the way you world heritage, 360 you get the app now when we say they're about never giving up every weekend on dw, the us crisis, diplomacy is in full swing. the recently re ignited monday's conflict is just one of the many products we have and was that the us is gonna be having to deal with the president by didn't have made a false de, as try and match prime minister. and even now, following the audio deployment tools to us and draft count here is to the mediterranean to deter it on at the same time. but us government is also supplying weapons on financial support in the russian water progression against ukraine. a

situation that many of us have started to find full well that makes me my child nomic as primary geopolitical arrival, as busy and expanding its global insurance. and at the philip drilled summit is the us having too many balls to juggle left one court. she important altima to be the ones to reap the benefits. go down to the point we ask. so the file on the street, how many people, the conflict, the us, colquitt, the hello, and welcome to to the point i'm you shop. how do i sign in here? in berlin, let me quickly introduce my guess to we have the co longer. he is senior fellow to munich, security, confidence, and former chief of staff of the job in ministry of defense. max on the bottom of joseph ramos. he is a political on the list. i the europe and director of the trial after the

commission of global platform for dialogues between america, europe, and asia. and we have sued ha, david web. she is a senior fellow and divisional director of the gentleman and marsh refund in but a very long back them to you or thank you for joining so that there is the middle east crisis right now. then we also have ukraine and russia, and then we also have china, taiwan, which of all of these crisis is something that bothers us the most, which is the most dangerous one where they need to focus most at the moment. but i think unfortunately all 3 are inter connected and there is an issue where the u. s. has to pay attention to all $3.00 crises in the world, hopefully together with allies, because without doing it together with partners, the us will probably at some point and is already feeling overstretched. i think there was an expectation that europe will do more for ukraine eventually,

especially as the u. s. enters and election here. the middle east is focusing a lot of energy of, for the us administration right now. and that's, we've seen this, you know, playbook in the past. many us presents get embroiled in middle east policy. but i think at one point present, bide, will have to pivot towards his re election. may go to use has been of shooting away from the middle east for some time and focusing more on china and buses. but now be was feel the need to focus more on the middle east. what do you say about their back in the role of global share of as well as we can clearly see is when the us started to retreat from certain areas of the world, the situation got worse. one of the reasons is that the europeans been not capable of filling the gap themselves. but now we see america has to be a decisive factor in many uh, crisis that we have your pin unity when it comes to supporting your training

construction. the question is the chief ment of department industry, so that's a lot the new chief went up to europeans themselves, but i agree with sort of i mean, if the us has to dedicate so many resources to the conflicts we are talking about, i think the europeans have to step up, especially when it comes to supporting ukraine. and we have not, not observe us and is a dramatist interest are in europe, they are in the middle east. they are in asia. so germany cannot expect the u. s. helping to fulfill germany's interest germany has to get involved. so if i could just also clarify before you go to joseph, and the reason that all 3 of these countries are interconnected is because they're all the front lines of democracies and very dangerous areas. and it's in the united states interest as well as partners to defend democratic values and also to try to all pulled an already stressed international rules based international order.

joseph, would you say it was a strategic mistake to disengage from the middle east within them? i think so, and we sent signals of witness, but may have in bold and the one or the other dictator. i mean, when bulk obama, we all loved him, but he drew a red line in syria and it turned out to be a pink line. you know, that's not how to turn to work. so you said that if, if you use chemical weapons, we will. and so no. and so from washington, the withdrawal from afghanistan and didn't look how like to other as part of right . so they, they may not be forgiven, but the, they may have calculated america's weak, has problems to defend its own democracy. we may have to talk about trump and frontline of defending democracy. i think that's in america because we all depends on the america. so the russians,

the chinese and all the others cannot do to us what america is doing to itself right now. so that's the biggest problem. so add everything together, then we don't have to god, you know, through based order, which used to be america. and we have to live in the world now that has been described the site and brenda we woke up, we woke up late, but hopefully we stay awake and not dream or sleep walk into the next crisis is woke up late, but finally woken up. so at the moment the middle east seems to be the top priority for the us government. the us wants to ensure that the conflict does not escalate beyond garza. it's a dangerous trip at a highly explosive time. the west president is visiting israel with a clear message. i want you to know you're not alone. you're not alone. this is on for sided earlier. we will continue to have israel's back, as you were to defend your people. us diplomacy is in full swing. israel

