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the the, this is dw news live and from berlin tonight, the desk told me, it is real from the home boss. a tax rises to at least $900.00 prime minister netanyahu says israel's response to saturdays incursions and killings will change. the middle east, meanwhile, is real and i'm off continue to fire rockets at each other. this as fears grow for the dozens taken hostage by mazda militants. and it's really official says there are no negotiations following reports of
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a possible prisoner swap. and the fame to palestinians, as israel announces a complete blockade of gauze of the year when she says there must be an end to the vicious cycle of violence in the region and the european union. suspending all development a for the palestinians saying there can be no business as usual, the break off is good. they have you with us on this monday is really media reports say that the death toll from saturdays attacks by home oss is now past 900. that's after about a 100. more bodies were found in a small farming community near the gauze border. israel's prime minister netanyahu, and i hope you just spoke to the country, and he said that some hell us didn't. the militants are still inside is real,
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and i'm not sure that the air strikes against the guys in the mazda i just the beginning of a larger operation developed earlier that his country's response to the attacks would quote change of the middle east. or israel has ordered a complete blockade of the gaza strip and it has mobilized a 300000 reserves. is ready. the tanks gathered in fields outside gaza after the violent incursion and terrorist attacks by minutes and group thomas hundreds of thousands of his riley army reservists onto the quote um i don't know what the lead we are imposing a complete siege on gaza. so it will be no electricity, no food, no more to no fuel and everything will be closed. so we are fighting against human animals and we are acting accordingly. hospitalization, gaza already feeling the effects of the brocade running out to critical supplies to treat the many injured by the ongoing strikes. well, headsets, fluid,
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and unfortunately the amount of medical supplies we need to deal with these injuries is insufficient. that just isn't enough. and some of the medicines are not available in the stores of the ministry of health and reform. there's also the threat of running out of fuel into power outage. medical operations cannot be performed in emergency departments without fuel or electricity. you are, the zip is mile. say it is targeting facilities and headquarters of how much and you had 10 of your groups. but hundreds of civilians are being hit by the missile defense across gaza began and i was in my house with my children. i was sleeping in the morning. so came to me, so i was like right and we were hit by the box and the children were fleeing. some people who were interviewed to us and others made monsters by the forwarding with the best. when we fled to the schools, my daughter was hitting the had job a have to do the israel stays,
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the board is with the guys that will stay tight closed, reinforced by tanks law. so just scott, with the south side of mass fighters about the rocket fire continues into israel. and so does the aerial bombardment of the gaza strip. a saving says an insult section by militants is vile. is all sort deploying troops and tanks along its northern border river. they've been on showing the area as i try to push back. the sweat has belong to the beat was born in kind is while now faces the very real to aspect of a multi fun tool and the rest of the world can only watch and hope that that doesn't happen. well, i'm joined now by our a couple of which is a political analyst in journalist based in jerusalem. it's good to have you with
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this. the prime minister just said the is really response and gaza is. and i'm quoting here. you said it was just the beginning. so do we know what the next step will be? that we don't know what exactly will the next step be? what we do now is that there is an unprecedented consensus. indeed, it's rarely society to allow the government and to allow the is really military to go as far as needed to the gods. a script to prevent anyone, not the i'm us, but any to organization in the future from attempting anything similar to this. i don't, the voice is i am hearing from israeli society should be in the last few days coming from all over the political range, including people who used to be human rights activism. then let the m, right. everyone are saying the same thing. if this government doesn't destroy garza destroys how much to ashes it is not legitimate and we will not forget me. what's happening right now in the gaza strip as you probably just the very beginning of
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a long work. nothing, you know, used to be known as a relatively pragmatic leader when it comes to military operation. and even she now is saying words that we haven't heard from him in the past. like this is the response that will be remembered for generations. and it seems like i've been following the video for years. this type, he might actually need audio, marsh have now said that they would be open to negotiate a truce. has there been any reaction from israel? there hasn't been any reaction from israel for a true not in a special one, not an unofficial. once. the consensus indeed is rarely leadership and these really military. and again, it's really society is that israel has all it know. this is based on the extremely high depth, all that as well as experiencing the last few days, a death all with israel hasn't seen relative to the face. it's happening since 1948 . the year that is real was found in saturday was one of the deadliest day in the
