space for them or leave it there for the time being to claim a injured or some. thank you very much for that. and for more analysis on the consequences of these conflict, we have used them on joining us. he's director of the middle east and north africa program at the international crisis. proof of research and advocacy organizer from the fax to prevent conflict. welcome back to the document to have different what do you make of israel's response sofa as well? um, it is uh, not surprising that uh is well, is responding in the way that it is now, which is massively because it has always responded to uh, how much brokers or tax uh, which we saw in the past. mostly, uh, in this way, uh massively, by destroying the buildings and uh, you know, going all out at the gaza strip. i know this time they have additional reason because of the nature of the mass attack on such a day, which was horrific. and as,

as cost me more is way because of casualties than ever before. and, and so a prime minister netanyahu is already set, we're going to flash at the strip. the other is when he spoke to people who have have made similar comments about it said they will give no fodder as solely in violation of international law. but i, i expect that that as well will go all out and even more than in the past. but i was, i don't see is what the game is because in the ends, what do you have? you have a destroyed cause a strip. you have people without homes, but you may have defeated the last. but who, who done rules to face? are you going to react you by going to do it yourself? this is not really an option for as well. can i just dig deeper on when you say is around? when go all out, what do you mean? what is around exactly? do i were talking about ground invasion, followed by occupation. what are we talking about?

and so i don't know what is we'll do, but it's, but i can tell you that if it does what i think it will do and that would be the consequences. so if, if there is going to be a grudge evasion, and all the signs are done through will be one of then they will, it will be aimed at ferreting out how much fighters who are currently in hiding. and so mostly on the grow. if that happened, do those fights will come out and there will be, how's the, how's the combat that will actually destroy it? whatever is still standing today, and it will be nothing left in those parts of the it goes this trip with a project will take place. i don't know if it'll be the entire step in the end. people, as your correspondence said, i have nowhere to go. actually know where to go. so it's almost, i take that into account it's, it's, we'll have to find that somehow in a, in a, in a smaller part of the script as it is. so i can decide if i just find and find the so list punches,

but it's very hard to imagine that it will be much left standing when they're done with the ground evasion. and then yes, the question is will they leave again, these really trumps or will they state and take care of this population which is done? somebody without is protector and, and governor. right. uh and um, you know what to do? you know, we're talking about the, what is the, could potentially do. and at the same time, you're talking about is rendered, responds to a mazda thought. they've got these rarely establishment completely by surprise. i wonder if you think that any assumptions about from us that these are very difficult to establish fund needs to have a read think about, especially when it contemplates its next course of action. so i'm sure that there's good. there was already a lot of re thinking happening inside as well, about the overall approach. and people, you know, remember to 9073 of total war and as well was caused by surprise. and they say,

they said then we, we can never let this happen again. as sort of me so wasn't how a culture in the end is ready as security establishment about you know, always questioning goal and assumptions, which is a very healthy thing to do right away. but somehow it fell apart in this case. why? because they did seem sciences from us was not planning anything in the near future . they'd still be beacon for the last around to fighting most or long ago. and they were completely preoccupied with the strength of his brother and disorder border and the security of these rich cellphones in the west bank. uh so, um, so it was a failure of imagination. anyway, i do have to ask you about what her moss was thinking or got into the continues to think, what is her mazda is in the game here. attacking is around, which is a strong ministry par. and then uh, almost certainly expecting. and his vendor responds. what does how most think it is

going to achieve and beyond that, what do palestinians gain from this attack by him? us? so it's a good question about the idea and get into the how much they must have one. otherwise, they wouldn't have started this attack. they had to time to think about it. it's not that heavy and gain of in my view because it brings about the destruction of guys and possibly also, or from us as a military, both missing kaiser. but they must have thoughts. we have no opinion for 17 years under a, a tides is really siege where people cannot really leave or goes to the largest open air prison in the world. where, you know, services are not arriving goods are arriving only of a certain kind food emitted medic that and medicines and stuff like that. but otherwise there's a lot of kennels come in. so what can we do after the fact as well? so several times, 5 times in the past and nothing has changed. when he gets worse,

