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the, the words people have to say is too much that's why we listen. because every weekend on d w the everything that he knows about his roots. he's inside the suitcase. paul redmond was born in an irish mother in baby home. just a few days after his birth he was given up for adoption. ready this letter is only linked to his birth mother. ready this semester is a personal touch. it's something she wrongs at something she touched. so it's,
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it's some sort of physical connection. the physical connection. it might not have a hold or a kiss, but at least you got something to talk to in the hallway. these are the survivors of a scandal that is still rocking ireland born and catholic institutions and still trying to discover their identity and trace their birth parents the the seemingly tranquil town of tomb and western ireland. a place that and a core again, just can't seem to forget. this was once the size of a mother in baby home run by catholic nuns, up to 1961 unmarried women were sent here to give birth. the remains
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of 796 infants live here. this is the, the list of the children who died in the home. here, john does mantell and he died 15 months. john, her older brother was born and apparently died here. and then there is william. what happened to and his brothers there was no official grave for decades, the nuns didn't just hush off the high rate of child mortality in the home. they also humiliated and neglected even the very youngest of children. and a still doesn't know what really happened to her brother is here. it's a very strange position to be in because i have one brother here. i mean has a death search. so i'm, that's blue, but he's here. i have another brother who's dead. does he have a death certificate? no reason for that. and i'm also led to believe he's here, but yes,
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he's not on the names of the 796. are these 3 carmel larkin, walter, frances and p j, have or t survived the home, into the full deal for hello, hello. hello, walter, how are you? i'm with there. i just came in to add a quarter again, met them 8 years ago, shortly after the scandal made international headlines. oh, i was looking at impairments constant. they could be my brothers because the age pro 5 for c a you are filling in from a parents. i knew nothing about my mother's thing. somebody didn't tell me before he should have a p. j. have her to spend almost 7 years in st. mary's mother and baby home. then he was put in foster care. most of the other survivors were given up for adoption. so the kid all the off to so i was one of the lucky ones. i was lucky, i probably would use board and maybe has
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a baby and that's when they survived. it's a frightening place. it's beside the said place because i could be in here was when this, what frightens me, what was going on in 2 was being practiced systematically throughout ireland. those were the findings of a report published by the irish government in 2021 and investigation into the countries 14 largest homes up to 1998. revealed that 56000 women had had their newborns taken away from them and released for adoption. the in the ultra conservative catholic ireland of the time getting pregnant out of wedlock was seen as a sin in castle pollard. there was also a catholic mother in baby home. paul redmond was born here in
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1964 of the building is long empty. but the home dominates his thoughts. he wants to understand what happened to him here. that was 58 years ago with a moment celebrate xbox, a lot of memories, because this is where i last saw my motor for the last time. i've never seen her since. the more than 4500 children were born in a home in castle college. a catholic quarter of nuns ran the institution from 1935 to 1971. paul redmond's research shows that the nuns pressured the mother's into signing adoption papers for their children. paul was separated from his mother shortly after his birth and he was adopted when he was just 17 days old. it's a very mixed emotions going back here because it's where i live,
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starts of my life color gone to one of 2 directions. one was to stay for the actual motor total was to be adult. this saw this place is like i'm a rail junction with 2 rooms or trucks and the old dry golf. the more it was all my mind. why was i given away? what happens? is there something wrong with me? he now knows that his birth mother is called adeline. she was 20 years old and, and married at the time, her parents paid the order $100.00 irish pounds to make the baby disappear. of the if you are pregnant, denied, and then you were married. then you are just a horrible sooner of a penitent, as they would do anything they called to just polish you for lunch. so it's important that we remember all these things and bear with this and make sure to future generations. don't forget, poll redmond has set up
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a self help group to make sure that doesn't happen. today he's arranged to meet others like himself on the side of the former home. yeah. yeah. cause you guys know, re, you get to see you guys are saving us. my whole wants to give others the opportunity to confront their past. almost all the adopted children are trying to trace their routes. many do not know to this day who their mother was missing documents and the non stony silence also dogged lawrence cloaks attempts to theresa's past. like when i started looking and i got in touch with the nuns and they said it's very difficult. go back and look for your mother, like because she could be anywhere in the world. that's gonna cost money because we lawrence received this letter from the religious order back then. paul reads it out to the group. and this is time consuming and could be expensive. so if you want us