cuts are saudi arabia, egypt, secretary of state antony blinking, is touring the middle east to mediate and find solutions. under discussion is also the precarious situation of the palestinians trapped in the gaza strip. in cairo, the us and egypt are discussing how to get aid from egypt into gaza without triggering a fear to mass exodus into egypt itself. at the same time, america is sending clear military signals. it is moving funder chests and more warships to the region. above all, the move is about the turns not only for homos, but also for other terrorist organizations and supported by iraq, such as has beloved in 11 on most recently us peace efforts had focused primarily on reconciliation between saudi arabia and israel. but the war is now re shuffling

the cards and them at least can the us preventive broader war flaring up in the region. so now your thoughts and that can be us really prevent trading up the war industries and can bite and really continue this . i mean, right now, president biden, the us is still the leading force in the world, the leading power, the leading edge them on and present binding must do something to try to stop a coastal duration of the middle east. but he can only do it also with partners to counsellor schultz was also in egypt on a little bare bach is, was also in the middle east. so it is in our interest to make sure that the stability can be achieved. but 1st and foremost, israel does need to react to what happened last week and how much is sort of discredited itself as a party to negotiate with the come off must be dismantled and israel has the right

to exist. but certainly the hope is that eventually this 2 state solution to get back on track and a, you know, a warming of relations between saudi arabia and israel can move forward. but 1st, the hostages need to be released. and israel also has to make a statement. and not let what happened last week go on answer since you mentioned shows how well the to was its different shows of and vitamins when it comes to the outcomes. well, i mean, 1st off because of the horrible tragedy what the hospital president biden was not. i didn't get the opportunity to meet with the boss and with other are leaders. and chancellor schultz managed to meet have a meeting in egypt. so, but i still think that what the us does, what it signals comes 1st and the europeans usually fall in line. or there may be

nuances that would maybe help the situation. but for the most part, i think your and the us must try to remain in lock step just as they have done with ukraine. can us continue the task of mediation of the audibly those refused to meet with? i think so. um, i mean the situation about the, the, the tragedy when it comes to the hospital as well. okay. now, um and uh, i think the combination of sending a carrier strike group and uh, sending diplomats uh is the right one. and it's only to us can provide this, unfortunately, we do as europeans, we do not have those instruments at our disposal. that is our weakness. we have to work on as the distinction between the terrible organization home us and i wrote population in gauze. i think it's very important. unfortunately we in germany,

i'm not good enough in making that distinction of sofa. what i've seen from the u. s. is something i think that could be helpful and we have to see it say it's early . but so far as working during his blog of from joining uh, the war against east what it, i think is the most important immediate issue. many sort of developments would develop on that. and so far i think that you as a setting to write to them, they're spit out about 2000000 civilians in gauze and half of which are children is to you was working on getting go humanitarian caught it. all for them are doing that. but what is more important is that there are not more of that. so to keep a bows his ball are out of the war and the run. so the clear signal, the terence, it's important as bad as it is right now. it could be a lot worse, so that's, that's the most important. so this doesn't enlarge. and then us are the only credible voice who can do both assure security. they are the

security guarantee or even of israel. i mean, who would have sought that israel would be surprised like that? i mean the, this, this has been amazing to many of us, so it needs america, but america is own only the other 4. so can also say, don't overdo it, don't make the same mistake as we did off the $911.00. so military forces, not the only solution. i mean by no is a, what americans are talking about it. so if we did that, we would have a problem, especially we in germany. uh, but america is credible on that one. 0, i think if, if somebody manages its, the american president, they've gotten his health would, would allow for the present in fine did just that. i mean, he talked about israel's right to self defense, but also differentiated between how most of the palestinian people and also mentioned that you know, there has to be who may way to let civilians cross. and so i do think that

president biden has also told israel, don't let revenge consume you. think about what your next steps are. and i do think that president biden still wants to somehow achieve a 2 state solution. don't forget, present 5 and president obama didn't have the best relationship with nothing. yahoo, and so i do think that president biden loves israel, but is also aware of the different tires that are on the table. and he's best with his experience. he's the best person we have to try to get him some stability back into the body to, to eat is still not treating that as before and they're working on it. i mean, i know that they're working on it as well. right? there is a constant shuttle diplomacy going on right now, and hopefully there will be a break through now, a lot of explicit saying that if a ground defensive, which has planned, if that happens, that's probably not very good idea. is it too late, or can it still be stopped?