we have to go for broke. we have to go for broke, and that means let them come in. we'll fight them. we will budge, inflicts for the casualties. but thank you for actually the world's will have to recognize that the situation in cost is still sustainable and it's very responsibility. we'll have to leave it there for the time being. but thank you so much for joining us at this time. just to implement from the international crisis group. thank you so much. from us by that and so abducted thousands of hostages including children and the end of the most families have had no one on their faith. one of the many missing is german. is there any citizen shawnee luke? her family has been trying to get help from the government hadn't been in, but they seem abandoned by the german authorities. this is the last picture of sony . look on social media. the 22 year old jem and his really was that this music festivals into a negative desert. when the toner was struck,

they killed at least $260.00 people, then cabinets several of those 2 guys, including shawnee. in this video, she's displayed by the terrorists, unconscious in the back of a pickup truck, a relatives recognize to so data around who lives in gemini sunday morning. we have no life, you know, and we're trying to do the best for this girl on tuesday. assume or off hope shawnee might be in a hospital in garza, the relative say they have received this information from an informant. that's why the bus, that's another clue that points in that direction. and then is that to a credit card was used in a shop next to the hospital. because we've come here from the sending. the family has been trying to get help since sunday. they say they are forwarded to sup enough little help. they feel neglected by piece it's we are really disappointed. we

haven't been able to reach anyone from the phone office from over in 48 hours. they told us to fit in some forms and it would then be dealt with more quickly. stuff gets shanella, sean, he's mother and he's ro, appeals for help. we ask know, we didn't mind the german government act quickly. there shouldn't be any questions about responsibility. they must act quickly to get sony of gaza because it strikes continue to hit the area and the ground defensive may be imminent. we believe that the only one that can help in this moment is only that the german government. that is the hope to keep sony alive strawman his bottom and the abundance dog has held a minute's silence to commemorate the victims of the almost everest attacks in

israel. fluttering his speech by bundle stark, present band of boss and peas from across the political divide rose to their feet to honor the memory of those who lost their lives in the attacks german, federal and president frank published time. my uncle, to pass along with israel's ambassador to germany or on pro so as both of the one does not speak to douglas political correspondent, judas of daily tuna, the german foreign minister. i'm in a bed box at ease where i can count on germany support how far with germany go. so from what we've heard until now, it is about reiterating the fact that germany stands a strongly by israel and that germany supports israel's right to defend itself. that germany is in diplomatic contact with countries in the region, but also with partners across the world to try to make sure that the conflict there does not escalate. those not expand to involve other parts of the middle east.

we've also seen and heard from the german foreign minister that germany is directly involved in trying to rescue the hostages that have been taken from israel to gaza by how much terrorist germany is in direct communication. is working together with israel to try to achieve this. but is also in contact with actors in the region and uh, who have direct communication with homeless. but it's also talking to countries like cotton, her, and other gulf states to try to get them to directly speak to how mazda try to get these hostages out of gaza at germany. also said that it will not stop in another in a bad book. before minister said she believes it is detrimental to stop humanitarian aid to the palestinian territories. she said, but how moss it would play and how mazda is hands to stop to men and terry and aiden that this could lead to an escalation, for example, were homeless to use

a lack of aid. for example, in the west bank to have the escal. uh, the conflict escalates there to turn over to you a cash offer on a data to buy german polity. but is there that's similar to us on the data to being seen in german society. as we have seen demonstrations in support of israel across germany and different german cities. there was one also in berlin, where the attendance was higher than even the organizers expected. we have seen a lot of solidarity and on social media in the public debate here. there also have been some episodes on german streets where people have come out in support of the terrorist organization. how mosque they have celebrated the terrorist attacks by home, us against israel? and we have to remind people that how mazda is a terrorist organization in germany, and that of the interior ministry is now stepping up there looking into anyone who

supports how mosse here in germany there is going to be a crack down on that. judas. so that even leave with that. thanks so much for joining us right now. this is the news coverage on the is there any wall of a time us continues? susan, the

