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who in 2 lawmakers who were both head of israel's military political enemies, usually at odds now in an alliance to leave the country into war. it has been 5 days since i'm off militants left. the gauze and entered is real, becoming a moss terrace. the death toll from there saturday killing street mail stands at 1200. inside garza, the death toll from is really air strikes, a 1000 employees on board golf and berlin. this is the day. the court, wherever we know, there are a mass all per day of school. how mass lead is we will attack it below the nowhere and doesn't say how much is
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a terrorist organization. they don't know some of the solutions. they offer black shirts with us best and then to make for me, it is also coming up more damage to europe's energy infrastructure. a gas pipeline in the baltic sea cut just before winter, an accident or sabotage. we cannot say at this stage a, a voice behind this, but we can see that some kind of external action is behind this for to our viewers watching on cbs in the united states, into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the de, inside gaza, where the power today began running out the central power plant. providing electricity for gauze is 2300000 residents went offline today,
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as israel's blockade takes hold. palestinians are now relying on generators for power. if they have fuel to run them across the board, israel is moving tanks and soldiers into position ahead of what is expected to be the biggest ground incursion into the gaza strip since the last ground assault back in 2014 mos continues to watch rockets across the border is rarely air strikes are increasing by the hour of battling, the skies expected to hit the ground anytime they are strikes, blockades, and now a power cut conditions for the over 2000000 people living in the gaza strip. keep getting worse is real, had already cut off electricity to gaza. now the territory. so power plant is also out of service. the fuel has run out. the officials warrant that the effect on causes already overloaded health system will be devastating and seeing what
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we're talking about, full beds and hospitals across cons. i mean adding to this so that the medication and supplies are about to run out the body, but also the fuel and generator are close to running out. to me, there will be a real issue in pending as the electricity company told us, they will completely stop work, which will be reflected on all those wounded comp ideas, really aggression and the sick people have gone to a mess. and i guess i left the job and that's what it is, but i the one model up to 5 because the gaza is under heavy fire. the wounded keeps coming, and medicine is running out of doctors without borders, say 50 wounded, came in at once after an air strike reduced to jamalia refugee camp to revel. thousands have fled their homes to seek shelter elsewhere. but for people in this densely populated area, there are no safe hiding spaces. how is this our fault?
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what did my children do? there's no electricity, internet, food, or water. why? we suddenly found ourselves displaced, going from a car to a hospital to a street. one person was coming to stay with us, they got hit by an air strike. another person asked us to come, stay with them. they got targeted. i'm in the street. where should i go? oh, no. or even un facilities have been hit. uh you and facility is cool, sheltering the displays, but i have been directly hit um a few days ago. um and overall we are hosting some 170000 people in over 18 schools on other facilities across the gulf has stripped. these are families who have floods the selling and the bombardment. israel says it has destroyed the homes of many members of hamas.
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the militant islam is group viewed as a terrorist organization by the you and the us. as night fall approaches in gaza, millions of people will have to wait for morning in near total darkness, in their homes and hospitals. while there are a central supplies are running out. international rights groups are calling for the opening of a humanitarian cord or my 1st guess tonight is a veteran. us diplomat daniel occurred to was ambassador to egypt under president bill clinton. he was us investor to israel from 2001 to 2005. investors good to have you with us this evening. the by administration, as you will know, has been critical of the nets and yahoo government, in the past, the, the scale of the home aust atrocities plus the establishment of this emergency
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government. do you think all of this will prompt washington or is prompting washington to give netanyahu carte blanche to respond to her mouse or the secretary state uh tony, blinking his landing. it is real probably right about now. and i'm pretty confident that he's carrying 2 messages. number one is please re read what president biden said, and that the united states stands supporting israel. we have their back. but i think the private messages need to moderate the response in a manner that doesn't create its own. you're not a terry and distressing problem. casa, has been a problem for quite some time. the people are being held hostage by hum us, now they have is really hostages as well. so israel will need to take this into account as it searches out, the hamas leadership and tries to decapitate. what do you think the role of the