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history of the jewish people. since the end of the holocaust, there is no way that anyone is row will agree for a truth. not in coming days, not in coming weeks, and not before a mazda is on the ground, begging for truth. i just don't see it happening. great. now, you know, you said that you have been hearing calls across the political spectrum of, for come off for god's it to be destroyed completely earlier today the military spokes person for whom box said that it will kill a civilian hostage each time is real targets. gov that civilians without warning. now with that in mind, what options does israel have if it wants to one, destroy moss and at the same time save its own citizens. that's an extremely difficult dilemma, as well as indeed pacing right now. and i'm going to say something very tragic. i
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think a lot of people in israel wish that killing the hostages was the worst thing. how much can do unfortunately, we know that, that, that, that's not true. we're hearing today 1st reports of extreme, brutal sexual violence against the woman health hosted by some up. i'm sorry if that sounds very graphic, but that has to be know. and right now is really government has to maneuver between this extremely difficult situation which starts the leap to be is rarely society and the need to fight most and encounter it. and if there is any sort of negotiation for humanitarian corner that will allow the police woman refugees were sexually assaulted and raped by almost right now with the gun script is where the government might take it. however. busy over i don't believe it's will make the is really government stop the offensive against the gun to spray. and i'm wondering, do we know anything about negotiations that are maybe taking place the back door channels between moss is,
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is real or maybe mediated by 3rd parties. do we know anything about possible talks this way? so we have heard earlier today that there are tons of talk between israel and come up through the usual mediator as being guitar in egypt. the offer, again, is to release women prisoners, jailed and is rarely present in exchange for the women, children and the elderly people sitting up and tortured by from us. it's unclear right now whether this will actually take place. it depends on the pressure that the arab world will put on come up, and this humanitarian crisis that is really starting to intentionally and publicly create. and the gotten script might be a mean of pressure to make the, our world pressure from up until then take this chance for a few minutes area and deal. and then keep fighting is route after that. and what about the pressure being put on the is really government by the is really people. i mean, they must look at what has happened and see this as
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a total failure of their military intelligence. so this is something that is very present right now, but the as rarely society is focused on 2 things right now on greece and the attempts to win over and reverse what just happened. this is the worst military catastrophe. israel hesitate, since it was founded in 1948, there is no one in israel who will disagree with this. this is understood the main question now. one is rarely society is how will the situation change? there is a lot of pressure on the government. and one of the biggest question is, will there, and how will there be a ground maneuver in the garden split with the intelligence collapse and completely, i know after speaking to sources that these really military is rebuilding a lot of its forces and the, the is really intelligence is making special effort to prepare this maneuver. i mean, let me ask you about what we have been seeing inside is real in the past year. i mean, there been mass protests. we know the country is politically polarized,
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because of these judicial reforms that y'all, who wants to see through many people say israel society was split when it was called off guard on saturday. has that changed? and would you go so far to say that this polarization may have played a factor in weakening the country's defense. as on saturday there is no doubt that this polarization and the tensions within israel, tempted from us and a 1000. and as long as you had to take what it solved and opportunity in attack israel, however, as soon as the attack took place, this polarization is something that the, as rarely society has just put aside. israel has gone through split and polarization for many, many years. and there's no doubt that the last year was extremely difficult in that sense. but i've seen how the people who organized the most massive and well organized protest in israel against the government during the last year used all
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their power and channeled all their infrastructure from driving people to protest to driving soldiers to the front from buying food for protesters to buying food for military base it, there is no more question in these revenue society about how resources should be used. they are all channel by all the organizations taking part in the pro to, to help the military and to help the volunteers to win this war and to when i'm us and the palestinian islamic jihad. i mean, let me ask you about the role of benjamin netanyahu. i'm there are people who could look at what has happened in the last year with this um, judicial reform route and they could blame the yahoo for dividing the country and maybe making the country show its achilles heel to her mos. do you see that happening or do you see that in yahoo maybe being able to rehabilitate himself instantly by the war effort now as well. there's definitely
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a lot less voices right now from both sides, blaming each other for the split and for this, showing the seal as you put it. even people who used to criticize the other political side very loudly and in any circumstances are now more silent than before . however, there are still efforts that need to be made to take that fuller ization down in the last few days. conspiracy that started to go in these rarely network claiming that this whole failure was done by a treason, a step in the back from a general belonged to the left wing. and we still haven't seen that then, you know, denying that publicly which would be very efficient to make that conspiracy go away and very much necessary for these revenue society. right now. journalists on a couple of minutes in jerusalem tonight with the latest on what remains, a very volatile situation in israel. audi. thank you.
