they mutual mental health, all of us medical health personnel as have been trained, is a country and mental health. i wanted to order to change what the doctor said. so being able to uh, being changed to diagnose an illness does not mean shooting that unit. okay. yes, so the able to see that they but you know that, but do they have the power, the necessary tools and is that you meant to treat because you're facing that trains to diagnose it? then what's the point? i mean, how many, how many people do we have in the areas that have been treated for mental health problems? i think that is what i want it to raise again to hear it. the people are that they can diagnose, but if the facility is not giving the right treatment, then what's the point? this comes back to us. the on us is on, on every health plus personnel to pick up the mentor and prior ties, mental health. and this is what we keep encouraging for mental health. what is key is a good history taking. remember, it's psychological, it's information, it's social. this is what we aim to train. are you really dealing with the, with,

with the psycho social aspect of it as well? because then why are we having suicide? a suicide is every of the many reasons why one would reach to a level of suicide and the many fucked as to present patient of suicide. first one, the individual talked of the 1st is the individual able to open up to anyone? how is it portraying, remember, even the most the most people in the world with so many people are on the have committed suicide. they've got access to all the best, mental specific, his best mental book, those psychotherapy, psychiatrist on their team. okay. and the still come in suicide with a smile on the 5th. i'm going to come by because duncan didn't mention that in the beginning. he did not have a place to go to and even where he went to hospitals or places they cannot really tell of what his father. well, this is what we're trying to know my life duncan always saying that it hasn't been some sort for no, but are we working on them? yes, i was coming back to you, but let me just come to the mcdonald quickly before i come back. you are studying secretary of telling me how is the enrollment of this field, annual school,

and how many people do you have in your class? just just to know the stat numbers here. so they know means it's not so difficult in, in my class. currently we have about 36, you know, as much as people me want to study psychiatry, i guess the interest is growing slowly. but then, you know, even when we were getting into this field for my students would tell us that we had just wasting all the time you bit to assign something else to do because the government doesn't employee as many. so, you know, even though lecture sometimes advise us that we should create our own employment, create your own mental facility because the government does not employ people, it with the private and very much expensive us. what exactly that is going to be exactly. let me just come to you quickly here. yes. tell me what, what, what do you want to comment on that? so the problem that we're having is the information got most people don't know about mental health, right? was this so ministry or types towards mental health? so many beliefs and misconceptions that need to be broken down 1st. so we need

everyone here, the advocates and stuff like that. what they really need to do is get to the guest . guess what? because at the moment it's regarded as something that spiritual someone may be going through duncan mission, right? he was going through him into health challenge. when he went to people to ask about what was going on, people didn't know what to tell him. they didn't know what was going on, right? that just shows us the real problem that we need to address, which is the information gap. there is an information away and as gap and again, so when it's talking about tradition of, you know, resorting to traditional means. i mean, this is a medical issue, but so it is, you know, he does make a major part of its workforce. are you, in fact of regulating that open nation? how do you oversee this? that's why in your own, i brought up the issue of station and the way and it's, it's important. a lot of stigma that we're seeing is because of a lack of knowledge. but then what bad, the highest responsibility they said is the primary duty background. this is why you should have started. we have to understands. i'm just called to context. this.

the 2 aspects is the spiritual aspect of them because i'm do as a christian nation. secondly, we have the traditional aspect as well. so even when we talk about mental health, mental health has a lot to do with the least psychological social perception to life. so meaning, even as we approach diverse individuals, we have to factor in that. so this is a possible way you are actually looking for during the day we are considering everything at everyone and we're getting everyone on board tray. do some of people like getting them on board spiritual people are getting them on board academics number and i'm on top of what guessing the board mental health personnel with getting them on board. well, calling everyone together, it's everyone's problem this, that's what we use and comes in the home. it starts from the home. interesting. let me just come to benjamin quickly. do you agree to that point? of course, managing the traditional healers, a waste, the, the, the by them it's, if you're like, do you think that this could be a possible pathway to this issue? it shouldn't be a possible impact of what it should be part of it,