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united states should be at this critical time? i'm should it be to offer unconditional support to is real or should it be an agent to help break the cycle of violence? i mean, if the united states doesn't do it, then what power will, as well, i don't like the word cycle of violence. how mazda is actions over the weekend or beyond the pale, and represent her refix escalation of its own. i think the united states is israel's posts as well. i can provide the kind of sobering advice that i hope sector blinking is bringing. but as you saw, we're also sending to aircraft carrier battle groups to the mediterranean to send a very important message to other players such as his ball 11 on any ron not to escalate this crisis. so i think we,
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we play those 2 different roles. we will work with a countries like egypt and culture to see if we can't get some dialogue started to address the issue of the hostages and see how this goes forward. but the israel is intent upon trying to not only diminish, but to destroy from us as capabilities of ever doing again, the har or what they committed this weekend. minister netanyahu each talks about now of re shaping the middle east. what is, what's your take on, on that rhetoric? um, what do you think he means? well, frankly, i don't know. i think before how much is attack? there was a sense that a savvy israel understanding or normalization agreement would be transformative. and i think that's what the, by the ministration was pursuing in the aftermath of what,
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how much is done. however, i think it's going to need, we're going to need a lot of time for things to sort out. and i'm not sure that there's a new middle east, a comfortable middle east that's going to emerge very easily. israel will be on the edge of his bellow represents the significant threat, both in the context of what's happening now, but also in the future. raj nuclear pretensions represent a significant threat and so the analysts and policy makers are going to be working overtime to try to figure this out. i think it's premature to make big declarations about what the middle east will be. and i'm wondering what this is going to do to the thrust of us foreign policy in the united states has been trying to, to shift its focus from the middle east. um, more towards a new security focus being on asia, of course are rising. china, does this conflict? does it mean that, that shifting policy?
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is that over as or is it going to be suspend, as well, i think to us as well as others will have to reassess the bases of its policies and approach in this region. we certainly are not going to change with respect to our support for israel and the security. we're not going to change with respect to our support for other allies, the egypt, jordan, saudi arabia. we're not going to change with respect to the importance of, of the security of oil and gas exports, but uh, how things shape out with respect to non state actors. and this is that a problem that all of us have been grappling with for a long time. and no one really has a handle on it. with states, you can expect some kind of normal behavior. sometimes they go to war, sometimes they don't not say doctors are not covered by any of these rules. and as we saw this weekend, not only has almost broken the rules of international behavior,
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but has the really decline to to a blood thirsty, a horrible killing machine. which is hard to grasp the level of this information on social media when it pertains to this conflict. i mean, it has reached unprecedented levels. and a common theme that we're seeing is, is an attempt to create a, a moral equivalence between is really actions and the atrocities committed by a mouse. how do you see this? a look at some particular problem worldwide? i see it on the college campus. i teach at princeton university and we want to be sensitive to the feelings of american jews and his release on campus who have been affected emotionally by what happened. but we also need to be sensitive to the fact that we have pallets sitting in an arab students who are now watching the
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destruction of homes and, and the killing of people in gaza. and social media only exacerbates the problem. you know, i think you heard that the israelis have advised parents to keep their children off of social media. they don't want to see some of the most horrific images that are out there. but uh, you're not going to get a lot of people offering social media and that means that the chance of this information really becomes much greater and only adds to the burden of trying to calm the situation down investigator frontier. we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us. we appreciate your valuable insights tonight. thank you. my pleasure . thanks for earlier this evening, i spoke to ed gar kit, one of israel's most prominent authors. he lives until a v with his wife and son. i asked him what went through his mind when he heard
