the. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 in meeting cultures around the world, people learn to classify small handful of animals of edible, and all the rest of the classify as disgusting. w series about our complex relationship with animals. the great debate. what's, you know, on youtube, dw documentary the. it's not getting the headlines these days, but the war and ukraine has lost none of its intensity with both sides anxious to make games before the winter impedes the movements on the battlefield. from the few agnes capital vilnius, my guest is the prime minister in good that she money say. what i think is most to show is that the country stay committed to providing the brain with weapons needs the financial funds with needs, with everything needs the when the, as the little goes on, how much faith does she have in major plans for defending the voltage states,

what about human rights and accusations for the border guards have a legally pushed back my goodness along the frontier with by the rules. and why take on by doing the diving this, you ideas, relations with china, off to taiwan, is allowed to open a representative office in the country with its name attached to it. what did you want to prove? you're very welcome to come pick some. oh, thank you for having me here right now. the new middle east conflict is dominating the world's headlines. how vital is it? that's the wes doesn't change. it's i off the bone and you pride. well, it is high so, and it's just the message that the, my colleagues from the government, myself and also they like mine is the country keep repeating, but i don't really think this will happen because of the cost was so complicated to sort of work on a couple of problems and it's natural that the new footage,

your information that comes from israel is about his most probably now taking over the public, the not much space on that, the media coverage. but on the other side, the uh, the, uh, the problem i think underlying in both cases you brain on and, and, and israel and also is related because what, what we see here, both of both bookcase. this is the fact that some of the people think that they can just tell me by flores. i rewrite the rules and dictates of democracy. do you worry the, those countries supporting you crying with weapons and ammunition might be less inclined to ship the supplies to care, but they've promised the preferred box to keep them for themselves. i don't really think so because i think that most of the country do understand that the problem is long lasting and it's not about you know, whether you're ship or something you promise to,

to bring or keep it for your phone. but the problem is much wider. the problem is a long time on the financing on the, uh, on, on the limited uh, situation of the defense and security in the most of the countries. um, this position that you know that there, there is no, no real risk and there are no real types to, to security may be targeted by the authorized hormones. they all try military fat. and of course, the warranty frames has changed this understanding significantly. and what the countries need, they need to increase that pension, so that'd be fine. some security. so i think the multi countries have the countries in the region has done years ago. but for this, you need also to increase the capacity of the military capacities. remember, democracies do it to produce 1st and foremost that they meant they ought to be. i never think of what is needed and this is not you know that you can save on the top,

the grain. and so just so you feel safe? is this much why the is this was much why the things that need to be done in the democratic well, when it comes to the battlefield in ukraine, were you hoping for better results by now from the credit in forces? well, you know. 5 frankly, i think this is something that people would say it was a come on understanding, but on the other side, we must think uh what, what's the rush shop a lot to do during the time that the rain was not dim and was not trans. it's even uh to be given the weapons needs, because the level of blinding the level of a sort of problem that was created for, for the premium army within those couple of months, was so huge, back to the cost is a very hard work for your brain. to, to break through um, even more difficult, but when winter sets in, so everyone's in a hurry,

the baffle seems very finally balance, but the moment is not your impression as well. oh, well, my impression is that the, the changes in the, in the, in the board a lie has, if i minus the so all the, not the huge. and of course, rationally is trying to about to erase some of the new at toxin in, in, in the region on the bottom most and, and, and the new regional coupons, most probably to, to draw all that attention of the, bring an army from the problem solving from this home part, and this is a, this is the way i'm even, russian will not count it's losses because it doesn't care about losses and for your brain. it just like a huge challenge given by the just smaller country. it just the democracy has been charged by the office still in the end. yes. the winter winter time will be much more complicated than the summer and automatically but you understand that. but i will still say that it's not for us, you know,

to make inclusions or to make judgments on, on them. on the success of bringing an army, we just need to be patient that we need to provide a grain with everything we can. and uh, and do everything we can to support the to that side for words, independence, etc, territorial integrity. let's talk um, if we may have bought these you of nato unity especially since is being reported that you might like to be the next, the nato secretary general. i don't know what you sorry about that, but perhaps you'll smile says everything in you and you spoke of the global forum and telling me even you set the war, have cemented the unity of like minded partners across the world. europe, nato. the whole democratic world has never be more united and we must uphold this unity in those cases spoken a little too soon. vince you problem turns against do crime said last month, it with the supply. any more weapons off of the current contracts right now, we'll have to see what the new government does hungry when ship any are told of as

