hostages because and of course as such a diverse as a group of hostages uh, being a heavy bind nationals from uh, quite a number of, uh, international come through international actors, countries for and countries. so um, this is the 1st i know is just to keep them in order to, to, to safe got their own lives. so that means how most attractive lives. the 2nd a might be then to negotiate or to enforce it kind of must be 9 by the acceptable outcome of the war for them or how much. and the 3rd one, if they achieve that is of course, to negotiate within the frameworks, we know the release of the maximum number of hosting and prisoners and his role. so you know, the say 4500 or possibly 6000. we don't know. and the they will for sure off the mont uh to have them released or okay,

we go again, speculate for us. how do negotiations begin? who talks to who and how, especially when both sides have said, we will not talk well, that's a, that's true for the moment. of course, nobody will talk no, as long as the guns have not yet fall inside of that. so that means in the end, uh if there is no way to, to in, in far so they are the eas. and as you know, this is a quite a challenge to say, the very least. and then uh, in the and that will be negotiations in direct one's of course made j did or a tool like a web page image because egypt maintain so channels uh to both sides as we get a look at your own personal experience with the, the, is really sold you, i glad that charlotte, charlotte thomas held him for 5 years, even rejecting requests from the red cross to visit him to check on his welfare.

when you worked on those make aisha negotiations, what was the breakthrough? what was the thing that made you think? now we're starting to get somewhere? well, that, as i said, the, the if, if the war one days over then come off. if it still exists out, this is one of the crease. now, the question is, who will then be that negotiating side from home aspect, let's assume someone will be best. and then the end if the hostages of they are as well, someone will have to decide how to release them. and if a mouse or a successor has still a kind of power negotiation power, they will do that. and the, the, the time to speak will come when, how miles are its successor or who should ever be able to kind of signal. we don't

know, we are not aware of whether there are some tentative factions, maybe on the on po, humanitarian grounds that might be, might be interest attempt. i don't know. people, countries, governments sometimes indicate that they're exercising, that most of the efforts to do so. this might be just park, i hope that is something behind that. but the time being, as i said, i'm us will insist as long as it exists, the to get the kind of guarantees for their own. so the 1st basic line and the 2nd one is to the mom, the maximum of concessions for what is the right side. that's the frame where the warranty and be a pallet. that's a question. thank you so much. maybe i said, hostage negotiator, come get how to conrad. thank you. thank you. because we've been hearing. if israel

does launch a ground defensive into gaza, it'll have to deal with a sophisticated network of tunnels under the tattered tray being used by how my son's other estimates groups. perhaps hundreds of columbus as long it's known as the cause. a metro one of many is rarely airstrikes on garza, this one targeting cause tunnel network. according to the israel defense forces court i. d. f. destroying the tunnels used by the militant is lemme screw come, us has long been a priority for israel's military. the network runs underneath garza connecting its cities running to the board with israel and also connecting the strip with egypt. the tunnels, let militant store weapons launch attacks and are believed to contain how most command centers, because those tunnels are also lifelines to the outside world. passage ways for importing essential goods, as well as weapons under a long standing is really blockade. this animated video released by israel shows

what they suppose that they looked like inside militant as limits. tomas has been developing the tunnel networks since they came to power in 2007 recently i'm us claim that tunnel network is 500 kilometers long. as another to hottest groups use tunnel exits, basically holes in the ground to launch rocket attacks on israel. the launches are then brought back underground. that makes them nearly impossible for israel to see or target. israel has tried bombarding the tunnels and 2014 in 201720212 destroy the network without success, but with significant civilian casualties. the tunnel network is reportedly woven underneath marketplace as apartment blocks and hospitals. so how will these rel deal with these titles? if it does not a ground offensive, i asked coby michael that senior research at israel's institute for national security studies is the only option to be made to the store to demolish these huge

infrastructure is by the ground force ration gone wrong force and torres to the gulf stream and it cannot be totally eliminated from here. and this is a exactly the next stage of the, of the store and the it will take you while i'm really just not that piece of cake . it's another 6. the war that you're going to last weeks, even months. but the, the 1st stage, the, the, i assume and if we lost something like a 2 weeks, you might say the most significant center is a gravity of these a, of these styles and be safe for softer and later on. we will have to continue to clean things dial gather stream from the know to the boulder with egypt in order to finalize the issue of the nation. right. okay, so we have a situation where,

where essentially talking about to of and wolf are going to house to house a streets to street complicated by the existence of these tunnels, from which, how much uh, medicines can just pop up and launch any number of surprises at at ease, right before that space has been described by many people looking at the situation as just a trap, waiting for israel to walk into yes. how much is waiting for us? and they uh, took into consideration the doctor shop chair and they bark bark attack. uh would it be uh, a ground force uh address. and then they probably this trash uh, i believe that they really the, they know what is the and the pricing generalities was supposed to be the easily model. so for the end,

the job is to surprise them to do something that they do not expect us to do. and then is the original that the we have to accumulate that very accurate intelligence . we have to exhaust that, we have to remember that they are at fault, and today's all the wrong. it's not so easy to be such a long period of time, other than wrong. they are exhausted and they will be more exhaustive. and we will try and we will come with uh, our surprises and the, i believe that the, at the end of the day, the model machine for structure will be the mortgage. right? so, and the further complicating factor is that we, we are presuming that the hostages are being kept underground in these, in these tunnels near how much control sense is waiting for is riley troops to perhaps kill them in their efforts to destroy the mass infrastructure.

yes, you're right, the shopping that the dramatically complications operation missions, by the way i think one of the reasons is that the we are not there yet because a i believe that the, the they usually start to abuse and die. you have to think about the very creative ways to risk fuel hostages bought the repeating the original box. i mean them, not all, not only those suggest it'll be, it'll already come. i'll give you the line and we have to understand, we've told her we are really, we are dealing with the bar has mothers. and the, at the end of the day they should be, they must be eliminate that all of them from the 1st of the last, the, the, and the in the version john usually has to do all the force together with the shipping to the community in order to pressure to come boss, and how about most of the stand, the disability and most of them are liable and not as and your family the,

the very wrong, pretty simple selection. we realize your between be terrible because the idea of that is what i see is that home, another citizen, she will be distinguished from the other or is where she does. is it something that cannot be following, or i don't want to thank you with the cost. okay. i think so. i'm not going to go back to endeavor 1976, but the event, this is something that came up in the okay, the use of your from us. thank you for joining us of outlining that for us could be michael with the institute for national security studies. i'll take a look at some of the stories. now i'm, we'll start here and by the end where the police classroom activist, as a pro palestinian protest last night wasn't a 170 people were arrested in thousands of offices. injured with ours is a bottom similar demonstrations, an attempt to prevent anti semitic incidence. palestinians to pass and friday,

present the in east jerusalem is right. the forces bod worship, as aged and the 50. from entering the alex a most secure seeing the results are tight and i'm some roads closed. of course, in russia has extended the detention of a journalist accused of violating the law on foreign agents. also who i'm a shave that works for radio free europe radio liberty, which is funded by the united states, just a 2nd to rest here on this to be arrested in russia since the impatient of the crate. is a great reminder about top stores that based on your and secretary general antonio terrace has visited the rafa border crossing between egypt and gaza. call for it to be reopened in order to allow aids to reach kind of fig, causing a space and shortages of fuel food and mentions. jim and foreign minister on the line of apple cos calls for the immediate release of hostages being held by how am i speaking after the meetings, where he is writing leadership?

she said israel has the right to defend itself to the protection of civilians. sample also and as a new humanitarian aid package, full cost will use at the top of the out and around the clock on the w dot com. thanks and have a good the

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