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tv   Close up  Deutsche Welle  October 11, 2023 9:30am-10:01am CEST

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civilians gone down in their homes and on the streets. israel has stepped up a sprites on gaza and disposed to be preparing for a ground offensive on the territory. keep it here and d, w because we're staying on that coverage showing at the top of the next hour. if you can buy the the, the attack on the north stream pipelines wasn't an attack on germany. that's a, it's an attack of historic dimensions. if this inconspicuous ceiling not really have something to do with it, the divers blow up the pipeline to find out,
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we even plumb the depths of the baltic sea most certainly being watched the clues lead us to ukraine, where we track down suspects. are you kidding me? it's the kind of attack they could have triggered away. and it's one of the biggest mysteries of our times around the world. people are asking who could have done this? [000:00:00;00] the we're on our way to the crime scene. 120 kilometers off the german coast. we plan to die to the spots where the explosion took place and see for ourselves
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a good just a few divers have carried out this attack of historic dimensions. we've chartered a dive boat and a professional crew to find out as of isn't yet. so we're right at the spot where the 1st attack took place on north stream to southeast at bonham. the as i'm starting to see it is the 5 this red arrow is where we are now. if you zoom in here, you can see this dotted line, that's the pipeline. we soon realize that nothing goes unnoticed and the baltic, sea military vessels, petrol. these waters constantly the world major powers, keep a close eye on one another. here. remember that must be the russian warship back there that we heard about which means are
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most certainly being watched here the, the scene of the crime, it lies more than 70 meters below the water surface. that's why we brought along professional divers course specially trained for deep sea tides. for the pick up, i've been trying to convince myself that just a normal dive. but i haven't quite succeeded because each diver is carrying around 100 kilos worth of equipment for deep sea tides. they need a special gas mixture composed of oxygen, helium, and nitrogen. a year after the attacks german investigators most promising theory sounds incredible. this spectacular, active sabotage was carried out with the help of a sail boat in germany. the investigations are top secret at 1st. not even
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a dozen officials were brief on the details of the investigation. still we are a team from a r d dot u n. d type newspapers, along with international partners, managed to find a few answers. the germany's federal chancellor. it is home to a special tax proof room. only those with the highest security clearance can enter it. it's here that the heads of germany, secret service provide government leaders with reports on terrorism wars and espionage. and it was in this route where not long after the attacks, a tip from the dutch intelligence and security surface came to light. it claimed that a special forces commando from ukraine blew up the pipelines and the bombers had used
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a boat which had departed from germany's baltic sea coast. the search began the we were able to find out that the german investigators had been able to identify the suspect yacht and we were the 1st to report on it. and here it is. the andromeda, the vessel is the german investigators hottest lead to date. a good 15 meters in length. the odd sleeps 10 in 5 cabins. but what connects the boat to the north stream, blast investigator, se traces of the same explosive secured at the crime scene were found inside being drama to here's the reconstruction of events. on september 6th, 2022, a group of 6 people are thought to have kicked off the operation and ross talk. 5
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witnesses reports. seeing a white van arrived at the cities who are due to marina, they are. the crew boarded the yacht and set sail. witnesses say that 5 men and one woman were on board. some of them are likely divers, the i didn't know, see it happens, smoke screen, find some slides, and these are the extent that called most being in casa, in spanish, for possible explosions in the area. whether leaks were upset at 2 o 3 am, an explosion was detected in pipe bay of north stream to south east of the danish island of bourne home. exactly 17 hours later,
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3 more explosions were measured. just the seconds of part. the blasts were so strong that they were registered by far away sized monitors. 3 days later, another link was discovered in north stream to north stream one was rendered completely inoperable. just one type of north stream 2 remains intact. investigations have been launched in germany, sweden, denmark, poland, and russia. in germany, the public prosecutor general is heading the proceedings. the ledger defenses include anti and constitutional sabotage tests itself. you can find on check from this time, at any rate. it's an attack of historic dimensions because it was all targeted against the countries infrastructure that has glaring and very far reaching after effects. so we really ought to speak of this as an historic break question. it's
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the kind of attack that in past environments could have triggered a wide range in war. there are many possible culprits and motives for the attack because internationally, few projects where it's contentious as north street championed by 2 friends, rushes, let americans and former german chancellor. gerhard schroeder, or via below these, this guy, we need this gas and it's the most economical way to get it. and then everyone who deals with the energy policy knows that 50 biased us oh, this cheap gas blow directly from the board, russian to lou meet in germany. a distance of over 1200 kilometers. the pipeline right through the baltic was a kick in the teeth for eastern european countries who long earned good money from the pipelines running through their territories. skip this one, i'm sorry, you crying was skeptical right from the start as it for so exactly,