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to go ahead, we would need help in the area as we are in voluntary society. well, that's the strait of lloyd, and we're not voluntary safe of hearts adoption. sorry, the sauce was a professional and registered agency changing baby, and they go pick up money from the government to look after. for 2 years, the nuns kept demanding money from lawrence and kept finding him off from the nuns, only revealed his mother's name when he threatened to stop the payments. and when i was adopted, but i was looking to come back and find out. yeah. and the 191991 race, i found a lot about 2025 years and i finally filed in about 10 years after that was a long buckle for a long time, the survivors were unaware of the scale of this inhumane system. paul found out that almost one in 10 babies born in castle pollard did not survive. ready
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literally right between a need are fee stores of those $245.00 form of burials on the $150.00 still by itself is about $400.00 pages. very dear paul has written a book about ireland mother in baby homes so so being adults, digital, fully 100 percent face, which are adults and families have the adults fully faced with charged actual funds either because they're gone. so with the volume is be easy to over, they do sort of feel a sense of kinship. we all call one another, a crib based on the group is being a huge benefit for everybody. and if i people talk about in the last about how it's changed our lives and made them feel less lonely and give them the best sense of belonging to the survivors for yesterday's unwanted children.
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the, the mother in baby home in june was torn down in 1972. catherine corliss has a scale model of the building in her living room. the amateur historian brought the nuns, appalling abuse to light. she discovered that the baby's bodies had been disposed of in a disused sewage treatment system under ground. she had uncovered one of the biggest scandals in ireland history. when catherine confronted the authorities with what she has discovered, the stone walls, nobody wants it to hair bosses that fight everything to come out against me. even
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the people per, per treasures of course tried to stop me a call because the counselor did everything in their power to stuff me because they knew what happened at their response. but so they did their best to cover up wild homes like whom were run by catholic nuns. regional authorities were generally responsible for their supervision. one woman against the church and the state assisted in her research by her husband, aiden irish media 1st reported on the scandal in 2014. catherine began receiving threats and that is still going on to this day. but she refused to be intimidated. interviews would probably got some, and tyler said that i had to do this. and especially when nobody was listening or want to listen is this is if i put another baby, so they become really babies to me. and just because the religious and that the
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word, the word in the parking and i put enough understand toiletries, it isn't bad. they brought into the word could not be in parkins. they wouldn't give the medicine, they wouldn't call a doctor. and they just let them die. i fear the court or the death certificate in particular. continue to haunt catherine from records of other mother and baby homes spacious. that's the that's for, for suffice. some other what the told us to she gave birth of the baby died instead of this faith and may have been given to a couple from america or are elsewhere as quite possible. that's a lot of the babies haven't died at all. so just terrible. i like them in the best or are you think you're going with in the course of her research, catherine has made many of the survivors. her revelations have changed the lives of p. j, have her tea and carmel larkin. she's returned a piece of their identity to them and america it is for him. now he's
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a carpenter. that's where you type in bar and carmen here and then the charter. so you know, back here that's, that was a bit further say. and then yeah, your poor mother then after giving birth to to the left over here, she was given 7 days, wrist with the baby. the notes the 7 days. so just and that was, it is open and do all the heavy work that's with population. lots of some scrubbing floors student over time. yeah. birth certificates, adoption papers, letters for decades. the nuns and the adoption authorities kept all these documents under lock and key. so everybody was afraid that the police, afraid of the religion, afraid of everything, day to control on everything completely. and the effect in that they didn't want us to do one thing and just hide over thing. it was another way of torching you. there was no investigation as to who did all of this done much while you with them babies pushing to adopt a lot of times you couldn't take the knowns. i'm anyways, because they have mess up amount of money. the government even were afraid to
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confront the known sort of church. they could get a top dollar to start or celeste, or in the world, not in europe. so how could you, would you compete that you couldn't when, as no one was held responsible for the dead babies of choose the order is none that ran the home. only apologize in 2021. when the government published it's report. and that report came too late for many of those affected who doubt whether the state is really interested in uncovering the truths. pga, however, t is now $71.00. he lives just a few kilometers from to a small farm. peach . it was just under 7 when he was fostered with the stigma of being illegitimate,