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that from us had launched an attack in israel, or they're willing to beginning the, you know, mean my wife, we woke up to a norma. um, you know, we're, we've been fluid out of it real quick me said a tech so. so we, after the, the launch and, you know, in the me size, we went and bought the coffin to take awake a fast thinking that it's more of the same. and, and then very quickly, you start to get getting news about basically hundreds in a of terrorist entering gauge a keyboard. susan village is in pounds and murdering people. and there was this feeling of fake you both because people were quartering dakota vision saying we need help that people burning down our house. come and save us. and not only need the army to peach time to arrive,
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but the government provided no answer. nathan now released the movie 6 hours later in which he has a perfectly make up and very nicer and says that we have a tour with all those people dealing with issues. you know, in the 1st, i would say, 48 hours or at least you know, for the 6 hours, and then you'll find member went to any of the states to do is, you know, the be pretty like a, a me to start with the minister of transportation, you know, people who could just give some kind of a feeling of leadership. we're not there. it's a, this extreme, extreme right when the government basically disintegrated with people from the process offering to us is to 2 families in distress. it's, it's strange. it's like in this country, it's could i could, i couldn't hear the disappointment. i'm in your voice. i mean, you feel like you're government the state. let you down. um,
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at the moment when it should have been protecting you, what does it mean then for your confidence in this emergency government that was announced today? well, 1st of all, i want to say that you know, a, i'm a 56 year old guy. i leave during my life news, right surgery and i've been for quite a few was i've never been in a situation like that because i think that for the past 20 years, nathaniel had built this kind of system of is it containing, as transcending to come across as an identity, you know, to, to define a student of dorothy and basically as some kind of way of making sure that nobody is staying in state with sleep through. now these uh, these i do of bribing to their booth and best thing with the day of it. and when they need to deliver a exploded, you know, face, you know, and, and they are, they are more than it falls in the civilian bed. and there are more than 2000
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a civilians wanted and in this season, you know, was the government that you cited against everyone against this pilots were foot and the soldiers were fighting now to a to say, if i left a guest by the, you know, this is the same government that said together to is it ministers any to, to binding mind your own business? the have the waters of northern new york become the scene of yet another pipeline, sabotage a year after the north stream pipeline bombings. finland confirmed this week that it is investigating a rupture and a sub see gas pipeline that stretches all the way to estonia and defend say, the damage was probably caused by outside activity. that has put it on the radar at nato. the baltic connector gas pipeline connex into in finland and pulled this ski in estonia. now it was ruptured on wednesday along with
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a telecommunications cable connecting the 2 countries. repairs are expected to take about 5 months. in the meantime, worries over the security of europe's energy infrastructure. it will only grow. here is the head of native. you're in stoughton. bert speaking earlier today. the important thing now is to establish what happens on the a how this could happen. if it is proven to be a deliberate attack on a night to critical infrastructure, then this will be, of course, a serious. but it will also be met by a united and determined that response from natal. or i'm going to bring it benjamin schmidt. now he's an energy security expert with the university pennsylvania. he testified to the us congress on russia's webinar using of energy, and this summer he paid a visit in fact, to the baltic conductor. so i didnt estonia, the perfect man to talk to tonight. but you mean it's good to see you again, nato pledging a strong response. if this is found to be a deliberate attack,
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do you think that this is sabotage? is that the only plausible explanation? it will look brands free to see you and i wish we weren't always uh, meeting under such circumstances with such see pipeline explosions, the baltic sea. but there we are. i will say that right now, everything looks like this was a deliberate action, and it really is going to come down to the forensic investigation that's been ongoing. let's, let's step back here. we 1st heard about this on sunday, on october east, when there was a drastic drop in pressure in the pipeline all the way down to 6 bar, suggesting a tube of our ring on the custodian side and in the, in the uh, the, the finished uh, transmission system operator desperate on the finish side, that there was a leak in. remember, this is kind of a seems forensic, a timeline that we had for the north stream ruptures. we didn't know right away.