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had been displaced by israel's bombardment. how as officials and gaza report of a 900 palestinians had been killed. these rady armies save it has now launch the regained control of the cause of border way. it's as mass forces. he doesn't expected ground offensive. israel continues to find victims of the most of the tax in the area around gaza. within 1200 is rain. these have been killed. doesn't small have been taken back to gaza as hostages. now how much has a that's a dozens of people, including children and the elderly. some hostages were also taken at an outdoor musical festival close to gaza. gun been shot dead at least 260 people that all the families of some of those at that festival still have no news about their loved ones. they don't know whether they are dead or alive. our correspondent, 10 year cream. i sent us this report. the uncertainty is unbearable since saturday

doesn't tomo shut them, have had no news of that or to a new one. she was at the race next to the boots. the you have the gossip auto and i'm us militants, launch the attack. no i'm uh i was uh, calling the 830 about 8 30 in the morning this saturday and she was friday and crying. and she was like saying there's gone so that we could hear like there is a gunshots around. and now we find some show took place and with a group of people together. and then this things happen here sometimes, you know, like i was telling her no problem. you're in a safe place, work. so the 10 soon and see you in a while. and then she said, ok, i don't have much a battery, so uh, i love you all and then i'm,

i'm afraid i love you all and i don't know what's going to happen. but anyway, i love you all. remember that said to up to several thousands, mainly young party goers. where at the side, saturday morning when rockets felt looms and gunman started to shoot at least 250 people died here. dozens missing. so to be taken to gauze and had hostage by the mid attends 3 days later, toma shalom and his family are still searching. hospitals hoping adulthood wasn't abducted. that was the last time that anyone heard the something from nom and from that time we are kind of in a locked in. this is a sense of sadness and go in uncertainty of what is said to come. as more details emerge from what unfolded on such a day, many is radians have

a hard time to come to terms with the unprecedented attack on is really communities . we have the cause, a strip intel of beef, young adults. he has also been looking for a friend from he was working at the festival. they have known each other since they were teenagers. and then the last contact with him was at 9 21 am. on saturday morning he sent a text message to his mother. and uh, in the text message, he says that he, he loves them his family. um, but he's in a container. there are a lot of terrorist outside, lots of gunshots outside. and it does not seem like they are going to make it out of their live friends and family is going social media for a sign of life that didn't know what had happened to him. but then a text message arrives. and i was just asking

a rums wife last if um, if she can send me one of his pictures. so i can uh so i can send it to you from there winning day. and um and uh, she says that they, they told them no officially, but he's dead. i mean, he's family knows already. he's one of the many killed in this attack. ludy romances that y'all have been has been missing since i'm us attacked uh keyboards in southern israel on saturday. he told us what the family knows about to disappearance. that's of course. thank you, christine for having us. um, as, as you said, my sister and her family alone, her husband and guess and her daughter a 3 year old daughter. and when to their families,

dinner for holiday, for holiday feast and friday evening they stayed the night there. um and woke up on saturdays for this madness um people coming to their home um to the shelter that they have built for their family. um and just pull them out of there and in the house. um or i don't wanna spend money my. my sister's husband um 2 of his parents, his sister as well. um they were taking a different stages. he was the 1st one. um she was got into a car. um he thought that you know then and guess and we're hiding and adobe. okay. yeah. and but after a few minutes, they also were pulled into the same car. and there were all taken together and

towards the border. this is where our story have a little of magic in it. where they found this opportunity to just get out of the car, the car with free terrace armed and they started running. they started running the beginning. they had a chance to run without anyone behind them. um, but then they, they heard the terrorist after that starting to should work by and this is the, this is where, where they, they lost track of each of the way they went in different directions. lurie, as i understand, i'm sparing you on because i do when it gets other aspects of of this is of the story. i have you heard any news? it's been 4 days now since your sister disappeared any indication of her