. as of back here, not one round of ammunition more about was the campaign soaking of the mon roberts pizza, who set to be the new prime minister. so this is not that unified, is it? wow, i'm a politician. so in most of the cases i separate the political rhetoric, especially when you know that the elections knew me from, from the, from the beach on the, on the ground. and it just not made so that this providing uh weapons and not to read to you brandy and uh, do you bring it in for it just comes from salt, major or dismemberment made or depending on what, what, what every country can do and isn't a profession to do, i will remind you that from the beginning of this slide to scale invasion, uh, why so many countries were not in a position to provide any useful weapons to your brain. and it's a lot to us and it took a sort of this of this and this time to go all the

time that's happened in the district of care. so for some of the countries to, to, to change his mind and then to deliver the next range of a funds. that's what i have so much needed. so it is somewhat a different situation because it was never like uniform the same. and all of a sudden now some countries are not doing that. are in europe any union in union? there's not the military law in your union, and it's more of the support for a, for a um 40 plane just sustain itself. the budget to the support, the financial support also supported the fifty's and up to now all the decisions that needed to be taken for the support of your brain. how by the, by the countries, by consensus. so, uh, yeah, it is not pleasant. you know, to, to, to, to, to listen somehow. uh,

sometimes those internal debate that happen. but when it comes to decision making, i will not be back by some where are you on the issue of ukraine's membership of you and nato images, accession to both organizations. oh, it's the most probably easier to say about the you because the process is robert horrible. and there will be uh, evaluation off. uh you've been commission upcoming this uh this or tell them about how successful successful countries. why not only right, but also, although i know there's in implementing the interim steps now they have to take to the bid for the stock of negotiation. so right, so they're fighting for european value. they're fighting for democracy so that it doesn't, that get taken into account. well, you know, as you should not off this live union prime minister because the union prime

ministers before my how many prime ministers and they're all, what bidding for their geo political interest. all european union just happened to frighten in european union before any invasions thought, even before i knew that before 2014. so no, they might hear, but the hormone stuff will still be taken and it's, it's much clearer if you ask me. my understanding is very simple, if this all of interest to you, right within the european finally same as with the family. but all this are these consensus around the table, so it will take on, let's go back to make of july, somebody in your capital values before and what on the way your foreign minister, cold publicly for dates, way points as the product. so as to tie down, you credit your membership, but it didn't get any was not as frustrating for you as it obviously was to you

guys, presidents or landscape. this is a blessing to so understand that on one hand, there is a declaration that you bring belongs to me to the family and some broad future. but on the other hand, is due to how this notion of uh whenever i agreed. and the condition is not met when do way do not know what, what exact conditions are and the minds of the, of the problem and solve this formula. but i think you bring these every day that is so the price for the rights to be, to belong to european union. and they tell, and this is something that the countries need to take into account. so of course, the debate will continue until upcoming washington summit, but the overall, there are countries that to the, that's what so maybe phase texted,

but this is not the baltic countries of what exactly it says you can walk away from this much hide summit security guarantees from the g 7 countries for now that pretty much worthless on the reading, the small print, the only from commitment by the g 7 was that in the event of a russian strep to ukraine, it, they would immediately consult with kia, to determine appropriate next steps. a consultation more than 600 days into the largest conflict in europe since the 2nd world war. and you can, can rely on what a consultation that's pretty self thing is there. i think your brain can rely and will rely for the foreseeable future on the real support on the ground from the partners military support the financial support. and it will be able to support the country needs now, not in, you know, in, in the future. in 10 years, or in 15 years, because business model that your brain was this was, i don't want to, i think it's the most crucial. it's outcomes. we stay committed to providing the