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that was sabotage. we just knew the release. and of course, over the past 48 hours, we have seen the investigation continue. um there were uh notes of a small not as large as the north stream last, but a small seismic event that took place. this could have been course with a small amount of explosives, but also just by mechanically rupturing the pipeline. so there's a number of theories right now about what's going on. and i'm certainly looking into this and in this is certainly as you said, uh, brands, something that i've been looking at closely. as you said, i, i visited the site right next door to the voltage connector and pull this key is sonya. just basically, several weeks ago when i was looking at the jedi for the police keep efforts, are your floating surgery gas vacation unit is part of my up and climbing energy research grant that i'm working on critical infrastructure protection in more than year. i know that you've also been doing a lot of research into the north stream of explosions, the bombings can you,
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can you draw some parallels here? and i, i guess the question a lot of people are asking is with nord stream. and now with this incident, do both of these roads lead to boss scale as well? what we don't know yet again, this, the, the final thing to do here is to gather as much information in both cases, right? the forensic evidence use spatial commercial satellite imagery that we've seen on now with uh, with the north stream investigations. i think the same thing is going to have to be done with both the connector to look for any vessels or any other activity that was going on outside of standard operation and getting vessels that are operating with their a i s are automatic information systems switched on um, so if the that's the normal operation, the operating procedure, but if these vessels have their, their, their a, a switch off, they become what is known as a dark special meaning that i can go on to a website like marine traffic, which has spoken source ship traffic control,
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which is in see where these vessels are so that the parallels between the 2 events are really striking. thus far. we saw on a pan nordic investigation by before nordics, public broadcasters come out of several months ago and showed using commercial satellite data that a number of russian subs see capable vessels, government vessels that were on the sites of the north stream, blast gulf in june 2022 and some of them just a few days before those last in september 2022. and you know that, that includes this vessel, the super eoc costs a subsidy capable vessel that the russians have. incidentally, on this vessel was shown by a polish, consult, and see, uh, just 24 hours ago to have been in and around the boat to connect her pipeline. in the weeks leading up to this incident, whether or not it had a direct cause or a direct can in the bolt, the connector disaster that we've seen thus far,
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it gets unclear. this will take a lot more data, but, you know, we've seen vessels on a asset if you spin back the data on the website, like green drafts to the russian icebreakers, basically going right over the sites as the explosion allegedly have, you know, we talked about this before benjamin we, we still do not have a final verdict about what happened to the nord stream pipelines, even a year after the the bombings. now russia says that it wants to join the investigation of what does that tell you about the notion of sabotage with a kremlin fingerprint? so yes, russia, who's been wanting to be part of all of these investigations and then it has lost a series of hearings at the un, specifically to try to push this narrative. it has been many times the bunk that
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norway in the united states were somehow involved in the, the disruption of the north spring pipelines. all right, so it's a, we've seen this over and over and we'll probably see it again as he said with the baltic semester pipeline. but there's another thread that's been really captivating the media in both english language price, but also terminal language press. this idea that there was a so so called pro, the premium sale, both the enrollment either somehow sales out in into the deed sabotaged, ignored stream, wanting to last year. it is very possible that that could be the case. however, uh, a lot of, of expertise around the baltic sea really starts the question whether this is technically possible. technically, people could be a legitimate false leg operation by the russians. i personally know that the, that sale boat exists. i went up to the bottom and uh, in uh, just uh, 2 weeks ago and actually found it and walked up and saw the, the, the, uh, the sale boats are rental sale boat and really nothing very extraordinary about it
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. but again, there's been a complete lack of coverage or, or, you know, deleted coverage of what the north broadcast isn't showing which our russian capable of is subsidy capable vessels vessels that are actually designed to do c bed warfare. we're on the site and we're getting what we're thinking of seeing one of these, possibly at the, both the connectors. i've gotten about 30 seconds because why do you think that is, why do you think that there has not been a lot of the coverage in, in the english language media about this? a boy that's, that's the $1000000.00 question grant. i'm not entirely sure. and that's something that i'm hoping to uh, to publish in, in bring some more more analysis to soon. but again, all of these different offshore infrastructure protection scenarios need to be bolstered as much as possible. and one of the biggest things we can do right now, in addition to just having surveillance on the sea, is to have more over watch capabilities from, you know, from drones, from horbeth, etc. that allow us to have attribution because that's the sort of thing that will
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hopefully stop the sort of incidents from happening if they are deliberate because you know, no one wants to be found out. so that's, that's where we think we need to be. focus is anita alina's. page measurement is always good to have you on good to get your analysis valuable insights. thank you. thanks so much my pregnancy. so the day is almost done the conversation that continues online. you'll find this on twitter either in the w news. you can probably be at brent dot tv and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then everybody, the
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