things were gathering intelligence, i can say that's the uh, those the, the tourists uh, the hundreds of terrace the breached into his route. and that were killed in the exchanges without forces in the off the mass of the massacre. they left a lot of intelligence for us together in the process and in order to seek out and destroy from us. and that's our escape ability. okay, well when you're speaking about differentiating between civilians and militants, or viewers, i've seen on, on, on this channel and other, other viewers on other channels and tar neighborhoods flattened in, in northern gazda. there's inevitably collateral damage how, how, how, how do you sort of square that with what you're saying about only targeting the leadership of how mass people who go back south are going to come back and not have homes. the un does even calling this a form of collective punishment as one of the targets we struck the day before yesterday was a, a rooftop of 3 or 4 houses on the rooftops from us,

had positioned drones with explosives to attack israel. do they care about losing those houses? they have effectively made those military targets. and this is just one example of many because they're promoted in controlled positions. they're in residential areas . there are a lot of sites are in with them in between houses and hospitals and most their total facilities which they use. they're finding out now in their bunkers as they sacrifice to people of gaza once again. so indeed, when the, when the urban area becomes laden with terrorist infrastructure which is used to attack israel, then they are legitimate targets. and that is parts of it may need to be balancing act. we're trying to do by telling people you need to evacuate areas you need to go south so that we can differentiate between you and those people that are holding you, hostage from us who are actually putting your lives at risk. we are,

are determined that from us will never, ever again be able to reuse that sort of ball that's above our heads. understood tater learners, spokes person for the israeli defense forces. thank you. dozens of israelis have been protesting in front of the defense ministry and television asking authorities to bring their missing relatives back home. many held signs with the names and pictures of their loved ones. some are still unaccounted ford, some are believe to be held captive and guys are following the massive assault launched by how much less saturday the killed more than a 1000 people. at least a $150.00 is read. these are believe to have been taken hostage. stephen ryan is with the international red cross and red crescent society in jerusalem. i asked him whether his organization is playing a role in getting him asked to free the israeli hostages. it was certainly i but we can say right from the start is that nothing can justify the attacks that were carried alternates rather in the, in the last week or hertz, the i,

c or c oliver stuff as well as people around the world or had squared to the findings of lost loved ones and especially also to those who were left wasting and wondering what have happened to those who have been taken hostage. and the i, c, r c has been reiterating. it's called the parties of the conflict to make sure that they are released immediately. we have engaged with a mouse and a dialogue to make sure that they understood what their obligations are. and at the same time, the tax it is relative suffert's. i cannot justify the limitless destruction of gaza. there has been tragedy on both sides of this complex and the i, c or c, acting as a neutral intermediary and a role as an entirely neutral and impressions organization works with people that are affected, both in israel and gaza. and to turn to the situation and gaza itself. if you don't mind, what are you hearing about conditions for civilians? they are now well,

certainly from talking to my colleagues that are based there at the i feel it's he has over a 100 stuff based in gaza. the situation is dire. i, there has been a distinct block of food, water, electricity, and now i such a huge number of people being instructed to move sites and conditions like this. it is impossible for the i c or c, or any organization to provide suspicions, humanitarian assistance, while the ministry seeds continued use, we do not have access to the people that need help right now. while that seems continues, we're not going to be able to help people, and that's why we're calling for an immediate humanitarian access, both for relief, actions, goods, medical license, food and our stuff to be able to help to meet some of the needs that are lising by the hour and the israeli government stephen has told civilians as we know to leave northern guests. what are the people who can't leave? who are in hospital or babies and incubators are people you know or are too old?

will your organization be able to help them? or certainly the military forces and armies have a responsibility to warn people about intending risk. but at the same time, as he mentioned, they're going to be many, many people who are unable to sleep for a broad range of reasons. they might be elderly, they might have a disability that might be fixed. for all of these reasons, it means that international humanitarian law protects these people. and that means that a states and other authorities have a responsibility to make sure that they're spared from the sizes. for the perspectives of the i, c or c, we are ready to try and help these people. those that have needs, as well as those who have had no choice but to remain where they are. can do so, we need to have access for teens and to be able to bring in a like a needed relief. and it just the last question. if i may, you have perhaps a 1000000 people on the move traffic jams inevitably, if they're all taking these,