brain with weapons with needs, with financial positive needs, with every think it needs to when the war band, the doubts, but they will do that. they will come to supply the weapons, you know, long so far i have no doubt. so far but looking at the look. 7 that is the best from uh, put in on the electronic changes in, in many countries, hoping to 70 percent of your time use media evolve, you know, uh, real leaders. they are like in the us and all we are like awesome the west of democracy. valdez terminated because they just comfortable for years or 5 years and go away. and of course, this is your best on, on, on the, on the change of political cycle. but i just think that this is that a real, i mean, this is a realistic. i don't think anything will change as let's look if we may add some negroes planning to display your wage and the voltage region last year. your

opposite number and estonia kaya carlos was pretty scathing about nato's defensive strategy for the baltic states under the alliance. as punk block, she said estonia, would it be wiped off the map by any russian a bronze? even if the intention was to lose estonia and liberate that later everyone, she said, could see that this trip was concept. doesn't really look sense that statement, has nato done anything to rectify the situation? yeah, a lot. because new defense plans have been approved uh before, somewhat before, but for everyone doing business needs with summit. and the planning is a sort of based on the on, on the real world assumptions. and it is a, it is a real defense plan. i was able to say, and of course, the approach all the partners because we as the both the countries all invested, you locked our into our defense and security. we all have all the time spending

well above the present to do to be that is the 12 before make a whole new member states. but of course we are still small countries. um you rely on um, on the, on the support of our partners and also on the ground that would be president in that, in, in all countries physically and to most of my thought decisions. i think of this, it might have been taken by a kind of government by the government vault charmer, germany, uh, and we are speaking about to the location of the gates of the, you know, within a couple of years. and so this we are building into the structure and uh, uh, and the big big capacities to, to, to welcome the of the german troops as a host nation. so i think a lot is happening funding around you. um, you say that you get more german soups on a couple of years, may be brigade strikes that's, that's a long time given what's going on, isn't it? well, you know,

you have been pressing hard to get these troops now having to and how many has been dragging its feet, isn't that right? i know i would not agree with you because what do we want to uh, discussing about would that be a permanent position in the military exercise based the station in the or whatever on, on call or depending on the situation increase on the, on the ground. so the result significant increase all the partners on the ground now, and this will continue. there is a significant increase of military exercises happens in the region and it is very important. but for the long term, there will be a significant increase on permanent presence. and i think this is, this is closer and the other ones is what would really happen in russia and directory attack. and they tell me, remember, since every decision is you say, requires consensus. how does that move in and start the member countries to suddenly agree on what to do with a major event like that? what kind of response did they give?

what level, what weapons, what warnings. um, a lot of people seem to assume that article 5 is like an emergency call and you dial up on the cavalry arrives. it's not like that. is it all i would say about uh, i would agree with this slide down about the article 5 uh more a couple of years ago. i would be worth more a couple of years ago that on board now because i this is amazing. the annual price of 24 february 2022, also uh 5. as a way to pull all the countries that were talking, there was a real, real mandatory fred, i mean we have the debate all the time as you probably know where both the countries my saying, you know, this is not about drawing much of the box. it's not at all complicated history, it's about the reality that we see in russia happening where the country is

becoming more and more imperialistic. and instead of giving the people of prosperity and economic growth, they will give the people propaganda and, and do are of the of the come through. and this happens, but i think this is, this was also a wake up call for nato as in the lines. and many things have to use and then sweden and finland decided to best for me to membership. and this is also a change in the, in the security of the region given back to a couple of years ago. nobody was not talked about. and you've been reading your power pointing, joining nato. now we have a new defense planning. we have new uh, new ledges for, for, for uh, what's on the ground. and i think this is, this is my for now be immediate danger for you and your region seems to be from hybrid wall sad things like damage to critical infrastructure. we saw of

a baltic connect to a gas pipeline between from the stone to which i sprung the mysterious leak. um, earlier this month, do you have any doubt that the pipeline was intentionally damaged? oh, i have my own theories by and then under the circumstances where the investigation isn't going, i will leave my mind to yours to myself and of course we will wait for it because you know of conclusions by finishing this don't you know how valuable does this incident make you feel and i think what is important is what we saw also in the new crime last or the best that the technical infrastructure. a and everything about this related to the 5 and the values is something back with an account to get. but she told us that easily, i mean, no, no, no boundaries have no barriers to this. and this is also a test situation where you can show that a company should feel more comfortable or should feel that they cannot control