whereabouts? no. so because there is the spot of where you have the in, in a long got a part, a search and tree where he last saw her. there are teams that are looking in the field of trying to find any track, any sign of, of direction. we hope that maybe she's still hiding somewhere, but we've heard nothing. we know nothing. um. it's an innocent woman, a mother for a 3 year old child that is now here with me that we need to take care of her until her mother will be back. specifically here, and there is also a german citizen. um, so we did, i want to hear also from,

from germany. um to put as much as much pressure to, to know about a citizen of germany. that is, that's missing the unknown. yeah. saturday for larry. um, of course there's a lot of uncertainty. yeah, we saw in my colleague tanya cream is report that we did shortly before talking to for some families. the reality is their relatives have been found and then uses no great because the renaissance had been found dead. i wanted loretta as this is probably a very unfair question to you. but if your sister is being held somewhere in gaza, does that give you a little bit more hope that that, that she is alive and bearing in mind, we don't know what's happening to so the hostages that have been taken into gaza. i think this is why it's so important for us to talk about it and to bring it to the attention of the world. and so everyone will,

will share about those people. so the attackers or keep them safe, they will have them and hold them, but they will keep them safe because they'll know that they're missing just with israel and they're not just messing with these early government. it's not of more of an army, i guess. army innocent people, it could be if it's, if it's going to be a system of terror, this is going to be everywhere. and we hope that the voice of the world will help us keep you then safe, even though she held hostage somewhere. larry, um, we're reporting a lot about this ground defensive that we anticipate the israel will launch into, into the guys, and we've heard from us that they will kill some of the hostages will. they will kill the hostages that they've taken in retaliation. so that does that,

does that worry you, knowing that this is the threat on your sister's life, is indeed she is in, in casa, i must be honest and say that we are, we're interviewing here today because we feel it's very important to, to tell the story and so make the whole world aware, but i'm not much aware of what's going on in the, in the press and what's, what's, what we hear from us because i have a 3 year old to take care. um and i appreciate that. i don't want to i, i totally understand that. um, of course you've got a lot to deal with at the moment. um, larry, have you um, there are other families that all in, in, in the situation that you are in now. have you been in contact with them? is there some kind of a support system that you would have established to help each other at this moment?

so there are a few and we're trying um, at the beginning everything was chaos um as expected, i guess. um, nobody knew anything and we're still trying to figure out a lot of different channels of communication. defend groups, not everything is very organized, not everything is official. we haven't got so i would even not one official phone call from the store the same. we're looking for assistance or, or we don't have any new information, but we're on it. and this is one of the main things that we need the support of one another to try and push to try and get some sense into this crazy ration. larry,

i really appreciate your coming on to the program today to talk to us about this and thank you so much for sharing that story with us. but is very romano, whose sister is still missing since saturdays attacks. thanks so much again, larry. all the best to your family, being in the united states has confirmed, at least 11 of the citizens were killed in the terror attack on saturday. and believe americans are among the hostages being held by how much prison joe biden has condemned be attacked by homeless and emphasized that the united states stands by israel. he says israel has the rights to defend itself, so not to share even more than $1000.00 civilians. slaughtered francisco, slaughtered, and israel long i'm at least 14 american citizens killed.

parents butchered using their bodies to try to protect their children. stomach turned the reports of the baby's being killed, entire families slain. today, americans across the country are praying for all those families. it ripped apart. most of us know how it feels that leaves a black hole in your chest when you lose family. feeling like you're being sucked in. the anger, the pain sense of hopelessness. this is what they mean by human tragedy. leaders in france, germany, it's easy as the terrorist attack came, as israel was beginning to forge close the ties with arrow countries on the what on known as the abraham of quotes. this was started by when we do as president donald trump's administration, palestinians criticized these agreements saying they ignored their situation and failed to address their conflict with israel. and now they were off,

