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tv   Close up  Deutsche Welle  October 10, 2023 2:15pm-2:45pm CEST

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it's after i stand off between mazda militants and the is really military survivors have been talking about what happened when the militants infiltrated their community. they faced us and escaped at 400 people who witnessed the mastercard berry keyboard, sneered garza in bunk cuz of the constant fight you wish or must have shown if is there anything you need or can i help you with anything? this volunteer asks yes, giving back my keyboard. the woman says, give me back my meredith friends. the army, let them die. in the middle of israel. saw all the killers struck on saturday morning. they caps at the moments when they looted kidnapped and random, it killed people. anyone who went outside was killed immediately. those to state inside have gun since screens, things to work on. and of course they slowed us,
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executed us. there was so many of them with such heavy weapons, and we were trapped in the bunker microway but didn't know what was going on on the side were on the head. what's up the silver, vin and what events? minimal watch up. the hotel in angle kicked by the did see fall from the place they were ones called home psychologists and emotions that teams try to distract these people from the atrocities they've experienced, at least for a few moments. and at some point we were rescued still under fire. my kids were so brave. we had to cover their eyes because we stepped over bodies on our way out. now we're thinking about how to bury the dead on it. these are the whole families have been wiped out. there are kids who have lost their parents and parents who have lost their children. something in us has been broken and i don't know how we can ever recover from this. the volunteers brought these donations,
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but no one saw any officials or government representative. they feel neglected 1st by the army. now by the state. left alone in fear said okay, when you sit in a bunker for 68 hours and block the door with just your hand until it turns blue. you change your hand, you just have a baseball bat. your son tells you if a breach hit them. so that's not the life i want to live. zillow, but they were life lucky and they must be strong now, for each other. since saturdays attack, israel has declared war on a moss and bound to destroy its ability to govern and gaza. the militant palestinian is on this group is considered a terrorist organization by the you and the us among others, just more on what most represents the kansas street where the is rainy defense forces have been striking targets belonging to the militant islam is thomas and
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palestinian islamic do you have groups? it's from this densely populated enclave line between israel, egypt and the mediterranean sea. that promise has for years launched rockets into israel. the group has governed the over 2000000 residents in gaza since 2007. since then, gaza has been seen as enemy territory by israel, and has remained largely sealed off these rail controls, accessed by land, sea, and air. the militant islam is group rejects any piece process with this row and coons for each disruption. the thomas is designated a terrorist group by israel, the united states, the u on the united kingdom, among other countries. thomas is part of a regional alliance that includes iran,
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syria, and the is limits. the organization has block in lab and on which opposes us policies towards them. at least in these route, the you and other countries have deemed has by a terrorist organization. how much has carried i'd attacks on israel, which have led to 4 major military conflicts with the israeli army in 2008, 200920122014 of 2021 says warrant that this latest wave of attacks are just the beginning and cold on other groups to join the fight. let's virginia now your hilton on. he is director of the international crisis groups, middle east and north africa program. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate your time on israel has one of the most advanced intelligence and air defense networks in the world that leads the gaping question. how was mos able to
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plan this attack without israel picking it up? it's a good question and i think i'm as everyone in this role is asking the same question to ask me to say leadership leadership or asking each other and know long, right. know that i've heard has as it is given an answer to it. so you could also failure some with a catastrophic failure of intelligence and also military preparedness. a sort of, you know, similar to what happened 50 years ago. the actually certainly treat your type of war the but with egypt and syria attacked israel the but, but in the larger scheme of things, you could say that there was also a search and complacency, a match hubris on these really side. and it is really so saying this, i'm just quoting here about how they saw disrupt from the city. it's even from
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how mass, because even know sort of a go that far away from a and, and you know, brought it down to which these or at least as is what i always like to call it. they moved to grass in augusta so that they could, they would, how much would need time to rebuild. but it seems to come, us has used it much longer periods to build up in our snow and the capability. so the passage used and that it just use no. so then i mean, that leads me to my next question because this attack was really unprecedented and it's sophistication for him off. what does it reveal to you when you look at this as an analyst? about how mosse that we maybe didn't know before and what could it potentially mean going forward. now, the 1st of all, we have to extend its capacity lives in an environment where it has popular support . it is not a some kind of implant. uh, you know, it is indigenous to the guys
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a strip and it's people suffer like the guns population does genuine d. uh, but within that and it was in texas and where are they able to, to build the military system. that is, of course a and then search in groups military system. it doesn't, it's not equivalent to the is rating military and eventually is really military with, with this battle. but uh, but still it was, it's a formidable insurgence capabilities that you weren't able to build. they receive 1000 help for sure. they received a sophisticated technology for, for rockets, for some of their workers, which they have shown already a fully rub um they've received funding from upsets as well. so all of that enabled to, but most of all they have as the exhibits. it's a remarkable degree to turn this in that story differently. and it must have done,