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well, as we heard, they are growing for years about the fate of dozens of people who were abducted by homeless militants on saturday. then is really official, has denied reports of negotiations to secure the release and exchange for palestinians being held in is really prisons. now many of the hostages were taken while attending an outdoor music festival and is real near the gaza strip. hundreds of bodies had been recovered from the sight of that faster speeds of terror at a race in the desert. most terrorists open fire on the crowds and chase people down . taking hostages. one woman said she hid in a centers grove to stay alive for me. and they were just all around me and they were going 3 by 3 and shooting anywhere from 2 sides. and they so many people like the people were dying like all around this
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video shows a terrified young woman driven away on a motorbike by fighters. while her partner is marched away, his hands tied behind his back to the aftermath. hundreds of dead bodies charge vehicles along the road. a few were lucky. this footage purportedly shows a hostage rescue is rarely forces freeing people after a fierce gun battle with him us. foreign nationals were also taken. one hostages mother made an appeal from germany. we were sent a video in which i clearly recognized my daughter. she said, i'm conscious in a car with the palestinians who drove along the gaza strip. i am asking for any news or help to please be sent to us in june. the diplomatic efforts are underway
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to arrange a humanitarian quarter to evacuate women, children, and elderly hostages. but for now, relatives can only watch and wait. i'm joined now by till may or shall long the joys be from the is really city of to dera, which is just north of tel aviv his daughter and her best friend went missing on saturday to me and we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us, um we can only begin to imagine about how difficult of the circumstances must be for you. what can you tell us um, what was your daughter doing on saturday before she went missing? my daughter uh. excuse me. uh, what was you. you were asking what you was doing before? yeah. did you? what was the last thing you heard from her? okay, the last time we heard the song nom and the bar a friend,
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which is a german and citizen, also a they are, they are working in a body, you know, that could be susceptible. and then be heard from her at the about the a 2 30 in the morning. we've got a phone calls. she was writing. right. and you could hear it here. i have gotten shots around and she was saying that shit, they were hard to give me kind of a shelter. and then i will show that it's going to finish quickly and them. but and i told her to stay calm and that they're in a safe place and she didn't have the batteries, so she re hang up. and now that was the last time
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we we heard something from her. have you been able to try to reach her? i mean it's, is the battery still working on our phone? have you been able to try to call her back at she had a little more of battery after we we spoke and she was talking to a friend. and in that time sheet assist. uh uh, some, some girl that the had a gun show up here in the leg. she helped there in the ambulance. okay. and that was the last time there were someone. and so, so talk to her at so she go from that shelter to the envelope and then after that, nobody know, nobody can tell us what would happen, which maybe could be a good sign if she was there at the ambulance where the,
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the emergency services were at the, at the, the police have the authorities, have they been able to tell you anything about her whereabouts? since that moment? well, the issue is that we don't know nothing. nobody is like has been dam information to give us. so i don't know really what happened. i just right, trying to collect some stories, but they were why the documents about it? about what happened in the weekends and my daughter, she's a power medic so. so she, she went to help you went to celebrate, but you saw a gunshot, so i guess she was, she was helping and assisting that to me that they did with a bunch of things. yeah. which is what i don't know more than that. um, you know,
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here we're here we are today, we're talking about more talking about the military moving and possibly the to the gaza strip. i mean these, these are, you know, huge geo political stories here, right? i'm talking to you as a father who just wants to see his daughter again. how do you put all of these events in order in your mind right now? i mean, you know, for people watching this, how would you explain how you're feeling? a look. it's like, it's a very pleased for me at the israeli palestinian conflict is there, but i'm not talking about it. the thing that's happened that nothing related to that, that related to eh, to as a crime against human service, is way beyond war. because it's, it's, um, people,
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civilians would keep up the power and maybe that's helping people go to volunteer in helping people this people space young people that, that are thinking as though freeze in a war. this is the, i can not, nobody can understand that. this is the way beyond the war, and this is, should, should, like, everybody should worry about this is the read read to the, to the democratic world. how can this thing happen as like, i'm not the political video. he's not the street this. this is that you manage everything. i don't know what he's doing, crossword thomas. so let me older goodness. let me ask you before, before we let you go, um if your daughter, if it's possible that your daughter sees this will, but um, you know, and, and she can see what would you want to be the message to send to her.
