is when there's no flow of dung, the glad to mention finnic with the flat and grateful that it has lead me to ones them long after they show a crime against humanity you've in the jewish life has grown and blossomed again, and i don't understand all the mall between last and thoughts then not take sides to the phrase. they gave me the other day in gemini, worldwide when i condemn every in protecting the jewish institutions is kind of which we son witnessed recently, invalid. and they are, it's a disgrace has had fidgeting and now what's needed is i will also sleep determination. we protect jewish life. if we, when not the images are in the mean and or tentative dates are discrete. as in late with strengthening security for jewish construction, some to how many protection to it to his life is the responsibility of this phone done against the back to the history. it is the very foundation of our democracy, the ones with them over to you on the side of the mission of how democracy does not discriminate according to or if you go to your hands or religion,

everyone's valencia can on the funds often needs to know how stupid styles and needs to understand the responsibility that arises usually from the, from the country. lots of got the protection of jewish life in germany is a task of the state. and at the same time on sunday. so they do tioga fisch thoughts and, and i ask everyone to not even try to facilities, civic duties as i'm doing so in mind that we live in a democracy where freedom of assembly and freedom of expression. this is an essential value on filing. so as i said swim it's so freedom is enticing medicade speech, golden tongues and jewish and synagogues, the tax on police officer name on, on fi heights are not tough to an exercise of free of our 10 product criminal acts as a diesel, vague. and so i expect everyone to you to respect these rules 900 to a peaceful coexistence dad's ovens. i will set you to evans of these rules is

a prerequisite for living together in a democracy. thank you very much. so you're watching d. w that was addressed by the german present at frank about the stine, by a to the families of a gentleman, the hostages, who were taken a couple of weeks ago in, by how mass builder, since listening in a to a best to address is the w, is the senior political analyst, the building, the crane, 1st initial salesman, a deep embassy. they are at the beginning for the individual of families and, and a very personal expression of compassion and sorrow from the president. and then toward the end of a very,

very powerful condemnation of anti semitic attacks. we have seen anti semitic incidents on the rise since i'm us attack against israel and a very, very strong statement. they are from the president that this will not be tolerated . that as important as freedom of expression is it does not include the right to denigrate, choose the right to express antisemitic hatred, that every person who lives here must know what else fits was about, must know the history of the holocaust. and that, that is a civic duty of all who live here and that germany does not discriminate on the basis of religion and will not tolerate any such thing. now all of this comes with the background of these protests that we have seen that were not simply protest expressing support or solidarity with palestinian civilians. but that went the far

beyond that to express anti semitic sentiments. and this is a, as he said, something that germany cannot and will not tolerate. because as he, as he mentioned, the founding of the state of israel is essentially part of the history of the federal republic of germany due to germany's responsibility for the holocaust. and therefore, the lead for very, very strong action here. and i thought particularly those closing words that will be a message that will be welcomed by many sharon germany who has been horrified to see, for example, malta, us cocktails, thrown out a set of dogs not far from where you and i are sitting at this moment just this week that is a very terrible reminder of course, of, of the incidents that lead up to world war 2 and the holocaust and, and for anyone who has followed germany's attempts to deal with that painful

history, it will be, as he said, deeply disgracing and shame thinks not certain that the credit is dw is a senior political alex, thank you. so let's continue then to talk about the issue of hostages and hostage negotiations. we can bring in that get health. conrad used to work for job and is the foreign intelligence agency. he had the experience mediating between israel and thomas and helped me go say the 2011. release officially the soldier. glad. shelly, welcome to dw. so what, what else i noticed, so israel says that how must have taken between 10200 hostages. why do you think that being held to like a hooker they will be held in safe places uh underneath that means in the tunnel system of kaiser distributed possibly nowadays in

the view of uh forthcoming a drunk forces operation. and then also, scholars are possibly more into solid, rented in a knowles, but not in one case, that would be unlikely, and they will be placed in order to protect their abductors, the hostage takers, in. first of all, explain to us what, what do you mean by that? they'll be placed to protect a batter adaptive, a vision of the proximity, as i mentioned, the proximity of the decision making. um that uh, people uh, off uh from us, uh, the trust military leadership product leadership as far as they are in a contract. uh that means. so if you want to hit them uh your risk hitting the dosages. so what, what, what, what back to this, this notorious uh, how massachusetts acumen shield and i can, we can only, we can only speculate, but you're pretty sure that's still inside the tapestry there, but it has been taken away. that would be are quite outlined dish because

that would assume that the mouse would it being able to the smart of them out via a tunnel to egypt and territory. there are no other options, rice and the practicalities of looking after a so many babies, children, women, the elderly, one of whom, a holocaust survivor, the private colleges, looking after them in such stressful circumstances. that it is all likelihood that a challenge on the one hand, on the other hand, we could just you that the home us is looking very well uh after themselves. so that means they are privileged in terms of the food in terms of beverages and song . they won't share the same fate as the fellow kind of thing, and so i'm off so it could be possible for them. although i could imagine that the caring for the most vulnerable

