling the structure. a step is required for

a brain to store a memory. this is mike or re, uh, we for electro. it's printed in the bottom of the dishes. this is the plate that we use to record the activity from the organ lines. these brain cells are firing signals, speaking to each other, because that's in their nature. brain cells form networks and communicate. they decided to try and connect these brain signals to a robot. very original idea was okay, let's get something that has the legs. so we team off, we've got a team that works on the robotics was a form, and we started teaching the robot. we've the human cigna, as they said, the brain organized signals through the computer to the robot, right? the, this is coming on a cell. we reprogram we made a bring organ,

a line that's pretty organized now since you know anything directly we for robotic interface. the some people keep asking or imagining, wow, i mean, can these organ, why is that the one point become cautiousness or, or, or cell 4, we're of the start to is an oregon no idea to dish. and i think that's possible. we don't have any evidence that this is happening now, but he might be testing the future. we'll get to that stage. it makes me wonder how soon it will be before it's not just in sec robots, but android's power by artificially created brains. the

depend has always been fascinated by how this country embraces ancient tradition and futuristic to the this is canon and android beast and the 400 year old temple in kyoto, where she gets timmons on buddhist teachings that are 2500 years old. that's the next that i needed. my sister to cook the cutest. i think he killed kind of see already for come monday kid it. i didn't know you're not going to be connecting me a the she that even got even got 3 that you bring in the female. the androids have become part of the fabric of

everyday life in japan. the we cannot separate the robots in a few minutes. i'm going to do the part that we humans you made up of the one all but it also you should google has been staring down that fin line between humans and robots. and he's the director of the intelligent robotics laboratory at most of the university and do a robot developed by professor. so he should go by creating a bit of human life robots. i'm trying to understand, what is your mind? is it what's uh, what's kind of on the assess, we have as a few months, right? so, you know, i'm trying to think we mentioned that the ideas onto that robert. i'm jim and lloyd h. i find you might be fries. you should not be at all. she's building early

prototypes for what may become much more advanced a androids. my name is jeff. no, it has travelled around the world to give talks. and even though it's a far cry from the androids on west world, on this here isn't a clone. that looks so much like the human people see the android on stage and mistake it for him. people say so. and that to me, that people recognize the my android as myself. i to watch a quite interesting experience for me. it is very difficult to pull that you called me on on the last minute, assuming i should have on file that we have to make us fox the out of us. this is the fucked development center all on the right to catch you. and she has collaborated on many androids including their latest child robot called it

booky. ringback it booky translates us breath symbol of life, or a bookcase, a child and royce. so everybody's paying kind to the child on the right. 22 are the good. it was just so weird because you the right script my hand move. yeah. it's so strange to be held by the key. what's going on in his mind could issue. so nice to reach here.

the uniqueness of a jump on is the spirit. so as your plan is the cartridges, so we b, every single types of saw this one. how does this on to joe has a saw them? i have a solid right? so we did it with this thing. is this your mind? the others and everything's as a sort of. ringback watching you do key, i can help, but seem as a little child filled with curiosity in wonder about the world, the coming okay. but again, i can say, he said, when you see a spike in the information technology, there's a sign that you're in the end of the times. there was always, i didn't say that he did it over here by mr. daniel chapter 12 billy kronos. the

reverend at sunrise baptist church in las vegas, he's been following the latest developments in a i and biotech to letting this technology out of so called pandora's box a i, it could very well spill it, the end of mankind it's, it's a threat to our, our existence, multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth while awake some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. bible says you're going to live on forever. is one of 2 places. you go to heaven or you go to hell. that's it. so that's what the sad thing is, a transfer you minutes. they think they're gonna live on forever. well, i don't disagree, but technology isn't gonna lead you where you need to go. you're not going to get to continue to replicate yourself. it is a point of man to die once and then face judgment. the visions of the apocalypse have hunted us through millenniums. in the past,

we turn to god for the promise of salvation. any turn a light but we live in the digital age now and looked at technology for the answers. are we creating an a i supreme being in our own likeness? what happens if the creation, smarts, the creator? what is the cost of this current? normally, some people would say that's next bostrom on the ted stage talking about when a guy will become smarter than us. we're actually recently arrived guess on this planet. the human spacious. well, like, think about if the world life was created or it was created one year ago, the human speech has done would be 10 minutes old, or nick is a philosopher at oxford university who works alongside computer scientists. is ted

