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tv   Conflict Zone  Deutsche Welle  October 19, 2023 3:30pm-3:46pm CEST

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of what secrets lie behind these discovered new adventures in 360 degrees and explore fascinating. both heritage spelling, dw world heritage 360 now the, it's not getting the headlines these days, but the war in ukraine is lost. none of its intensity with both sides anxious to make games before the winter impedes the movements on the battlefield. from the if you i can use capital vilnius. my guess is the problem, is that in good that she money say? what i think is the most to show is that the country stay committed to providing the brain with what kinds of needs the financial positive needs. everything it needs the when the will as the will goes on. how much faith does she have in major plans for defending the voltage states? what about human rights and accusations for the border guards have been legally
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pushed back? my goodness, along the frontier with by the rules. and what take on by doing the diving this, you ideas, relations with china, off to taiwan, is allowed to open a representative office in the country with its name attached to it. what did you want to prove? you're very welcome to come pick time. oh, thank you for having me here right now. the new middle east conflict is dominating the world's headlines. how vital is it? the, the west stuff sometimes it's i of the bowling, you prayed. well, it is high so, and it's just the message that my colleagues from the government myself and also they like mine in this country. keep repeating. but i don't really think this will happen because of cost. it's so complicated to sort of work on a couple of problems. and it's natural that the new for that your information that comes from israel is a guy who's most probably now taking over the public to the public space and that
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the media coverage. but on the other side, the uh, the. 1 the problem i think, underlying in both cases, your brain and, and, and, and as well. and also is related because what, what we see here are both both bookcase. this is the fact that some of the people think that they can just brutally by force, rewrite the rules and dictates the democracy. do you worry the, those countries supporting you crying with weapons and ammunition might be less inclined to ship the supplies to care for? they've promised preferred box to keep them for themselves. i don't really think so because i think that most of the country do understand that the problem is long lasting and it's not about you know what your ship hoping you promised to to bring on. keep it for your phone, but the problem is much wider. the problem is
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a long time on the financing, on the uh, on, on the limited uh, situation of the defense and security in the most of the countries who, uh, position that you know that there, there is no real risk. and there are no real types to, to security, may be targeted, but not the, i'll try for the, i'll try military products. and of course the warranty frames has changed this understanding significantly and what the countries need, they need to increase that tension. so that'd be fine. some security, so i think the baltic countries of the countries in the region has done years ago and, but for this, you need also to increase the capacity of the military capacities. remember, democracies do have to produce 1st and foremost at the equipment they are telling me, i never think what is needed and this is not, you know that you can save on account of your brain and sort of feel, feel safe, are just much why the, it is, was much why the things that need to be done in the democratic world when it comes
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to the battlefield in ukraine, were you hoping for better results by now from the brand new forces as well? you know, uh frankly, i think this is uh, something that people will say it was uh, uh, come on, i'm just finding. but on the other side, uh, we must think, uh what, what's the rush out a lot to do during the time that the rain was not given and was not trying to even uh, to be given the watkins it needs. because the level of winding the level of a sort of problem that was created for, for the premium army within those couple of months, was so huge. that cost is a very hard work for your brain to, to break through. um, even more difficult. but when winter sets in, so everyone's in a hurry, the battle seems very finally follows, but the moment is not your impression as well. well, my impression is that the,
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the changes in the, in the, in the board a lie has, if i might say so long, not huge. and of course you're actually trying to about to erase some of the new attacks in, in, in, in the regional mode. and, and, and the new regional coupons, most probably to control the attention of the brain, an army from the problem solving from this home part. and this is, uh, this is the way, i mean, what russia will not count its losses because it doesn't care. lost his brain, it just like a huge challenge given by the just small country. it just the democracy has to charge my office. so in the end, yes, the winter winter time will be much more complicated than the summer and nor them everybody understand that. but i will still say that it's not for us, you know, to make inclusions or to make judgments on,
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on them. all. the successes will be bringing an army. we just need to be patient that we need to provide a grain with everything we can. and uh, and do everything we can to support the see that side forwards, independence, etc, territories and type. let's talk um, if we may have bought these you, of nato unity, especially since it's being reported that you might like to be the next nato secretary general. i don't know what you've sorry about that, but perhaps you'll smile says everything in you and you spoke of the global forum and telling me even you set the war, have cemented the unity of like minded partners across the world. europe, nato. the whole democratic world has never be more united and we must uphold this unity in and they tell us case, you spoke a little too soon. vince, you problem turn against do crime said last month it with the supply? any more weapons off of the current contracts or not, we'll have to see what the new government does. hungry won't ship any. it's old number as as of back here. not one round of ammunition more. that was the campaign
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soaking of the non rubber to feed. so who set to be the new prime minister? so this is not that unified, is it? wow, i'm a politician. so in most of the cases i separate the political republic, especially when you know that the elections, newman, from, from the, from the beach on the, on the ground. and it just not made so that this providing uh weapons and not to read to you brandy and uh, do you bring it in for it just comes from salt major or just members of nato, depending on what, what, what every country can do and isn't a profession to do, i will remind you that from the beginning of this slide to do with vision, like many countries, we're not in a position to provide any legal weapons to frame and the to the board to us. and it took a sort of this that's uh, understanding go all the time that's happened in the district of kia,