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they must have done it also with their traditional insurgents way, which is to sort of sales and have no uh, share knowledge about the overall operation of the sales. okay. and i mean, you know, they must have anticipated a crushing response from, from israel. you've highlighted that israel has, by far the superior military capacity. what do you think them that they were hoping to realistically get out of this attack? so they wanted to get something out of it as it didn't get out of the less 6 rounds of conflict and gaza. since i'm us, well, the elections in 2006 and this rather both siege on the territory. a complete siege for the last 17 years. each time there was a war with israel. how about the last? each time there was massive just or just very in degrees of destruction. but the, increasing the massive uh, as the population is desperate. so the situation has become utterly clearly
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unsustainable. so just the time as once for me, it is it transformative events. this is what they're seeking. what are they will succeed is not 30 different question, but they are basically going for grow and they want to draw israel into gaza to have the, you know, had to have come back to a street street fighting from house to house. and 2 or 6 major casualties. so there's really sides in addition to the hostages that are written, holding. and that that, that was done during the world's attention to the conflict is such a way that they say ok, the situation is indeed sustainable. or we need to find a different way for those. well, where joshua is, is kept as an open and prisoner as it has been for the last 70 years. if, if that does indeed end up transpiring. and i'm going to see, you know, israel moving into gaza and in a, in a ground incursion. what is israel's then most realistic ends?
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again, because it does not seem to have many good options in gauze or any good options for that matter. so yeah, so, so do understand the question i must have a have a, have an end game in mind, but it may not the cheese that the objectives of the software itself is robust called of cars. doesn't have an game in mind. the digits at least, will search a date and of course this market where the heads are coming together and trying to figure out what, what they can retrieve from this. um, but i think right now i just sent them. i just want to research is there's, there's the range of these really sort of in a sense of having to be caught out that being cut out vulnerable. and the 2nd part of the whole is really approach towards the world. so i think they, they, they, there's an adders, of course, a 150, or we don't know, the exact number is where the hostages in a gotcha. and as well, was to get them back to life. so all of that makes word for it is very complex,
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complicated picture in terms of what needs to be done. and i think it's really too early to talk about the sensible. and again, i think at this point, there are near objectives. that is what i want to achieve and it's put them all its resources on that, whether it's doing it the right way. or there's over reacting. i can tell yes. oh, that's probably true. and so therefore also shape the outcome. but right now it is about to use the short term objectives, use hilton, and then uh, from the international crisis group. thank you so much for joining us with that analysis. we appreciate it. thank you. and terrace, and long story is making headlines. the driver of a car that rammed into china's consulate in san francisco has been shot dead by police after a confrontation. china is foreign ministry said that the motorists tried to hurt
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visitors and consul it staff police are investigating the incident of robert f. kennedy junior has launched a bid to become president as an independent candidate, the anti vaccine conspiracy theorist and nephew, a former president john f kennedy, had been running for the democratic nomination. analysts say that he could take crucial votes from president joe biden, and donald trump in an expected rematch. voters are going to the polls in liberia from legislative and presidential elections. former football star george way is seeking a 2nd term, an office, with 19 challengers. a runoff boat is likely poverty and widespread unemployment are among voters chief concerns. there have been clashes between riot police and protesters added indigenous march. indeed, shall they in capitals, santiago, police used water cannon and tear gas the demonstrators through objects that them
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the indigenous activists say that agriculture and forestry are increasingly threatening their lands. and the state is failing to protect their rights. the council of europe has ordered its top prize to jail turkish philanthropist osmond. paula. he was arrested 6 years ago and serving a life sentence for allegedly trying to topple the government. the council of europe recognized kabbalah for his support of civil society groups. his wife accepted the award on his behalf with uh, moving onto afghanistan. now where bodies are still being recovered. following saturdays, earthquake near the western city of herat. reliable numbers are hard to come by, but more than 2000 depths have been reported. officials believe that there are more victims beneath the rubble. the 6.3 magnitude quake hit a densely populated area and was followed by a series of powerful aftershocks. enough got us done, send a john district. the quick response is a community efforts to get the,
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the big mass grades to battery that, that together, they come through the rubble. although at this point there, i'm likely to find survivors. and to get the same on many homes in these rural parts of afghanistan and the meat of mud bricks, making them phone rouble to a possible squeak, cash kept the village was instantly flattened the deck one again, i was sitting in a house and young goes for playing as i ever that one was on neighbors and one was mind everything. and suddenly the do not smoke and debris hit me from above, like a re, you know, hell falling on us. and we got buried under the sun. i had to go to fedex. my head was hot, my daughter was crying, but i didn't. i wanted the brothers to take out, but no one was listening with my contact as of the she died. my other daughter was