is that the fighting could spill over? a mass is recent terrorist attacks on israel have led to questions about how it managed to carry out an assault of this scale. and if the consequences could spock, why did conflict in the region for many years or role and as being one of the main supporters of a mass and other palestinian is the most militant groups providing both arms and financial aid. tyrone expressed support for the latest attacks, but denied involvement when we'll do some of them as below all via run back and heavily um the organization in neighboring lebanon is also a supporter of a mass mass and has been law deemed terrorist organizations by both germany and the united states, among others, a mass is latest attacks comes relations,

have warmed between israel and some arab countries. the west has suggested the attacks may have been in part, an attempt to undermine this process. rawlins long time rivals saudi arabia had reports. they've been close to signing an agreement with israel. it was hope this could lead to more our been predominantly muslim countries, folding better relations with israel. the saudi government has said it will only normalize tides if there was major progress towards the creation of a palestinian state of since 2020 as well as also normalize relations. under the abraham of quotes with united arab emirates by rain america, they joined jordan in egypt. and having different magic relations with this row. so don has also taken steps towards normalize relations. so many palestinians, these agreements are seen a serving only the interest of israel and as an abandonment of the palestinian caused by arab states. and fully is really perspective dw is hans bronze

has interviewed israel's best that it to germany. wrong proposal here in button. and best of the closer the people who say that the events in israel not comfortable to 911 in the united states, is that a comparison you would support? the answer is yes, from the shock. and but you know, saturday, the 7th of october will be a day, is it is going to stay in memory as a black day, as the deadliest day that the state is in the nation state of the jewish people have ever encountered. those images, the state of israel, was basically established in order for those images and never to happen. we're going to act in such a manner that from us as a terrorist organization with it, there was infrastructure will not be there after we finish turning to

the situation. now in israel, at the moment, the gaza strip has been cut off from the outside and complete the even including water and electricity that is impacting more than 2000000 people is not a little bit harsh, i guess more than 2 a 1000000 people that are so i'm going to stop you in the me, all the labs of health. this is you have to understand this is a paradigm shift between as humanity and barbarism civilization. and this, this is not this cycle 5 minutes. this is not 2 sides. this is one side, a terrorist organization that has decided to wage war against israel. and we will go after them every way they are in order to eradicate this infrastructure of their that basically terrorized as not as the only user but the whole region.

but it appears to be necessary to take this fight into gaza that will cause more casualties, both for the israelis and for the palestinians. is that price necessary? is we'll pay a high price if we go in because we don't have another choice without soldiers. well, boys without goods, the price in addition to the price of what we have just space, we're going to do that because we cannot even think of living in this region where the own neighborhood is located. so what about peace? what are the chances for some kind of peace between israel and the palestinians and for the middle east as a whole? no one thinks of peace at this stage. we need to make sure the mass is taken out. believe me when they're out there many and you've seen that in

the region of it's one piece we want peace at the end of the day. we're going to deal with that. but now, let's go ahead and i'll go back, we haven't finished this, we're not, we're in the middle of this morning. we're not thinking of anything as but making sure that those who did it to us will not be. but that has been some progress on the piece front in recent months between these rather than some arrow upstairs. and most recently that was talk about some kind of agreement between is rather than saudi arabia is all that finish and offers. you understand that this is not going to adventure, that the run and from us, that's a specialty run. so this a function mile with saudi arabia and beside it to the story. so it's not going to eventually and come us at this stage in iran. we are now in the middle of the war. we may have to make sure that

those who did that to us are going to be punished severely after that. i'm sure that they're going to be many in the region that are going to move forward and creating a better made an ease and then possible a comprehensive piece. but now this is not the things that we're talking about. so the closer thank you very much for talking to the us and our residents, middle east and the list shawnee was on his joins me now in the studio for more and that's shiny. i found that very interesting conversation. but just picking up on some of the things that we heard from the baset over there. and perhaps maybe let's actually begin with what's a weight is really forces going into guys. but as we anticipate this ground offensive from, nobody knows. and neither does these really military, and that's exactly the problem that's part of the hesitance is probably part part