a person's among the hostages might be a challenge, might be as role a reason for hopefully releasing them earlier than all the others. right. and all we clear what thomas wants in order for the hostages to be released him in principle, yes, although we will have to ask ourselves whether how mouse ever expected to have a train 200 roughly 200 hostages. because, and of course, as such a diverse, let's say, a group of hostages, of being heavy by nationals from quite a number of international country or unconventional actors, countries for, and countries. so this is the 1st i know is just to keep them in order to, to, to safe got their own lives. so that means how most attractive lives. the 2nd a might be then to negotiate or to enforce it kind of must be 9 by the

acceptable outcome of the war for them or how much. and the 3rd one, if they achieve that is of course, to negotiate within the frameworks, we know the release of the maximum number of hosting and prisoners and israel. so you know, the, say 4500 or possibly 6000. we don't know. and that they will for sure off the mont uh to have them released or okay. we can, i can speculate for us, how do negotiations begin? who talks to who and how, especially when both sides have said we will not talk well that's, that's true for the moment. of course nobody will talk no, as long as the guns have not just fall inside of that. so that means in the end. uh,

if there is no way to, to in, in far so they are the eas and as you know, this is a quite a challenge to say the very least. and then uh, and then that will be negotiations in direct one's of course make a ticket or a tool or like a web page because egypt maintain so channels uh to both sides. as we do look at your own personal experience with the they is what i told you. i glad that charlotte, charlotte thomas held him for 5 years, even rejecting requests from the red cross to visit him to check on his welfare. when you worked on those negation negotiations, what was the breakthrough? what was the thing that made you think? now we're starting to get somewhere? well, or as i said, the if, if the war one days over then come off. if it still exists out, this is one of the crease. now, the question is,

who will then be that negotiating side from home aspect? let's assume someone will be best. and then the end, if the hostages of they are as well, someone will have to decide how to release them. and if a mouse or a successor has still a kind of power negotiation power that will do that. and the, the, the time to speak will come when her mouse or its successor or who shall ever gave us a kind of signal. we don't know, we are not aware of whether there are some tentative factions may be on the on po, humanitarian grounds. that might be a, might be interest attempt. i don't know. people, countries, governments sometimes indicate that they are exercising, that most of the efforts to do so. this might be just park,

i hope that is something behind that. but the time being, as i said, i'm us will insist as long as it exists, the to get the kind of guarantees for their own. so by the 1st basic line. and the 2nd one is to the mom, the maximum of concessions for what is the right side. that's the frame where the warranty and a pallet. that's a question. thank you so much. maybe i said hostage negotiator, come get how to conrad, thank you. thank you. so are you a secretary general on side of the terrace has visited the wrath of border crossing between egypt and gaza. he's calling for it to be allowed to open in order to allow aids to reach palestinians because there is facing shortages of fuel food and medicines. the one says more than 2000000 people on a risk of dehydration. unwarrantable and diseases always counting 8 or waiting at the crossing, but not being currently allowed into gaza. us as

a 100 truck loads of a to needed every day. it's a good to address the situation requires extraordinary humanitarian measures. unfortunately, these is not a lot of money, many federal price, and it's an operation in the zone. and that is the reason why i have appeals. what are you manufacturing ceasefire? not that i can see that through manufacturing ceasefire is a pretty condition for the manufacturing delivery. we don't want to punish the guys the people twice, 1st, because of the war. and 2nd, because of the lack of humanitarian aids. but it is clear that too many billions to spire would make good savings much easier and much safer for every bobby janice, coming out, go out and joins us from the egyptian capital. a kind of welcome back to dw talk

history, while putting this crossing is so complicated that way we're all expecting that with the presence of the un generic secretary, it will open today. that was the original idea. i guess if i said this, then like is, it seems negotiations going on in the background about the conditions and to all of this, the don't forget that has to be coordinated with many sites in which is read was how much that of course, after all was easiest to didn't know and you ship this very unhappy was only the 20 trucks supposed to be allowed to unit the 1st time. you should the months more sustainable, 8 the degree. and on the other hand to these really is a 2nd condition. so they wouldn't guarantees that the 8 doesn't end up in the hands of my mazda and says, somewhere between this oldest positions a 10, know the 4 digit don't. so are we clear who has closed the board?

it because i keep hearing it egypt saying, well, we're ok, israel saying, well i'm, we're okay, it's vacant. gotta make those those guarantee. so who, which side of the of this crossing is actually closed? i mean this border, it was close to it because it also partially because it was bumped bought it's 4 types for the is really side of the policy in the end of the for the in the it has to be fixed. the law states because the streets to the border for the finest insights was that was the usable. but as i said, it's not the one site that's looking at there is negotiations going on. it. we own the open if all the sites right, and that is the you in israel, how much is it you just agreeing? and ultimately it's not the one sided decision by ship to open this border. so we have these 20 lar, is of a waiting to.