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has stayed with him his entire life. so when they came to my teams that someone's eyes got very difficult for me, then that's when i got the abuse from people that found out that i was born notices outside of wedlock, which is a big mark to send a volume that people just reject you. back to you and just called your names for no clear reason, then i couldn't understand why it's an old that's affected me growing up at the eventually then i went to a river to do away with myself because i couldn't take any more life. life didn't look back on june and i still have this insight, me all the time. like, you know, i really do. the irish government has announced compensation plans, but only those people who spent at least 6 months and a mother and baby home will be eligible. pga have her to you is said to receive 40000 zeros. we're going to get some peanuts. we're going to give them
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a fraction when your thing like those 7 years take note of my life. locked up what i caught up for the nursing home, i presume, like honest something you've taken over my life. i don't know anything about just and you must have taken away from you. that's what christ. in his early twenties, pj, i started looking for his birth mother. he asked neighbors and other locals and discovered that his mother was living in london. at 1st, they exchanged letters. then she agreed to meet him. from his mother, p. j discovered that she had never wanted to give him away. for 5 years, she had knocked at the door of the home every day. but the nuns turned her away. she looked for me, she went to do everything for me, but she was restricted. she told me of delays for them to know that she didn't leave me there because she didn't like me or she didn't want me. which was nice to know that she did want to make sure did over time to get me out. and that was
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lovely like, you know, it cleaned, it took a sort of feel, you know, that your friends were hillman, he who were part of the human race and over thing like, you know, your teeth, i'm with the image html that i need to talk to and i think so it went to northwest north of the in dublin. and a corrigan search goes on. she still doesn't know for sure what happened to her 2 brothers. so she collects everything connected to the mother in baby homes, birth and death certificates. baptism certificates and investigation reports for search has become central to her life. and i grew up as an only child. she only discovered by chance that she had siblings after her mother's death. it's like somebody has given you a big buying that a big wooden cudgel or a big wrecking bottle. it takes
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a lot of time to process it. my mother never had told me anything about her time, interim home. people didn't discuss it because in a lot of case scenario, and this was there was a lot of shame attached to being in a home. and i came across a medical report in documents held by the adoption authorities. an entry about her brother john read. he was a miserable, emaciated child with a voracious appetite and no control over bodily functions. what happened to discharge from birth to 12 months that he ends up in this condition, no control over bodily functions. if john is dead, i contend he died and i'd like to mon nutrition. in 2014 and i contacted the police. the john's cause of death is under investigation. for brother, william is officially classed as a missing person. on the outskirts of
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dublin, paul redmond lives with his adoptive mother. he helps look after his adoptive father, his dad is they were open about his adoption. it didn't really kind of occurred to me what's adopted meant of july. this 7 or age i would have a vivid memory of being english and then the 1st mcdonalds in ireland, which i was a lot of mirrors at the time. i don't remember seeing my whole family in the queue and looking at the mirror, it seemed to everybody else. the family had black hair and i had red hair. so that was one of the 1st times i kind of realize that's what it really means to be adopted. and i knew what it meant to be adopted, but that was the 1st time really most of the hit me. his adoptive parents didn't know what really went on in the mother in baby homes. so they couldn't answer posed questions. i started searching as
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a teenager and then i was 50. i took my bicycle, the side of things, adults. after looking up the address of the adoption society in the phone book, i like an absolute show i have to stay or nothing on top. of course, they just got read to me. paul treasures the result of his search. it took 25 years to track down his mother adeline. but on the telephone, she told him that she didn't want any contact. all that po has, is this letter, this semester is a personal touch. it's something she wrongs at something she touched. so it's, it's some sort of physical connection, the physical connection. it might not have a hold or a kiss, but at least you got something to talk to you on hold. i
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did find peace and bought a very strange sort of piece. i kind of became no more about the whole team. you can trace and you can search and you can do this. you can how so the government from mountains of paperwork going to the end of the day. you cannot make somebody want that relationship with you. it has to be their choice. so just like the pink floyd solve, the i have the cold calls to believe no. unfortunately the obvious which has to stay comfortably more, there's no more p j have or tea was at least able to meet his birth mother. i talked to him that day on like once we had the ice broken and we had met, we'd meet again on fox and today life took him home that way. he didn't go that way . decades of separation cannot be put aside just like that