these 2 safe routes. how do you actually catch up and deliver food and medicine to these people? is that part of the challenge? but certainly part of the challenges that we do have a large number of staff based in gaza, many of which are resident there and some international stuff. also, it's not sufficient for us to be able to respond to a crisis on the scale, which is growing by the hour. we need to be able to get further relief and people in we need to be able to organize support for the people that are there. because right now the situation is so clued in dynamics that it's impossible, but the small, relatively small team that we have. and for all the amount of turn actors to be able to address is crisis. so we need to have access now. okay, steven ryan with the red cross, introduce and thank you so much. let's have a look at some of the other news concerning the conflict. as the militant business group home us says that 9 more hostages, it was holding,

have been killed in his really air strikes on the gaza strip on friday. how much reported 13 hostage tests. also blaming the israeli bombardment is rarely government believes up to a 150 hostages were taken during the terrorist attack a week ago. egypt and israel have agreed to the us citizens. we have the gaza strip through the roof of crossing the only entry point to the territory. not controlled by israel. is really army instructor crossing early this week and says any use of it into egypt will be in coordination with israel. lebanon says it will submit a formal complaint to the un security council over what it calls israel's deliberate killing of is, i'm doing the lebanese national and reuters journalist, i'm due that was killed in southern lebanon on friday. we'll cover in classes on the border with israel. german for administer on elena bare bach is in egypt for tox, focused on the grass, a conflict, airball, commit egyptian foreign ministers, the initial cri, and cairo. in a statement,

egypt said both ministers understood the need for, quote, immediate cessation of escalation of the conflict. they are bach held talks with visiting circus for administer. i can see done to discuss joint efforts to secure the release of german costs, which is us secretary of state antony blinking, has called for the protection of civilians. as israel prepares for an expected assault on gaza during a meeting with his saudi counterpart. prince vase i'll been far head in re ad blinking said that while israel has a legitimate right to defend its people, it was quote, vitally important to protect civilians and that the us and the saudi arabia were working together to do so. lincoln also found his chinese counterpart when need to urge badging to use its influence in the middle east to stop the conflict from spreading. or cynthia danko is a visiting fellow at the european council on foreign relations. i asked her if the normalization talks between is real and saudi arabia couldn't be resurrected or if it was completely off the table. that's the only time the rest of record because of

the basis of that home, i lays ation process. i have to say box, you know, there are real, very real interest. so in both on all the sites involved, the solid. you do want to have stronger relations with israel and also use this agreement to sort of get a good the renewal of us 6. you would take commitments to the region because of the value radius is aware that to contain the risk from on a thing from iran and others. they need both engagements and the terence they use rarely as august. so you have a very strong political interest in signing onto this normalization because it would unlock a number of other really relationships throughout the auto been his stomach world. and the united states has a strong interest because 1st of all, they wanted to relinquish to some of their responsibilities as security actor in the region to israel. and at the same time,

they also are aware that this would pay out very well, politically, for the administration that would be responsible for precipitating section agreements. that it is simply a, that those interests are going to stay. but this is really not the time. it's politically toxic to now to look at this file so it's going to take months. it's not more to be able to revisit that file. or you can just look at the shorter term news now those hundreds of thousands of guys and sling south, and some of them in danger of, you know, being harmed by the impending is really assault. how much influence to saudi arabia have in mitigating that possibly do think to well enough to lots. if you look at the is riley science. i mean, that is the reason a lot of his brain, the commentators officials and so on are calling what happens on october 7th,

our 911. and among the reasons is that these really, governments, retaliation or reaction frantically does not seem to be very rational at all. and that's exactly what happened with the u. s. government talk to 911. so it wouldn't be, you know, the, the saudis could possibly entice smith in the, out to restrains where they willing to offer, you know, and a continuation of that process of normalization of relations. but it's how give me a ready 2 legs because there are babies. lemme public opinion worldwide is already quite so sort of in range so it wouldn't allow it to. it's already too late for that and on the homicide. so the consider how much a terrorist organization they have, right? those are the top leaders in their, in their own jails and they have very limited relations. i mean our can be, ron at is the one regional player would still have intact leverage on come us

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