everything. that is quite complicated to control everything and whatever and what haven't them across the country. but of course, we also uh learn our lessons and we also make uh make our own calculations. so we've increased the variance of the, uh, 5 to you, the safety measures for our critical infrastructure not long ago, was this invasion stop. because we know that russia, in many cases will consider or something like that, just for the sake of so to be really finally among the population. some of the number of concerns the thompson of your above your government is observance of human rights along your border. specifically with regard to migrant push backs and august 2021. the counselors commission of human rights. right. you're expressing concern that people attempting to enter this idea and then the regular matter may have been summer. labor tend to batteries in violation of your legal obligations.

you run the backside month saying all the people are treated in compliance with less you ideas, international commitments, several reports since then have contradicted your assurance while the reports since a role where you miss informed about the situation. well, i will have to agree, i don't know what reports you uh you refer to it, but i know what happens on my border. this is i know from 1st time so to say, and i know that it was the can apologies for arrangements off the fish and flow of migration to make a point again, poland meeting and lots of. yeah. to push them for lifting the sanctions again. it goes autocratic, uh looper. triangle or to, to make all the concessions because he just uh, found the way to do so. i mean, uh, i know what it was submitted and the international conventions. but i also know that the board is all there, and the boarders all that are,

they should be respect your constitutional court. in june this year, to class the georgia attention regime of the board, it was in conflict with all to go 20 of your constitution, protecting liberty. so they ones are the happier than the the human rights commission. whether, oh, we're speaking about one particular law part of the law and this part of the law is now on the bottom of the amendment. the. ready always in the bottom is this is a regular procedure that happens in the country where somebody uh refers to the constitutional court and constitutional court. sometimes the permission over legislation is not the language, which is what happens then. and the legislation being amended, allison international says it in 2022 alone lithuanian voter gods pushed people back to bellows moving 11000 times despite the risk of torture from officials that did you know that? oh, i know that there was a number of attends to illegally across the border company every day. i know that

there was a possibility to launch a request for political asylum in the border crossing point. and this is, i think, the procedure that should be follow to people once a real political and refugee, i'm the 11000 push backs as well. the number of people is not equal to the number of people who are not the same people attempt to cross the border each and every day. my 1st back, sorry, legal, legal, under international law and i under you law. oh, they are not something that to that to be fine. it's very convenient, but we have an extreme situation because on the increase of really doing migration douglas orchestrated by the top in our neighbor. so you're saying that just if i push back, i'm think that we need to protect the borders of europe in union premier. so let's talk briefly if we met about your poor relations with china, which took

a dive when you opened the taiwan representative office a sort of quite as i democracy 2 years ago, much to time is discussed. where are you being deliberately provocative for what, what, what did you hope to prove with this? oh no, we just opened the office now functioning, getting most if you are in the countries. but so you knew that it would upset. uh uh the chinese um, was it was it was, it was picking a fight with magic. you didn't get that much support from your, your own president said it was a mistake. it's not about the upset. i think the thing the chinese because it's the foreign decision off with union government to increase its relations or intensity of its relations with 500 people. and i see no problem there because it operates. and i think most of you repeating countries, the only uh question was that there was no new office is open in the recent like 17

or something years. but why should the union government know do this because it was not done in the recent 70 just, i don't know because it was how it is operating in so many european countries. so nothing seems to be that you wanted to teach everyone don't tech to around pa, full countries. that was a mistake. perhaps people made with rush, it was it, and you wanted to give an alternative view. oh, i think that with rough shot. so you might have all the all talk receives, we have the same, the same problem because it is not that you can push the way the other side, like speaking, you gently saving that phase is doing something, you know, what is what we usually do in, in in, in, in, out of the wall, if you will be allowed to be pushed, then you will be pushed to the corner from is the good to see my, you said thank you very much for being on company. so thank you. of the

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