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missing the gate. now we're going to find him and they put on at one of the few hospitals in the quick hit area, some of the wounded abroad and no more that. so i don't know anything about my mother, my daughter and my son, whether they are dead or alive. for me to leave the family members, including my son, most people are under the rubble survivors and now need basic supplies, like shelter, food and medicine. at a time when i scan, it stands already facing a humanitarian crisis. a global response has been slow with many countries and organizations reluctant to deal directly with the taliban government. fears are growing about the fate of dozens of people, abducted by him. aust militants on saturday is real denies media reports of negotiations to secure their release in exchange for palestinians and is really jails. many of the hostages were seized at an outdoor music festival. near the gaza
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strip. hundreds of bodies had been recovered from the site. are the scenes of terror at a rave and the desert, how most terrorists, open fire on the crowds and chase people down. taking hostages. one woman said she hid in a centers grove to stay a lot for me. and they were just all around me and they were going 3 by 3 and shooting anywhere from 2 sides. and there's so many people like people were dying like all around this video shows a terrified young woman driven away on a motorbike by fighters. while her partner is marched away because of his hands tied behind his back to the aftermath, hundreds of dead bodies charged vehicles along the road. a few were lucky.
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this footage purportedly shows a hostage rescue is rarely forces freeing people after a fierce gun battle with him. us foreign nationals were also taken. one hostages mother made an appeal from germany. we were sent a video in which i clearly recognized my daughter. she said, unconscious in a car with the palestinians who drove along the got this trip. i am asking for any news or help to please be sent to us in june. the diplomatic efforts are underway to a range or humanitarian quarter to evacuate women children, and elderly hostages. but for now, relatives can only watch and wait. and earlier we spoke with rouse, ga star, who was a manager of several acts who were performing at that festival. he witnessed the attack 1st hand, as it unfolded my colleague,
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pencil and spoke with him earlier about what he experienced a lot of money, the tax started or in just on the me. so i was flying everyone. this is our starting for us 6 30 in the morning on the bottom and all honda told me, cells and most of flying from every well this is all it all started for us. it was a huge attack and so many lives. last. how did you manage to get away by us to get away is when started the bottom, the bottom of the call. so we'd walk through the flow and we cover it all as trying to define show that was most of the while we were so the side or 5 minutes, we were in the car, driving as fast as we can outside of the venue inside of the festival. venue to
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safety as fast as we can. luckily, we managed to go out to one or 2 minutes before other people started to get shot. and what happened once we got out once we go out of lucky idle west and not the law instead of the weather was on the ship by the by just those. and we go west and that will save us. we glow me and another was 80 and all these we drove as fast as we can feel free to ask another shelter where we have another all these form for us and mexico we were worried about then we'd be able to realize that that's will say this but we will have to get to then they will the alone in the, in the seeing the house and officer escaping you. still managed to help out of the lives to escape. it is always we need to be the one to do, you know,
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taking care of the cloth and the government to do all the work. but we need the support is what we are the one the trying the starting to get all the messages from the beeping on site and putting us forehead. there was made on the line of communication directly to the, to the army, the to was busy fighting the fellows flung they should. so they were quoting us, of the people that they know and other people, including us being best messages from other people, the locations. and the reason why we are doing, since that's moment i did all of them. and rather than many of the neighboring deals, we open just in groups and we have those and we're sending have and how i'm trying to find each and every person. i you still looking for people you still do? you still have friends who are missing? yeah, we stayed on the funds that the they are missing,
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we don't know what happened with them and all these we already not sleeping for for the nights, for 3 days. and we are just looking for any information for our last last, this is the importance of the community with all the community came together about it and deals. and many, many people came together. and every day they are sitting 247 and on the floor from just looking for more and more information and to get any info on each and every one of our funding bills. feed me. this is the important mission at the moment. the process is the last lot recap. can you tell me more about security at the festival? it's lots of data. i can tell you, i know thought of the full duction in of course it was for license event. these police on site is for security. the 3rd, but it was licensed and consumed by the government and by all
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the all the police and fire department because the full legalized. what's also interesting is that they changed the location of the festival at the last minute. this is also not something that you know, i can talk about. again, i'm a part of the production island. how do you manage it? so this is not something that i can talk about. oh no, i really my are is the production. luckily myers to save and get of each and every international law. these include in gem analogies. we might have to get all of them in, out of book sales and honest agents. you might have to get faster all of them out. and now all of them are already out of the fontes out, anyhow. out of all how many, how many people would you say you manage to say if you will help save on that, that we might have to save