of the long preparation that we're seeing and how much anticipates is really a ground operations. and this is how much this territory we need to give you the mind. garza has the, the overground city that we know the city, the, the, the but if you just kept us and so on. but on the lower ground in the there's a very elaborate system of tunnels, and this is where most how most militants headquarters. and sometimes even daily operations go in through the are some, the leaders have come us and living in the got in the gaza strip. not many of them are in caught are, but those who aren't from us are in the tunnels. they hardly see the day of life because they are trying to escape these really air force bombings and so on. so, and this is also part of the wreckage, we're seeing terrible uh, you know, pictures from gauze the way the is really monetary cesar lives. they have to go through the upper garza level in order to make it into the lower level of gauze that it's not clear how it's gonna work out. and no doubt about one thing is it's

going to be very brutal. it's going to be a lot of blood chad. it's not gonna be an easy task at all. and unfortunately, and in general, i'm looking at this, this crisis does it now under my, israel's attempts to grow his relations to develop more relations now with, with arab states like saudi arabia, for example. i think it's too soon to tell. i think it's quite clear that you know, we know that mazda is bestbuy and respect, as well as bai's best, but you want, we're not quite sure how directly involved yvonne was in this attack. but there is no doubt that in america is really saudi exits that we have been hurrying about in the last couple of months. is something you run is not very fond of, is very worried off. it's also what keeps now the americans very much involved in the reach and they want to make sure you're on stage they, they want to keep his blind in northern front, obtained as possible. and it could be that once this is all done and

everybody's counting the many deadlines, um they will be some sort of initiative probably that have been led by the americans, maybe other forces in the region. it's honestly, we don't see that in the political discourse right down israel, and i think it's a bit too soon to tell are shiny, what are the chances of, of the current conflict escalating into, into a wide a will what we see to northern border and we were just mentioned hezbollah, that's the most critical, immediate worry for israel. you know, when it comes to this escalating even further, we've seen the live throughout the morning. the last day, just in grizzle of small attacks. the morning was also a very lively exchange of artillery between israel and lebanon, and his mama. so this might get out of hand. we are not quite sure how coordinated is his ball out with her mazda in the sense that they did not launch and attack simultaneously. with his ball and maybe just keeping israel occupied and tense is

good enough for him us and for his bala. but we could be that they also interested in an escalation because one of the major things that that happened on saturday was that israel's, the turns which was its biggest weapon, strategic weapon, you know, standing in this part of the me least has crumbled. and if that means that how much is feeling and bolted and more gutsy, we might see more of that coming into the region more, more escalation into this conflict. right. and let's just look at the, the, the days pepsi from the hours ahead of us. so we know that israel is preparing for what we anticipate will be a ground defensive massing troops, some $300000.00. that the board is what's on the calendar. we've got friday coming up and, and the implications of that. we were just talking about on a, the hoody day out friday. what, what, what, what does the next few days look like? what's ahead of us. yeah, we need to keep in mind that the southern part of israel is still not completely clear from us. maintenance is really, is, are, you know,

he's really the forces are fighting that. we've just talked about the northern border. israel has that the eastern west of it, which is bordering the west bank and whatever happens there, we've seen a lot of very strict regulation against the palestinians into westbank. officially, they are not part of most, but there's a lot of public support to the causes that how much is pushing. and of course, a great enthusiasm from the great success of how much they've had. and we looked at the scene on friday at mosque day, in jerusalem, and in the west bank, if this is also uh, getting out of hand, you know, a lot of tense alertness in the whole region. too much julia to be seen. yeah. well, let's see that the for the moment shiny resign is our but least analyst. thank you, of actually seeing and this is the of the news continuing coverage of israel as well with how much of the top of the, our joint mcculloch, there's spanish, you can buy

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the . this is the, the news life from berlin. people in garza are starting to find charlotta as israel steps up as strikes into television for saturday. service attack, all sort of things and doesn't say more than 1000 people have been killed in the bombing. and more than a quarter of the median have been displaced and the depths told me in east where it goes off. as the ministry finds multiple days, they say the number of dead has reached the 1200 and that most of them were civilians gone down and their homes,

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