to be boxed. busy as it falls off before, make a whole national member say, but says, of course we are so small countries um you rely on um, on the, on the support of our partners and also on the boats on the ground that would be present in that, in, in all countries physically and to most of my decisions i think of this is, might have been taken by a kind of government by the government, vault german, germany. uh, and we are speaking about to the location of the gates of the, you know, within a couple of years. and for this, we are building into the structure and uh, uh, and the big big capacities to, to, to welcome the uh, the german troops as a host nation. so i think a lot is happening on the ground. you run, you say that you get more german troops and a couple of years, maybe brigade strikes that's, that's a long time given what's going on, isn't it? um, well, you know, you have been pressing hard to get these troops now having to and how many has been

dragging its feet? isn't that right? no, i would not agree with you because what we were discussing about was that the apartment and stationing would not be a military exercise base station, india or whatever on, on call, or depending on the situation increase on the, on the ground. so there is a significant increase all the partners on the ground now, and this will continue. there is a significant result, military exercise of happens in the region and it is very important. but for the long term, there will be a significant increase on permanent presence. and i think this is the social and the other ones is what would really happen in russia and directory attack. and they tell me, remember, since every decision, as you say, requires consensus. how does that move inside the member countries to suddenly agree on what to do with a major event like that? what kind of response did they give? what level, what weapons, what warnings. um,

a lot of people seem to assume that article 5 is a, like an emergency call and you dial up and the cavalry arrives. it's not like that . is it? oh, i would say that uh, i would agree with this uh, slide down about the goes my uh more a couple of years ago. i would be worth more a couple of years ago that on board now. because uh, this is amazing. the annual pride of 24 february 2022, also uh 5 as a way to pull all the countries that were talking, there was a real, real mandatory fred, i mean we have the debate all the time as you probably know about the countries by saying you know, this is not about drawing much of the past. it's not about complicated history. it's about the reality that the receipt in russia happening where the country is becoming more and more imperialistic. and so instead of giving the people

of prosperity and economic growth, they will give the people propaganda and, and do are also also come through and this happens. but i think this is, this was also a wake up call for nato as in the lines. and many things have to use and then sweden and finland decided to best for me to membership. and this is also a change in the, in the security of the region given back to a couple of years ago. nobody would have thought about even reading your power point joining nato. now we have a new defense planning. we have new uh, new ledges for, for, for uh, what's on the ground. and i think this is, this is my for now be immediate danger for you and your region seems to be from hybrid wall sad things like damage to critical infrastructure. we sort of a bolted connect to a gas pipeline between from the starting to which i sprung the mysterious leak. um,

earlier this month, do you have any doubt that the pipeline was intentionally damaged? oh, i have my own theories by the and then under the circumstances where the investigation isn't going, i will leave my mind to yours to myself. and of course, we will wait for it because you know, of conclusions by finishing this don't you know how valuable does this incident make you feel? and i think what is important is what we saw also and you find last or the best that the technical infrastructure on the market and everything about this related to the 5 is the values is something about what the account to get. but she told us that easily as no, no, no boundaries and no barriers to this. and this is also uh check situation where you can show that a company should feel more comfortable or should feel that they cannot control everything. that is part of how people to control everything and whatever,

and what have them across the country. but of course we also uh learn our lessons and we also make uh make our own calculations. so we've increased the maintenance of the uh, safety safety measures for our critical infrastructure that long ago was this invasion stop. because we know that russia, in many cases will consider or something like that. just for the, for the. ringback so to be really fine, like i'm on the population funded to so they've been a number of concerns the time some of your above. your government is observance of human rights along your border. specifically with regard to migrant push backs and august 2021. the counselors commission of human rights, right. you're expressing concern that people attempting to enter in this way and yeah, and then the regular matter may have been summer, labor tend to batteries in violation of your legal obligations. you run the

backside month, say all the people are treated in compliance with lift you ideas, international commitments, several reports since then have contradicted your assurance. while the reports simply roll over you misinformed about the situation by law degree. i don't know what reports you uh you refer to it, but i know what happens on my border. this is i know from 1st time so to say. and i know that it was the can apologies, arranged as artificial flow of migration to make a point again, poland meeting and lots of to push them for lifting. the sanctions. begin against autocratic change or to to make other concessions because he just uh, found the way to do so. but i mean, i know what it was rented and the international conventions. but i also know that the board is all there. and the boarders all there. they should be respect your

constitutional court in june this year declared that your detention regime of the board of losing conflict with all to go 20 of your constitution, protecting liberty. so they want, are they happy of in the human rights commission, whether oh we are speaking about one particular uh part of the law. and this part of the law is now on the bottom and the amendment, the doors in the bottom. and this is a regular procedure that happens in the country where somebody uh, refers to a constitutional court and constitutional court. sometimes the permission over legislation is not the, which is what happens then. the legislation being amended advocacy international says within 2022 alone lithuanian border gods pushed people back to bellows moving 11000 times despite the risk of torture from officials that did you know that oh, i know there was a number of attends to illegally across the border company every day, i know that there is a possibility to launch

a request for political asylum and the border crossing point. and this is, i think, the procedure that should be follow to people once a real political and refugee. i'm the 11000 push backs as well. the number of people is not equal to the number of people who are not the same. people attempt to cross the border each and every day. my 1st tax are legal, legal, under international law and i under you law. well, they are not something that to that we find very convenient, but we have an extreme situation because on the increase of the migration that was august, right, that's by the shop. in our neighbor, so you're saying that justify perspex. i'm saying that we need to protect the borders of europe in union partner. so let's talk briefly if we met about your poor relations with china, which took a dive when you opened the taiwan representative office

a sort of quite as i democracy 2 years ago, much to china is discussed. where are you being deliberately provocative for what, what, what did you hope to prove with this? oh no, we just opened the office now functioning in most if you're in countries. but so you knew that it would upset. uh uh, the chinese was it was, it was, it was picking a fight with magic. you didn't get that much support from your your um president said it was a mistake. it's not about the upset thing going on. i think the chinese because it's the foreign decision, also with the government to increase its relations or investor relations with 500 people. and i see no problem there because it operates. and i think most of you repeated countries, the only question was that there was no new office is open in the recent like 17 or something years. but why should the union government know do this because it was

not done in the reason 70. yes, i don't know because it was how it is operating so many european countries. so nothing seems to be that you wanted to teach everyone don't tech. so around pa, full countries. that was a mistake. perhaps people made with rush, it was it, and you wanted to give an alternative view. oh, i think that with russia, so you might have all the all talk receives. we have the same of the same problem because it is not that you can push the way the other side, like speaking, you gently saving that phase is doing something, you know, what is what we usually do in, in, in, in, you know, off of the wall if you will be allowed to be pushed, then you will be pushed to the corner parameters. then i'm going to remind you, sir, thank you very much for being on company. so thank you of the

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