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a lot because our plans on field to the and the falls is on the field. the and they were listening to the locations that we send, and we managed to save by the so many people sending data occasions that they send us hiding form the always they send it to us in every way possible. and we will send our people in our fall, so one by one, by gps locations, the last few people that you cover them. and how are you doing, how you coping of to what you saw on for what you experience and your escape? or actually there was no time to, to really sit down and you know, thank you and everything that happened because of the moment, real, speeding induced by situation we have city know, all situation and the moment, as i mentioned before for us, there's people that know the people that the phone missing and part of the
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community for us being folders now used to keep working and keep trying to find each and every both. and we can, we know about people that can survive 2 or 3 days without food on site. so we speed up the for the whole day, 5 speed our plans, at least any of them will bring any info back to the family. this is our, our mission. and we have so many people now that's not working, but it will be on the for the and that was music manager rouse, guster that they are speaking about. his experience is that the music festival in southern israel, attacked by him off the terrorist on saturday. now the developments in israel has overshadow 2 days of government consultations between france and germany, french president, emmanuel, my call, and german chancellor. all our shots expressed solidarity with his rail. stressing that it has the right to to defend itself against the attacks launched from gauze up. let's hear more detail on what the german chancellor had to say. you will
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agreed that the bomb dynamic attacks of the terrorist against is really civilians to be condemned. in the strongest times we join, please stand by israel. we own agree as well that it is, is, was rights to defend itself against these despicable attacks. and at the same time, it is important to avoid defer the regional escalation to that, and we are in close contact with many countries of this region. steve w, chief, political editor of michelle. the customer was at the franco german consultations in hamburg. she sent us this assessment item taught so last hold on french president, model of my call the parts here from the to day political retreat and humbug. both sides condemned the actions of the service organization, how mazda and once again reiterated the full support for israel. at the same time
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is they won't rule out that ron might have been involved, that sport french president mano, mccall said, but he said he wouldn't say anything more concrete until there was actual proof. both in its own statements with due by the us present. also with the tale and on bridges, prime ministers once again backed israel, but also stressed that the palestinian people have rights to their own existence. it also throwing that commitment once again behind the 2 states seducing. and that was our chief political editor, michelle cook. now in brussels, conflicting statements from top officials have created in over whether the you will continue to development, send development aid to the palestinians. that's bringing dw is louisa shoes chilton, who is following the story for us from brussel. so what is going on with the use messaging right now? see how it all started yesterday. there's a post on fix,
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formerly known as twitter, by one of the you commission is saying that all payments must immediately suspend it. and the said he was referring to the development a portfolio he was saying himself. but in the meantime that you commission this another commission. i'm a kid that humanitarian 8 is not comprised in this in any case. and that too many terry and 8 will continue to as into a quote to the continue as long as needed. and then the new commission has also issued on statement, clarifying that what is happening right now is review for the development 8. and in this review, the humanitarian 8, which is another block of money is not comprised. so you many tiring 8 seems to be continuously flowing button at the same time that having a look at the development age. but they also saying at the commission, spokes person just confirmed this right now that until this review is done,
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that will be the old payments will be made. the practical consequences seem to be relatively slow. because they also said that right now there are no point payments for seen to give you a little bit of a scale of what we're talking about. the european union has been paying last year around 600000000 euros to people in the palestinian territories. so you kind of can put this a bit into context and you, foreign ministers are gathering later today over the crisis. what, what are we expecting from that meeting? says so we would have expected them and raised to expect them to talk about this issue before the you commission goes out with these kinds of statements under this . can you hear that the can you member states will discuss this. we have already heard from a to use member states in germany and austria that there suspending development 8. there are other states which are a bit more critical of these kind of moves. so you can expect them to discuss that
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. but then also if you use high representative, the chief diploma, joseph burrell said that he had invited the top did permits from israel and the palestinian authority. so that will need to, if there follow this, we have for of course a to see. and they will meet later this afternoon. the w is lucio shelton and brussels. thank you. so the attack by hum austin israel's response, have inflamed emotions around the world. here's, we'll look at some of the places where the conflict has brought people onto the streets. please on both sides in new york city, supporters of israel and the palestinians just meet there's a part released lined up trying to keep the opposing sites separated. the
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could not do. but we have right now, we were made to be subject to the impression of the occupations with the man, similar themes in london at the group, but as the new rally protest us holding hands to express solid data d for the cause. that's why i couldn't have eyes. my voice was the loss of the world we want. please we want to do is to get the we don't want to keep this all the enough enough enough to do things got heated the.

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