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who's with some of the countries to, to, to change his mind. and then to deliver the next range of was that was so much needed. so it is somewhat a different situation because it was never like uniform the same and all of a sudden now some countries are not doing it on the union union is not the military law in your union. it's more they have support for a, for a, for your brain, just sustain and solve the budget to really support the financial support. also supported the fifty's and up to now all the decisions that needed to be taken for the support of your brain. how by the, by the countries, by consensus. so uh yeah, it is not less than to know to, to, to, to, to less than somehow uh, sometimes those internal debate that happened. but when it comes to decision making,
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i will not be about pessimist. where are you on the issue of ukraine's membership of you and nato image of the accession to both organizations? oh, it's the most probably easier to say about the you because the process is rather horrible . and there will the evaluation off. uh you will be the commission upcoming this uh this autumn about all 6, not successful countries. why not only your brain but also mobile on others in implementing the interim steps. now they have to take to the bit for the socket negotiation. so right now they're fighting for european value, they're fighting for democracy. and so that it doesn't, that get taken into account. well, you know, you should not off this live union prime minister because the union prime ministers
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before my how many prime ministers and they're all what bidding for the geo political emphasis. all european union, just happy to train in european union before any invasions thought, even before i knew that before 2014. so no, they might hear, but the formal steps not will still be taken and it's, it's much for yeah. if you ask me, my understanding is very simple. if this all interesting to you right within the european family, same as with the family, but i'll listen these consensus around the table so it will take on let's, let's go back to nathan's, july, somebody in your capital values before it got underway, your foreign minister called public key for dates, way points as he put it, so as to tie down, you credit your membership, but they didn't get any was it was not as frustrating for you as it obviously was to your credit is positive landscapes. this is a blessing to,
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to understand that on one hand, there is a declaration that you praise belongs to me to family and some broad future. but on the other hand, to, to have this notion off of whenever i agreed. and the conditions not met with the way you do not know what, what exactly conditions are and in the minds of the, of the problem and focus formula. but i think uh your brain, i use every day that is so the price for the rights to be to belong to european union and nato. and this is something that the countries need to take into account . so of course, the debate will continue until upcoming washington summit, but of course, there are, there are countries that would the, that's what, so maybe they stopped it. but this is not the, of all the countries of what exactly it does. you can walk away from this much hide
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summit security guarantees from the g 7 countries from now that pretty much worthless. andre, reading the small print, the only from commitment by the g 7, was that in the event of a russian strep to ukraine, it would immediately consult with kia to determine appropriate next steps, a consultation more than 600 days into the largest conflict in europe since the 2nd world war and you can, can rely on what's a consultation. that's pretty, i don't think is live. i think your brain can rely and will rely for the foreseeable future on the real support on the ground from the partners military support the financial support. and it will be able to support the country needs now, not in, you know, in, in the future. in 10 years or in 15 years because this is michael, but your brain was as well. and one. 7 thing is the most crucial is that the country stay committed to providing the brain with weapons with needs the financial positive needs, with everything it needs to when the best of the dogs. but they won't do that. they
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will come to supply the weapons, you know, long so far i have no doubt so far. but looking at the look. 7 that is the best from uh, put in on the electron changes in, in many countries, hoping to 70 percent of your time use media evolve. you know, uh really there's a bar like in the us and all we are like awesome the western democracies. they all just terminated because they just comfortable for years or 5 years, i'm doing away. and of course this is you bet on, on, on the, on the change of political cycle. but i just think that this is that a real, i mean, this is a realistic. i don't think anything will change. so let's look if we may add some negroes planning to, particularly your region, the voltage region last year. your opposite number and estonia kaya carlos was pretty scathing about nato's defensive strategy for the baltic states under the
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alliance. as punk block, she said estonia, would it be wiped off the map by any russian a bronze? even if the intention was to lose estonia and liberate that later everyone, she said, could see that this trip was concept. doesn't really look, since that statement has nato done anything to rectify the situation? yeah, a lot because new defense plans have been approved before. so what before, but for everyone doing business needs what's on it. and the planning is a sort of based on the, on, on the real world assumptions. and it is a, it is a real defense plan. i would have to say. and of course, the approach all the partners because we have the both the countries all invested, you locked our into our defense and security. we all have all the time spending well above the 2 percent to do the b, not the. busy the phone calls before make
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a whole new mistake. but of course we are still small countries. um you rely on um, on the, on the support of our partners and also on the boats on the ground that would be present in that, in, in all countries. physically and to most of my thought decisions, i think of this is, might have been taken by a kind of government by the government, vault german, germany. uh. and we are speaking about to the location of the gates of the, you know, within a couple of years. and so this we are building into the structure and uh, uh, and the big big capacities to, to, to welcome the uh, the german troops as a host nation. so i think a lot is happening from the ground. you. um you say that you get more german troops and a couple of you guys may be brigade strikes that's, that's a long time given what's going on, isn't it? um, well, you know, you have been pressing hard to get these troops now having to.

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