we don't know what the idea is really planning. i think they are doing well and no telling anybody the ground, so the ground defensive as an assumption. and from a strictly military point of view, drive defensive and the density populated area is always a very, very difficult, long and dangerous endeavor because it develops into 3 dimensional welfare. the problem is, i think the time us using to civic population of the area of to avoid being hit by i d. s. and it's i think a combination of special operations and drug abrasions that can maybe find a way around it. but let's be clear, this tetra tech on israel still needs to from a point of view of the security of the sort which is also is on the top of germany

. that needs to be an answer to that. and i share the view of id after the how mazda is a terrorist organization needs to be destroyed, to provide security for israel. and the question how to have a distinction again to separate the terrace from us and to population. that one's a, just a normal civil life is something that we didn't pay attention enough to. i think also for the last the kids because they wouldn't be possibilities to organize a better life and goes, uh, there were different possibilities before. but how much was taking over the authorities? i'm not playing the role that they could have played. maybe there is a way to transform this into a situation where, but alive as possible and goes off to this. the ground defensive has been an assumption. but if it were to happen with the us, the support as far as financially and technically, of course, there's no question about that. that's what biden made clear. and if in that case,

if it's what i will to dig, go the strip, then us would still continue. sure. okay. clear what? i'm talking about the garden sentiment in the us. how well people in america looking at this? well, i think the sympathy was very much with israel. um, but of course, you know, there is a split and the democratic party to some degree. you do see people also in college campuses. unfortunately, i think not necessarily look having enough information and realizing the difference between hom, us on the palestinian people. and so i do think that the, the government, no matter republican or democrat, will always support israel, just like for germany, israel is an important, valuable partner for the united states. but i do think that the united states also would like to see a 2 state solution, no matter how, how hard it is that goal should not be given up. we've made now,

obviously move backwards on that path. but hopefully, as make a long said, it may take a tragedy to try to get people to talk about this again, or you want to, it's not necessarily, but i mean, what policy makers want to do is one thing. i mean, it's clear in germany and us, but the take out of states, you know, this abrams of course, i think that's off the table the right now, edwards, this is nicole calculation of i'm us of only at the expense of its own people to gain power was in published in you for the territories of those that's there cynical, paul game and to destroy that piece of movement because they would be out of business. i mean, the war fighters, terrorist on a, not in a good position when there will be peace and are up states who have neglected, you know, the 2 state solution. i mean they,

they weren't really interested when you remember, we can leeks and what all of they said, and then the not did. and now they have to be aware of that population, not only in homage, you have to be careful. what is it? because there's so many people who do not differentiate, i mean, in these regions of the world, i mean, the leaders have to be careful not to be swept away by the that's folks so, so let's not be too optimistic about about peace solutions. let's just contains a situation and, and avoid a get a bigger was going to contain the situation and think carefully about what our contribution from a drug and into a pin point of view should be. because yes, we are on the side of you. so it is, it's very clear, yes. do we have different magic possibilities and the trends the show that show that with, with going to chiral. but at the same time, it sounds better adults, but more support for ukraine. from a military point of view could be exactly what the needed was. the focus of to us

is necessarily very much on the middle east. and did you ask us, do only well, really, which went to, to a storage chief of solution in the, in the middle east. so it's again the connection between the, between the different conflicts but, but i'm convinced we need to step up now to support ukraine to diff biden more headspace to work also on other issues. and also to build a bridge to what's the result of discussion into us. i think if the europeans would contribute more and be on, i love it when it comes to head for your brain also the whole argument for a bunch, it would be easy. i wouldn't, you know, i'd like to come back to you cleaning a bit. the us government currently is not only facing challenges on the international front, but it also and competing significant holders and the domestic politics, particularly from the republicans as domestic politics,

