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would take commitments to the region because of saudi arabia is aware that to contain the risk. so i'm on a thing from iran and others. they need both engagements and the terrans. and they use ruggedly as august. so you have a very strong political interest in signing onto this normalization because it would unlock a number of other really relationships. the throughout the auto been his stomach world. and the united states has a strong interest because 1st of all, they want to relinquish to some of their responsibilities as security actor in the region to israel. and at the same time, they also are aware that this would pay out very well, politically, for the administration that would be responsible for facilitating section agreements. that it is simply a, that those interests are going to stay. but this is really not the time. it's politically toxic to now to be look at this file so it's going to take months. it's not more to be able to revisit that file. or if we can just look at the shorter
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term news. now those hundreds of thousands of guys in sling south and some of them in danger of, you know, being harmed by the impending, is really a solve. how much influence to saudi arabia have in mitigating that possibly, do you think to well enough to lots, if you look at the is riley science. i mean, that is the reason a lot of his brain, the commentators are officials and so on are calling what happens on october 7. so our $911.00 and among the reasons is that these really governments, retaliation or reaction frantically does not seem to be very rational at all. and that's exactly what happened with the u. s. government talk to 911. so it wouldn't be, you know, the, the saudis could possibly entice smith and the out to restrains where they willing to offer, you know, and a continuation of that process of normalization of relations. but it's all giving
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me a ready to late because there are babies. let me public opinion worldwide is already quite so sort of in range so it wouldn't allow it to. it's already too late for that and on the homicide. so the consider how much a terrorist organization they have, right? those are the top leaders in their, in their own jails, and they have very limited relations. i mean, arguably a ron at is the one regional player would still have in tax library. john, come, us understood. thank you for that insight gen subject a visiting fellow with the european council on foreign relations. let's look at some other news concerning the conflict to the militant islam is good from us. as 9 more hostages that was holding had been killed in his really air strikes on the gas a strip on friday. how mass reported 13 hostage tests also, blaming is rarely bombardment. is really government believes up to 150 hostages
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were taken during the terrorist attack a week ago. egypt and israel have agreed to let us citizens leave the gaz, this trip through the roof crossing the only entry point to the territory, not controlled by israel. these really army struck the crossing early this week and says any use of it into egypt will be in coordination with israel. lebanon says it will submit a formal complaint to the un security council over what it calls israel's deliberate killing. it is son of july 11. he is national, and reuters journalist abdulla was killed in southern lab. and on friday we'll cover in classes on the border with israel. israel has called up some 360000 reservist and mass troops and tanks along the border with gas and the palestinian tort territory has been under siege and a near constant ground in air bombardment. israel says a senior, how much military commander was killed in the air strikes. israel is believed to be planning a major ground extensive as we've been reporting. although the start time has not
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been announced. like martin is a military analyst at king's college in london. he told me what it is real would be taking into consideration as it prepares for this possible offence. or i think that's just the problem is not clear that israel does have a strategy. the type of rule that it's trying to sites which is against the minutes include stats, embedded with civilians. these boys always have political solutions of some sort. the ministry pays of a pot. the moment is why it is conducting a minute to your ration without any kind of political aims or goals. and so that's, that's the big problem. and that's, that's something the israel should think about because it tells us how they going to conduct the operation. but also how they going to get out and finish the operation at the end of it. and israel has a mixed record, as you know of using military force in guys a,
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in the up killing many civilians. and not actually getting rid of a mouse in, in, in the meanwhile, there, are there any signs, do you think that they have learned or can learn from past experience this time around? i, i think you've hit upon the most important thing, hey, which is the image real pricing. you need to discriminate between minutes. you targets and civilians all good. so not very difficult to do whenever you have a militant group, but also particularly in an oven area. i think over the last few days we've seen a one of the heaviest aerial bombardment said i think that as well as, as a conducted so it doesn't seem clear to me that they have learned those lessons about avoiding spinning allergies. i'm not also sure with some of the rhetoric coming out to be as well at the moment talking about lane seems to gaza is not clear that they are really attempting to separate millage thomas from civilian targets and moving away from the battle ground itself. what are the wider regional risks of the war between israel and how much do you think as well
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uh, how much is uh, may just phones. uh is, of course, iran and iran has a web of alliances in the region with has belong to the north of his elbow. so with the syrian regime and of course with, with russia and started the big danger have of course, is that it wrong gets dragged into the war in a much more major way. of course, one of the things it appears how much was trying to achieve was to break down this, the so called abraham a codes between israel and saudi arabia and the en route. and that was one of the runs major goals as well. so there's a huge web stretching across the region, the critic nights as a result of this comes right. so not so close. why? because you know, the americans has sense a carry, a bustle group to the east submitted training because they have used that as a warning to everyone to just step back and keep the conflict contains. thank you,
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mike. mike martin from kings college, london. peter learners, a spokes person for the israeli defense forces. i asked him what's stopping, how most fighters from joining the civilians fling south? as i would say that we need to have a situation on the grounds where how much is proceeds and that we can get hold of them if they further and bet themselves within the civilian population. as they, as you pointed out, and rightly rightly, you know, they have no regard with human life. and there is a distinct possibility that they will do so. but i would give you an idea of one of the things that we've been doing over the last few days, you know, you know how much because they're so proud of their butchering. they've broadcasted on social media and much of their activities of the mastercard. and by doing so, they also expose themselves and we've seen lots of them. we can identify. i can even confirm here that we've even targeted and killed at least one of those that
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was involved. specifically in the attack, we killed one of their commanders. i caught the who was in charge of the breach of the parameter of the back of the boulder area. so yes, we are differentiating, we are gathering intelligence. i can say that's be those the, the tourists that hundreds of tears the breached into as well. and that were killed in the exchanges without forces in the off the mass of the massacre. they left a lot of intelligence for us together to process. and in order to help us seek out and destroy from us and the service capabilities. okay, well when you're speaking about differentiating between civilians and militants, or viewers, i've seen on, on, on this channel and other, other viewers on other channels, entire neighborhoods, flattened in, in northern gazda. so there's inevitably collateral damage how, how, how, how do you sort of square that with what you're saying about only targeting the leadership of how mass people who go back south are going to come back and not have
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homes that you and there's even calling as a form of collective punishment, or one of the targets we struck the day before yesterday was a, a rooftop of 3 or 4 houses on the rooftops from us, had positioned drones with explosives to attack israel. do they care about losing those houses? they have effectively made those military targets. and this is just one example of many because they're promoted in control positions. they're in residential areas. their launch sites are in with them in between houses and hospitals. and most their total facility in which they use their finding out now in their bunkers as they start to force the people of gaza once again. so indeed, when the, when the urban area becomes laden with terrorist infrastructure which is used to attack israel, then they are legitimate targets. and that is parts of it may need to be balancing
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act. we're trying to do by telling people you need to evacuate areas you need to go south so that we can differentiate between you and those people that are holding you, hostage from us who are actually putting your lives at risk. we are determined that from us will never, ever again be able to reuse that sort of bowl that's above our heads. understood tater learners, spokes person for the israeli defense forces. thank you. so let's take a look at see a voters national academics and human rights advocates. here the when for the know side could set back reconciliation efforts by years. and here's a quick reminder of the top story we're following for you this. our benjamin netanyahu has visited, is really soldiers gathered at the gas and border and ask them, are you ready? it's really prime minister made the visit after issuing guys as an evacuation order to flee to the south of the territory over a 1000000 people have been told to relocate situation to us,
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