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walsh. in fact, what happened now, i made this bypassing of ukraine and other countries like poland, which also sold the risks. and because they themselves had pipeline systems which supply gas to western europe time. and again, the us also criticized the north stream project. nordstrom, to which simply give russia an opportunity to put more of a stranglehold on ukraine and ukraine's economy during this time of tension. and so we were very much against it for geo political purposes. shortly before russia invaded ukraine, us president joe biden threatened to put a stop to the pipeline. if a rushing vase, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of the crate again, then there will be no longer north steam to we. we will figure that
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following the attacks. this highly politicized environment led to the proliferation of various theories. a prominent one comes from seymour hersh. how america took out the north stream pipeline. are the famous us journalist says he's uncovered evidence that the us did us. maybe divers planted the explosives under the cover of a needle exercise hearse claims. his theory has found a ready audience. some believe the us is capable of anything, but most experts don't the credibility of purchase claims. they note his story is based on just one anonymous source and that some of the details are provably false . the others do the research focus on another major power, the military expect and hot,
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and that's 2 of us trying to reach the best time is a g. u. i saw a lot of experts say russia those who believe russia was behind the sabotage, mainly pointed to the movements of russian ships which they view a suspicious ship from russia is said to have been positioned very close to the sides of the attack. just days before the explosions occurred, the what is bad enough to presume that russia also planted the explosives, possibly even employing mini submarines. german investigators also analyzed the satellite images to see if there's anything behind the suspicions. but to date, they say they've seen no proof. the attack was carried out by russian ships. so the german investigators continued to concentrate on the ceiling and trying to
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reconstruct its route. the after setting sail from wellstar. the electorate secretaries are thought to have made stops at vic on the island of including the danish islands of bourne hall and christie on zillow and columbia. in poland. and we discover the andromeda evidently dropped anchor at some time sweetening too. did anyone see the crew? we aimed to find out and track down one witness the this german yachts man says he met the enrollment as crew. there were 2 men standing there with short hair . military, i'd say really short like buzz cuts, boots and a woman in the background down in a brunette. i saw 6 people in total, but they were partly below deck 6. what do you find with that their, their age?
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much younger than i am or 40 or so nobody was really young. defined kind of guns to then incent home harbor tossed important observed something that quickly needed attention. a 3rd boat needed help ducking, but the legit bombers didn't nothing does he even help kind of understood and they made no effort whatsoever to help get a seat. i got spent who sees something like that gets off his boat and helps. but they didn't do that, they just stood on the boat and watched. after that, i approached them and tried to explain that that's not what you do. how did they read that one translated for the other into an eastern european language. i didn't understand the electric bombers didn't just raise eyebrows in sweden and columbia to the harbor. master remembers the crew arrived in the afternoon and the next morning they cast off again this language, german,
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but the accents were eastern european. that's what caught my attention and why i called the border guards. the polish public prosecutor's office confirmed to us that the enrollment was here and that its crew was checked out. the german investigators figure there's even video footage of the crew in the harbor. but poland has yet to provide them with any images. clearly, cooperation is lacking. the we meet with the public security of state, responsible for coordinating the country security and intelligence services. he suspects the russians are behind the attacks and isn't convinced by germany's findings and money. we're convinced that there weren't any explosives or explosive materials on this. you want to blow, nordstrom 2 or one up with that means this operation is unit, had nothing to do with those incidents. going up to that. oh, but as far as i know,
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they were just people who wanted to enjoy themselves and stuff that they have this trip out of purely terroristic character or something. there was no one on it to add even the slightest military or sabotage related training. john. yeah, i'm your product isn't and some of those of him. how critical is it that the and drama was chartered by ordinary tourists? because fig passports were clearly used to rent the yacht. we know that a romanian and apple gary and passports were presented. the bulgarian passport was made out in the name of the kind of pope of german investigators figure this as an assumed name. apparently the skipper of the yacht used this ford passport. another passport was issued to a man with a common romanian name. the photo was clearly exchanged for another the investigators believe the man who really is depicted in this photo is named of
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a larry k. he's thought to hell from ukraine. the photos on social media show him in uniform adding to the controversy. a good this mean a ukrainian soldier took part in the attack. and if so, whose orders was the following? germany's public prosecutor made reference to valeri kay. in a closed meeting. we have succeeded an almost certainly identifying a person who and being very cautious now could possibly be an accomplice the we decide to follow the suspects. traces and look for, but larry k and ukraine to ask him, did you have anything to do with the attacks on the north stream pipelines?