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and i want to tell you that you shouldn't be strong as you are. i love you everybody. you love you. there's all your friends here. are everybody like really miss you love you and want you back in that our blaze? nope. nope. lets do parents like everybody just know you in love, you love waiting for you. well, we really, really want to send you involved and all the other prisoners you're not supposed to be award prison and you're not supposed to be here. i hope for you that you're going to see your family soon to mash along. joining us tonight from to the era in israel and tell me i'm sure that there are
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a lot of people who are wishing you and your daughter and your family all the best tonight. thank you for sharing your story with us. thank you. well, i'm going to go now to gerald fires, dan, he's a former us ambassador and an expert on counter terrorism at the middle east institute in washington. he joins us from philadelphia. it's good to have you with us. i hope i got your the pronunciation of your last name. i'm correct sir. if not please of correct me and forgive me. they are on that. very good. thank you. ok, there are reports that hamas is threatening to kill some hostages. if israel continues to bomb civilian buildings and gaza, how serious are these threats? well, i think that they should be taken very seriously. i think that how my sees uh,
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holding hostages to be a, uh, an important advantage that it has over uh, the as rarely as right now. uh, in terms of limiting uh israel's freedom of action. uh to respond to what happened on saturday. so uh, so these kinds of threats that you should, you should assume that, that they would be willing to carry them out. uh, if uh, if israel continues with its military response of what strategy is, how mos pursuing its attack on is real me. there are reports that it's prepared to talk about the possible truths now. well, i think that this is a, again, i mean, this is a very typical kind of, of scenario between the israelis and hom. us. of course, the scale of this is, is usually different from what we've seen in the past, but about how mosse would like to take advantage of this surprise
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in israel and the disarray of israel in order to achieve some, some tangible result going forward. whether that's the release of a palestinian prisoners or, or other kinds of things that of course, all of this also has a domestic kind of a standing in context. in the sense that how much would demonstrate an ability to achieve results that the palestinian authority couldn't achieve. you know, there are calls across the political spectrum tonight. it is real for the military to go into jobs or, and to completely annihilate her moss. is that a realistic option at this moment considering the fact that we're talking about maybe as many as a 150 is really hostages. they are in the territory, you know? yeah, you can't, you can't eliminate
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a group like come associates rallies. we're able to eliminate from us, they would have done it a long time ago. the reality is that her mazda is imbedded in the population, and uh, as much damage and destruction is as real, can do. they can't eradicate uh, movement like that. i think uh again, you know that there is no military solution to this. i can understand why these ro is, would want to talk about this. but really, um, the only way that we're ever going to change the reality on the ground is by negotiation and compromise. we so far have not had any word on a ground incursion by the israeli military. i mean, do you expect that to change to expect that to, to, to be forthcoming or do you think exactly what you said that the powers that be
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realized that negotiations are the only way here now as well? unfortunately, i think that rational thinking is in the top of the agenda right now in either israel or the palestinian territories. each side is operating on the basis of emotion on the basis of, of how it, it proceeds, the current situation of the, the, the question about the g o. c h is going to be afterwards. i'm afraid that we're going to say a continuation of military action for some time to come. i certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility of a ground incursion. and what about these reports that we've had today of an israel and possibly hezbollah exchanging fire in the north? there with the border with 11 on. how worried are you about this becoming a 2 front conflict?
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i think that his bon would certainly like to um, uh, to demonstrate that it is supporting him. uh, so it is a partner part of the entire uh, confrontation with israel. uh but uh, i guess the law leadership has generally been cautious and i think that they understand that the is really a response would be harsh and swift jo appliance being from the middle east institute in washington. we appreciate your time and your valuable analysis tonight . thank you. thank you. you've been secretary general antonio cherish has condemned to the mos attacks on israel, saying that there is no justification for acts of terror. the un chief also raised concerns about the report, the death toll in gauze it from israel's retaliatory strikes. i recognize the
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legitimate grievances of the palestinian people as but nothing can justify these acts of terror and the killing may mean a deduction of celia's. i right to raise my call to immediately seize these effects and release. all last touches in the face of these unprecedented effects is rarely have strikes if bound. they've got so deeply alarmed by the parts of over $500.00 policy unions, including women and children, killed in gaza and over city 1000 injured. unfortunately, these numbers are rising by the minutes as use it alley, or perturbations continue. while i recognize israel as legitimate security concerns, i also do you mind israel, that communities for pricing is, must be called back to the district, the card business with international humanitarian law. all right, i want to go now and to our special correspondent all you abraham. she is in washington tonight. i a, it's obvious that the un boss of there,
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but he knows he's dealing with a pallet or tag in the middle east. what more does he have to say about this, this tenuous situation? well, i think if we can say something about antonio gutierrez's statements, today's but he was trying to strike a balance in the conversation on the one hand. he certainly a condemn the actions by him us, which is a group that is designated as a tear organization by the us, the you and germany, as well as other saying that there's no justification for the brutality and the horrors that we seen unfold over the past. 2 days, whether that's the kidnapping of women and children, or the indiscriminate chewing of the civilians. on the other hand, he also was very cautious and warned against what could happen to civilians in gaza . uh, you know, urging is really off the words and reminding them that any kind.

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