talk had a huge impact and explorers these ideas further in his book, super intelligence. so for intelligence, if any intellect that radically out performs even the, the sharpest human minds across the board. so imagination, try to get the social skills wisdom, the full tunnel, play a few minutes. i can see the not just one more. it's a general substitute for human cognition. the might on a superintendent mind, entirely devoted to maximizing the number of paper types that exist in the world. so it would create great schemes for achieving political control, maybe an event, whole new manufacturing technologies where maybe the earth and then the rest of the universe is turned into the paper tape factors. so this is

a cartoon example. the specific example of paper to expect. there is a real point under like this, which is that if you're not really careful, you might then get the world that's shaped according to a kind of florida objective that starts to the survival of the human species or other ways that the future could be permanently destroyed the permanently destroyed. i don't even know what that would mean. a i taking over the entire universe. that could be the end of consciousness. not just earth. and it would be our own doing. you are everything else? a pause uh to me to

be, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me r r k a r r r. everything goes. this is a voice rendition of facebook, a chat box talking to one another. you are or are everything else they were shut down when developers realized they had created their own coded language. paul's have 0 to me to me, to me. it's a far cry from computers taking over the world. but it is a i taking our language to completely unforeseen territory. you are everything else. the

douglas fresh cost is a writer in professor media studies at city university of new york. most of the folks i talk to in the a i world, think of a i as a way to improve people, not just the a as a we smarter but that they will be somehow more ethical. but will they be alive? is the real question. will it be conscious? what distinguishes us from the machine is that we could even ask a question. that question is becoming more and more urgent with the recent advances in a i douglas wrote a book about it. it seems human is really meant as an optimistic rallying cry to

say we're worth something and all that stuff that you're looking for in the screen is right there in all the other people who are looking at their screens right now that you're going down a dead end and it's not, it's not too late. okay, so thanks and welcome. yeah. so i was on a panel with that famous trans humanist who was arguing that human beings should pass the torch to our f. illusionary successors. i argue, you know, they know that, that human beings deserve a place in the digital future that we should be around for something other than keeping the lights on for the computers and then and then fading away into extinction. and he said, oh rush, cause you're just saying that because you're human, it's like, it was humorous, then that's when i said fine, you know, guilty as charged right on on tv. i said it yeah, kill them. i'm on. i'm on team human. the

reflection we can call you, my name is huge today my daughters and i get to meet my avatar. how old are you? i'm not sure how to answer that. don't ask me something else. um, when was i born? uh, do you know my name? yes. your name, sir. uh, what grade in my in your going into grade 7. what's one of your favorite trips with us? a new born. we got your passport and we took the time and we are on the beach to which akita,

korea. so you could meet bellingers on trips here. it was wild to see it in action . sometimes it felt creepy to me like the face root. but it's why of that look at are looking at us tracking us. wow. what did you guys think talking to that avatar? the, i would try doesn't really have a soul, you know? so it's, it's like you think they're having these emotions, but really they're just they, they just react because humans back that way. but really, they're not feeling it would you want to become a model digitally? i don't think you can. if it does that make sense? like, i think, even if you're that kind of stuff is part of you is going to fade away the

after months of social distancing my uncle and i finally get to visit my father. the, i can't have them, but at least were together. okay. okay, and so i brought some fat photo albums. do you remember that? was that the you took that very convincing then? no, no, no, no, yes. who is this the in need me and or see your wife. and i thing is i thought the photos would help, but maybe my dad story telling days are over. i remember what tell fee could told

me about all our senses being intricately connected to memory. and i have an idea, remember, used to pass records a pass to member this records the last time was the are you to see that was the doris day saying this song 64 years ago when my dad was still a teenager on a farm and south korea, when i was job job there,

my nose here. there are into a new goes here to who in between the 2. volunteer? yeah. cranberry, i'm really kind of in the right. this is the beginning of the story of my parents life together. it's cool to hear him tell it to me. now. life is so fleeting. i wonder if i will ever be able to capture that. especially fragile moments like these when i was just i asked my mother with the here's what she's the,

the villagers k sarah. sarah, well, the way i grew up my suite, the anxiety depression, bipolar disorder, mental health issues like these i've seen asked about topics in many african societies. you'll applicants to struggling with that mental health i left to their own devices in the past. uh, people have stuck to these misconceptions about mental health. that mental illness is a curse or, you know, it's the one positions the 77 percent in 30 minutes, dw is 10. will people be able to survive the big one?

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