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picture. his mother didn't want to interfere in his life and avoided further contact. 35 years passed before the 2 of them saw each other again. his mother was 88 and no longer recognized her son. she died shortly afterwards. the only thing is i talked to visa because when i talked to northwest survivors that and if i'm not the mother, i don't know if the mother even is so for me to free my mother. that was a big thing. and not knowing that thing, but to be able to go to her funeral and see how be led to rest. so i can conclude to myself, i've definitely thought of it. okay, man, have got that much more. that signal was off. now p j would like to find the last piece and the person who was his biological father. he hopes
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a dna test will shed light on that. catherine cordless is helping him to just show you, which is it's like technical if a test page you go with all the tests i do participate until difficult difficult and codes the yes. stop talking because advise you if dna records of even a distant relative of his fathers are held anywhere, p j will no more coat the whole truth and nothing. oh says catherine gets enquiries from all over the world. she looks for names and contact details of survivors, relatives with the help of dna test results and online databases. i faded gold. if i get answers for them, it's the same thing as to beat the system. a lot of those people who are bored in
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the home, they are not allowed to see their own records. see who their mother is older father is that information belongs to the fish and that's a social world. i get a good feeling if i find something for that family, they're so happy. there's still a time for i have changed their life. and what more could i ask? or the results from pj's dna test will take a few weeks to arrive. paul redmond is concerned with one question above all. why didn't his mother try to trace him? not only the long silence of the state and the church are to blame over the years, a kind of our borrower saw a lot of the motors. i've been told that it was a terrible more to say to reconcile or have a reunion with our child. that was dropping the incentive into boulder and baby helps. i live with something that really stays with monitors. because a more to say it was tossed the worst of the worst. i mean
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a rags up there were bird or am. and if you come in on board, so said do to have for all the time to see it changed my perspective on my natural love her by making me realize that she missed a victim. that we were both victims out to buy a person to weigh as well. in 2018 pope francis visited ireland. as a survivor, paul was invited to an audience with the pontiff. he asked the pope to set the record straight about models in all the time. many single mothers were told not to see that children, but this was a multiple st. i'm also saying for the irish adoption agencies saw a sudden jump in the number of tracing requests after the pope's announcement. i'm afraid of all the tales. we see that's the wall and the kind of stays with me the
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most in some ways. i mean to our mothers and the top, these and all corners live and they'd be living and shame and fear of silence for turkey. 145060 years old vibes of 5 lead the pope hive of such a free of all this nonsense. now what is a display stuff in new orleans around the motor a baby holds have a sense the ignored want. the pulp said they haven't tasted responsibility. they have and an offer to to call attribute towards re dress for survivors. paul's battle continues to wants the irish government to pay compensation to all survivors, regardless of how long they were in the homes. he plans to go to the country supreme court if necessary. busy anna is still waiting for answers about what really happened to her brothers john and williams. i'm
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hoping that they do find my brother. i mean we're getting older and 67 know this year. so my brother's into a seventy's, so time is running else. and there's more of a glimmer of hope there. this is a nice time needs and we may not want to know me, but i just want to say so your life survived. you don't think may look like do i wish you a very happy days? if you don't want to know, i'm just please leave. turn that letter for you. if you do want to know i'd be over the amount of bringing home a, introduce you to your nieces and nephews, a show you my show you where i live, bring use the countryside, show you where a mother was from, bring it to where she's buried for then you are peace and you can send me the piece for me. the, the government has now announced it will have the remains in june exhumed. perhaps
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this will give on a certain to you about the fate of both of her brother's p . j search. also still goes on the dna test, didn't provide any leads about his father's identity. i have names being told to me like, but to really find those would be lovely. but for the all the survivors, you know, my outstanding goes out to them. the silicon model is that what they're still looking for, their sons and daughters want to know where they are just to hold them because of the change. and hopefully one day that's what happened the,
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