us person and fight and took office with the aim of reconciling a deeply divided society after the polarizing trump years, he wanted to bring the political camps closer together so far without success. there was chaos in the house of representatives. there were a bunch of disputes, and donald trump may well stand again as biden's, republican opponent, the ukraine war. the counsel offensive is threatening to become a bloody trench war. new funding for lessons to ukraine is being blocked by the domestic political turmoil. power struggle with china. here too, there was hardly any progress on delicate points of contention, such as tie one more advanced technology. despite so many crises, the us as a serving itself also with respect to the middle east and ukraine or the united states of america. for god's sake. most powerful nation of the history is not in

the history of the world. the history of the world. we can take care of both of these and still maintain our overall international kelly, us manage multiple crises at once. so that can for us manage to was at the same time it has domestic issues to deal with as well. sure. the united states can definitely manage polly christmas world that we live in, but we can't do it alone. we need to do it with partners. and also says, but present button has to be careful, of course, about domestic sentiments because the american people are tired. these, unless wars i'm ever since, you know, after george w bush has been in office, america has shown more of a straight. but unfortunately, or fortunately, it seems clear that the united states has to maintain a presence, has to show deterrence. otherwise, the rules of the jungle will, you know, be sort of the rules that we have to contend with. so unfortunately,

also the united states, because everything actually is relatively going well, the economy is quite strong compared to other industrialized countries. but we seem to have be making our own goals because of our polarization and inability to work together in dc. and we're seeing that playing out right now in the house of representatives. you were talking about you claim. now ukraine is concerned that the middle east crisis would have an impact on them and they might not get the financial aid that they've been getting. is the concern justified? think their concern is about the combination of the specific situation and the political system into us. and then on the approval of budgets and to the attention to us as know, dedicating to the middle east and then ukraine. it's a very practical metro. it's not about political support because of all military support. and if m edition is running out of certain types of weapons are running out, then ukraine will have a weaker position and russia at the same time while we are talking is trying to

gain the initiative to cease to initiative on the battlefield. because they know that it is a problem for ukraine if the us report with not be there anymore. as we can see, we will see if the us will find a solution. there is talk about 100000000000 package that much include help for you . and for your train and other elements as well that can solve the situation, but to us as to elect to speaker for us than the time is running and russia is attacking that is the situation as we speak. so i think also that points to a necessity, that the europeans stepping up also took care of for ukraine, more confidence in the situation because it changes the calculations clearly already on the russian side, us of the republican guns are not able to agree on the speaker how does that affect americans reputation across the world? well, it shows that we're paralyzed and we're dysfunctional and washington because there is a lot of bipartisan consensus when it comes to ukraine. if you look at the senate,

republicans and democrats both think that ukraine is in the national interest, and i'm, and the same goes with israel. i think in both chambers of the congress that support for israel is a must. but without having a speaker there can no laws can be passed, no money can be allocated towards these regions. and so we're facing a situation where the us is looking like a banana republic when it comes to governing. if bartonville to dissolve one of these conflicts, how would that help him in the upcoming elections? or? i think he will try to tell soleski if he hasn't done so far. i think he has done so far to come to terms with some solution because fighting doesn't want to have ukraine issue in the election. it's not only unpopular was republicans. let's look at the front on this. nobody wants to really defend ukraine . you have actually called rivera people worry about his house, you know,

sometimes they get in the wrong movie. i mean, you hear reassured us in munich at the munich security conference, but he couldn't make a deal with event a speak of my car. so because they did you crying support out, and now the last deal they made, it was at the expense of ukraine. so ukraine is not an issue you run on to win an election in us. so don't be surprised if by nobody runs on foreign the dental i guess i would see some she yeah, but let's put it differently by and we'll try to get you crate out of the electoral campaign because he has a son who is still in the bar ridgemont in new york, right. and this and, and, and democrats don't want to have that. so i'm afraid ukraine. i'm sure i agree with you will be all problem. america is different problems, especially nice and china. read and it just costs you've created a div with we say they have to come to terms that does not change the situation. the reality is shaped by the reality on the battlefield. we have lost them 2nd so that you disagree you. how do i, i mean, nobody runs on foreign policy issues in the u. s. and when it comes to projects on

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