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scoggins are waiting there waiting for a thousands of tons of vital age stuck at the russell border. crossing with egypt. 20 trucks were supposed to be let in on friday, but so far, water, food, and medicine are still being held up. the head of the when called the supplies a lifeline, and the fact that they were still unable to reach their destination heartbreak. scoggins are also bracing themselves. they are bracing for what seems to be an imminent ground offensive find these rarely army troops stationed at the border. well told they'd soon see garza from the inside. all seem said for the incursion to start. the question is, how will it and i'm gonna go further kimberline, and this is the day the what they do is on human it's a crime, it gets, you manage it. after this moment,
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no mistake. we need to eliminate the threats. we need to eliminate thomas ice. this is what it is to my suddenly i'm asked with points because like the power, confident in what it can do and what they can do. and we can do almost everything they wants to suck his round fruitful twice enough in the area that draws a lot of attention to the post post. i hope it will be very short. they focused, very effective and they will be surprised for these quite welcome to the show. first, some goodness, almost 2 weeks after israel stuff or the worst terror attack. and it's history. and over 200 people were abducted to gaza. a month has released to american women on your monetary and grounds, they say, unless you need a glimmer of hope for a country reeling from trauma. meanwhile, no good news at ga,
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the us border with egypt, despite an agreement to open the roof or crossing to allow a limited amount of humanitarian aid and to the enclave. supplies remained caught up today. the head of the un visited rafa, calling it's opening a matter of life and they are ready and waiting. the percentage of these aid trucks is supposed to be allowed through the roof are crossing the only crossing into gaza. not controlled by is real 20. you know, a trucks for gaza, 2 and a half 1000000 people need assistance. 20 trucks is dropped in the ocean of need right now. i'm guessing on the other side of the roof, a crossing there is may him and despair. even if southern gaza is where it is, we all told the northern guidance to go for safety sake,
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heavier strikes and con eunice in the south. and then the overflowing nicer hospital took in even more wounded for a critical care. there's no safety. there's no way it's safe and go, so how does it so you have to be ready to dine and to just stay in your house with us will be when there is a threats originating or uh, being conducted against israel from the south. and we will strike absolutely is wheels. army will soon move into the gaza strip. israel's defense minister told the troops massing on its border oh my god, i promise you that whoever sees guys are now from a fire. we'll see it from the inside. good luck. oh and is really ground operation will likely focus at 1st on the north with some us expected to put up fierce resistance. all of that pushing even more dozens south were in need of food, water, medical supplies, and back on the other side of the roof, a crossing aid supply stream into a nearby airport, destined to joined the backup,
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waiting to get into southern gaza. for more we can now speak to frank language. he's a senior elector in strategic studies at portsmouth university and a former u. k. military intelligence officer. he joins us from oxford tonight. frank, good to see you again. now since october 7, the is really army has killed several members of hamas top commanding brass. how much of a blow is that for the tower group? it's nicole. good evening. they've killed about 6 or a set of major lead us and operationally, i suspect it won't have decisive effect because need is always replaceable. and we filed that ourselves while dealing with the telephone on a did this tonic state, no 10 irreplaceable. however, i think gone at the top 2 level combat level, what will be happening is people be asking, who can i trust? is really seem to be getting some pretty senior people,
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how they finding them. is it to try to is, is it through tech, to, to read, to sense? so that's expensive. be so difficult, and cutting away more all, i think. but how mazda isn't quite open about their commanders getting killed. why is that? because as you said, they presumably risk looking week is about to come, but they will announce that losses uh with some pride, i suspect these become bosses and heroes to that cause i don't think that's i think that's starting over the circumstances. that billing, obviously with pride. mm hm. us has release to hostages today, reportedly answered monetary in grounds after guitar mediation. do you think this is a one off, or could we be seeing a major breakthrough here? i don't think it's a one off. this would be a strategic negotiating task on the one hand and a propaganda propaganda efforts on the other is that it's worth mentioning by the
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way that the stomach lowest got a settled with women and children should never be home and preferably should not be held as hostages, so this with these can be used are supposed to start with some kind of legitimacy but, but of course that's, that's just propaganda. what's happening here is a negotiating tactic. and we'll see, i think several more of these releases to remind the world of who they have and what can happen if uh, if that if there are demands on this. yeah. negotiating tactic to what end, because the timing here is interesting, isn't it? could this be an attempt of saving off israel's announce ground offensive? i don't think so. if there is such an attempt, it's going to fail. the. i know i don't think many of us expect the defense if the cost before before. now of course, all the political visits and stuff were put in one sense. israel has the up on the, it's got to wait time, the longer it holds off, the longer it has time to build up. it's a picture,