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larry case, grandmother suddenly shows up. i think you've not seen him in a while? not for awhile. when was the last time how long ago? probably a year he's in the defense field that he's serving? no. yes. no. and you don't talk to him. you know, only during the real time she calls, he doesn't come home. know is it him? down? yes. you will hard to process right now. he's under pressure from all sides season . i use it for more as a so he's being put down. can you send to ameliorate at least so why is you being pressured like that or something which i don't know it. so yeah, sorry, i don't want to talk further. his family says that, but larry k was on the front when the attacks on the north stream pipelines took
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place. we can't reach him to confirm this in the meantime, larry k, it said to have protested his innocence to his family. could it be? but someone purposely used his identity and that the traces which lead to him were left deliberately. would hardly professional bummer sweep, passport, photos and explosives behind the someone walk the investigators to find these close minded professor in the day. 4 months. jones are to ship my professional experience tells me, or gives me reason to suspect or feel that it's too good to be true. yes, even in order me who's not to tell you where me that the person who comes from ukraine wasn't motivated by a russian secret service officer to leave those red herrings right from the start. piece of mind you. that's purely conjecture. of course we'll, we'll get back what i know,
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what to date. german investigators clearly believe there's no indication this was a false flag operation. but whoever it was, one things clear. it happened here best to another oxygen flow check on that rubber boot according to our so nor device north stream to should be located some 70 meters below our current location as they reached the sea bed. but where is the pipeline? the divers must use extremely bright lights to make out anything at all. it is north stream to
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day but where's the leak? the you are the 1st traces of the explosion. the steel and concrete were simply ripped apart. at the pipe burst, the refund on the pipeline is easy to recognize. it's
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a random meter above the sea floor. the visibility got really bad. all of a sudden the grain was gone and we were at the end of the pipeline. at the exit point. you could really see how the metal was bent outwards at the dive is complicated and risky. the diving team knows the dangers from their daily work. their verdict, planting explosives here would be tough, but possible and the weather were good to come on. a decent co signed or what you could with such a craft. if all else worked, it would be doable. the german investigators have no more doubts either. it could have been done using i got the at the german federal chance during the criminal police office. the b k presents which latest findings about the north stream blasts and the yacht for
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investigators the explosives used were especially significant and analysis determined h m x, also known as oxygen was employed. it's an explosive use almost exclusively in military applications. with this help identify the culprits octo gain is oxygen isn't an explosive. you can just produce a time in your garage pills list to show the explosives typically used in terrorist attacks. the ones that can be made from common chemicals by yet oxygen is a relative the complex synthesis because and teases the size. that means the terrace to blow up the pipeline must have sourced it from somewhere for the hop top . now pieces of the mingled pipeline light spread over hundreds of meters on the sea floor. the magnitude of the devastation res, doubts in the press as to whether an ordinary ceiling yacht could have a weak such habit. we've been
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modeling them both my colleagues in germany and in california and what, how much would we actually need of the explosive sion to produce what we're seeing in the data we are saying now that you definitely need less than 50 key lowes of explosives to produce the pattern that we're observing it's also findings like these bit of let the andromeda to remain the german investigators hottest lead. so they followed the clues pertaining to the way it was rented. the the yacht was booked via email. the german investigators believed this e mail was also sent by a man from ukraine. we decide to follow the money,
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hoping it will lead us to the culprits. the yacht rental was paid for by a company based in warsaw. this is worth 50. i live over a firm that extensively makes its money from tourism should be located. officially, the firm is headed by 2 women. but according to our research, they're likely just acting as fronts. we find evidence of a man who is possibly behind the company. his name, ruth stem a. he's ukranian and does business with the ukranian government, or is he really the head of the company that rented the and drama to the we suspect that we're stem a as in kia or team from a r d and su deutscher. indeed, site newspapers try to speak with him. the re stem a lives in
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a neighborhood with tight security. we wait for the entrance to his courtyard until he appears. hi, can i have 5 minutes of your time? are you kidding me? the does re stem a have something to do with the attacks on north stream. he did, he left the payment for the rental run through his company. the clues are increasingly leading to ukraine. will they end there? and if they do, was the bombing a private operation, or what the ukranian state involved in some way, the 3 months before the explosions, the bnb, germany's for an intelligent service, was warned by the netherlands, that an attack on north stream had been planned back in june after the attacks, this warning finally reached the chancellor's office. in hindsight, it looks like
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a prophecy. the warning mentioned a boat and fig passports and the general, but larry's allusion. a commander in chief of ukraine's armed forces was said to be involved apparently the c i a was aware of the plan to attack and warranty trained against it, saying, if you're planning something dumped, did ukraine do it any way and launch an attack on germany's gas supply for the german government. any evidence of ukrainian involvement is sensitive because it's germany supports ukraine with weapons and billions of yours, and it's more with russia that. but why would ukraine take such a risk? especially in the middle of a war. the ukrainian government didn't answer our questions, but the president himself has publicly denied his country, had any involvement in the sabotage. ok,
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so it wasn't ukraine. people only assert that to slow down a to us, the more that will great. since the german government won't comment on potential culprits, the vice chancellor says everything is still too vague. been shut off. if it turns out that ukraine digit will, they still be more weapons deliveries is really, i don't want to speculate on that and i'm not allowed to either. that's for the public prosecutor to clear out. the german chancellor lock shorts declined interview requests and didn't apply to written requests. a year on investigators are still looking for the saboteurs who bombed the north stream pipelines and those who ordered them to do it. that remains a case against persons unknown. what is known is that the and drama to return to
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russ talking a little more than 2 weeks after it, but the sea and the electorate saboteurs simply vanished. they didn't even come to collect their security deposit of several 1000 bureaus. there are clues which points to people from ukraine, yet it remains far from clear who set sail on the andromeda in september 2022. and what really happened on board and on the sea for many countries and individuals had a motive to blow up the north stream pipelines. but the search continues
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