possibly before everything else, we belong to a community or a system. and a vested, we started with a funding to you need to write if they have the additional issues of values, which they perhaps spend a value if they promote shooting that is about recording progress, to, to know a push to talk. okay. entertainment. yeah. oh, i'm dr. you wanted to clarify a point. yes. um. so as much as there's a spiritual, cultural, traditional context, remember, who still have to be fair when it comes to the medical treatment. let's give, let me give an example of something called when like a tv, a lot of people, i use that even denial, bought a tv and they'll seek alternative treatment, traditional treatment, pres. but after some time, we still console them to come to a point to realize that please, you also need to add to your thoughts, reach me at the end of a medical guidance. and that's why i ask, why do you draw the line? and then how are you trying to make people understand that at some point, this is a medical, you know, a medical issue. it went to maybe the spiritual aspect might be that as most of you

upset, but where do you draw this line going forward? yes, so i think even in practice, we tried to make an effort to do that. but at the same time being very respectful of the appliance opinion and view and perception, but still being very objective, you know, communication and also still highlighting that medical aspect. let me just come back to duncan before i come there, you wanted to say something. i would love to, to ask the company to do. also a special to include advocates in up to be as well to also give them we pots the, we have the kennel, so begin to reach out very well. and if i'm, i can just also tell us, because someone mentioned very important point that in this and a holistic approach. and that means everybody, the system has to be functioning. so tell me i'm going forward. how has a struggle of duncan? your son had changed your perception. mean god, god devise my body. because the man was it, i'm gonna run that and i got the and do i didn't my,

i don't see as the web on me. anybody that the well no, why not? so in a couple, you know, set and that we know when a got going it it, i will go and get the forms and sent you the number on the bottom. and then that's the good one. it is actually the one to them go from that time to pitch, to the chat. so buddy's only for no was the case. i'm a my goal, my goal to at the end of the run. now my goal for me to go down to that would be very careful to who do i live in the when am i to, is the my going on? got sweet gum line up. a full p was up is a what do we don't want to access the site? let me just come to and now my time, because someone mentioned that the 2019 mental health of law, you have the act has been passed. right. which means it's mounting to low. so i mean, it also has to get the full protection non discrimination of people struggling with mental health. but is this a progressive attempt on the side of the government looking at where you've come from, the or the last that you had from my perspective? no. when you go to the police station and report something,

the moment you say you are a mental patient, you get read acute. the police don't take those things seriously. it's like these laws have been passed, but then not being implemented. i am for lack of a better way to be disappointed for to hear that you have devaluing that mental health act to that level. we've been uploaded for that mental health act, and that was a huge step for mental health because it's protect it per months. but the advocates what she's saying is, is it the beginning flu shot in terms of the implementation aspect of it because that's the bad and the law is still meaningless. it is the we have a lot of political button. i'll put them in secretary, in the, in the health for all the major programs that are being facilitating this mentally feel st. governmental thoughts. something else a lot. it's a wrong at the to the government is the primary duty there. yeah. you, we hear you, but we are helping with 1st. if it doesn't policy, we need to understand that we can compare mental health to other areas in health right now, it will be, i'm, you know, a month. we're still on the way forward just way for the see why raising your hand

to how you offered solutions. you, you don't obviously my index and the government doesn't have the system in place or have and then the very unreliable. and i don't, i think you would honestly as a test to that. so my question is that, how are we offering solutions when you're doing dr. that the population you're working with? you don't know, you don't know what, what population is actually affected by stigma with, with augusta mentors, personnel. you know, not size, little population cannot access or cannot, cannot afford mental health services. are you saying this going forward? should be a way for what to break this down to make it easy pretty much what i'm saying is that before we can actually go go get photos to get the data for us to someone here . and then yes, the doctor. yes, i think in closing, i would really like us to have an understanding of i understand as an advocate, it's not my job to do the, the government's job. i'm here to hold the government accountable for way. they're a gaps and way things are not happening. and i've like this is getting modeled in this conversation. so i think going forward to advocate got that mentioned. yeah.

it's not my job to do the government stuff as or not. i think that's clear as to why at the front desk i will having the conversation, of course, around the government is not doing it because you need to push and do a little bit more and you've had unreliable data on some of the other issues that emanated from the government side, what are you doing towards the issue of mental health now going forward? there's a lot of training that's coming up for me to help us. so now we're doing a little supervisory elementary mentoring visits when it comes to mental health across the country. then in terms of, since they've this, even though in the top one i'll probably to as well we're looking into that then of course, one of the important aspect that i'd like to highlight, we're calling for apartments. what has just been established is that mental health is real, mental health struggles are real and definitely exist in zambia as well. i know that it can be too much to do so much, especially when it's supposed to be the work of the government. but as people what we can do as well is to be more empathetic to one another. show a lot of show kindness spread, smiles,

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