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the battlefield has set up its intelligence framework and it's targeting, and there's nothing that they come us can do to to delay that. mm hm. let's talk about the ground offense. if that does seem imminent, how moss is hiding in civilian infrastructure in a sophisticated tunnel system while holding? all of these is really and international hostages over 200 at this point. how does the idea of planning on going about this incursion? so there's a huge amount of assistance, like i think they, they, they have probably, well, the leading capabilities in hostage identification, location, and rescue. the idea will be to get what, what a co trick us on, on, and each, each hostage of a certain groups that will know a certain groups of us intelligence. the huge us intelligence infrastructure is now directed towards this as well. and it's, i think it's in the ultimate certainly isn't the open source is that us special forces are on the spot too. so the 1st problem, of course,
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is to locate the hostages. and the 2nd problem, the most serious one i think, or even more serious, is to get people in and get them out. and those efforts will stop if they haven't started already up very soon. and we will see results, but softly it's, it's, i think in fairness, it's a, it's a long stretch top, but they will get out. but the bully efforts of these really commendable is really intelligent system, plus the us and i suspect the u. k. job. any funds on others? i'll focus on this problem now. i'm not so pretty formidable, right? yeah. at both how i'm us and israel have not been oblivious to what's been happening in ukraine in the past year and a half. how could that influence the current conflict between them considerably, both sides been watching, particularly the developments it by the 2 into 2 elements. first in the, at the tone will, will be very intense in, in, in, in, in,
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cause i suspect is what it is. so just as i said before, we'll have to look up, they'll be looking up on the uh, watching for stripe drones suicide, drones and the costs, but for so david's and he's ready to be using drugs and any data on a like directed drugs. as you see or beginning to see actually in your grade as well. so there's that aspect to precision artillery. very important. we haven't seen too much of that yet, but we, well, so far we've seen arrow at i take the take the lead in precision strike. but i'll tell her it would be a major factor, but it goes to elements in gaza. totally different. not least the, the nature of the bottle is totally open. and of course, the tunnel systems. and the fact that her boss knows the grounds so much better than the idea of how big of a complicating factor. could that be a pretty good,
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pretty considerable. the idea of course the house has not every square centimeter of costs over the last 20 years. and well, it's in theory know it well, but you're quite right doctor, in some local knowledge is very important. is it decisive? now? there is another aspect i think, which is good it's, it's rather unpalatable, but it's not the less significant. it's right or so just want to survive from us tyrus, i'm not interested one, mind the other. and that's what it is that human element which will undoubtedly what the detriment of many people will increase casualties. and finally, of course, how much stuff that weapon of, of the many, thousands of human sales they are holding not just the hostages, but their own people on the political effect interrupted by that, that, that killing. yeah, i mean the world has been watching in horror really, to the, the deteriorating situation of innocent civilians in gaza. and that is even before this ground defensive has even started a how can, how my, i guess,
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as well as the idea of go about accomplishing their goals while respecting international humanitarian law, which both warring parties are obligated to abide by. it may be a obligated to abide by such a detail uh the one size, making the slightest effort to do so. we have to draw that bright white line between deliberate feeling on inadvertence, inadvertent coming up on the idea of come on this understand fully the effect of, of, of the destruction of human life in a situation like this. and when people do die, you can be sure that whether this compassion or not is why they come on this. obviously it didn't because i understand the political effect more widely of this and effective my telephone into us, particularly locally. i want to say, look, i mean in the region, of course from homicide. the more throughout people are killed from that perspective. the better. and $0.01 is what i was walking into a trap,
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it has no choice. there's no, no, no alternative, i think forward as well to do this. but it is, this is, this is the situation home us wanted once the situation to which is really tough to kind of, to, to assault. that was frank led, which thank you so much. always great speaking to you. thank you to call the israel is planning to evacuate. the city of curious, shown on the following days of classes with has bullfighters along the border with lebanon. the city is home to 20000 people and is just 2 kilometers from the border . is really, authorities have been steadily evacuating communities along the northern frontier. the need a goldstein have driven up to k yet simona to pick up the father level to take him to south and out of range of rockets 5 across the border by his beloved. so my father is revealing that that's one of which i can fix on methics to, to,
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to my home and the price of life. this is why the leaving sirens wail is a power outage of rocket streets towards israel from 11 on to yet simona has already been hit by those munitions. yeah, i me say it's time to go because this kind of about to ation allows b i d f to expand this operation of freedom to act against the hezbollah tire is a single capable of many residents having in fact already left before the enforced evacuation for the confident no return or action with the situation. he's here right now. is there a difficult like my body to say? but you know what we're going to in? no one is can be tough. that's no one is,
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can be done. this is what all over the world. they don't understand. we're going to fight and fight on. residents splitting the north and now joining tens of thousands of israelis who have left the homes in the south near a, gaza to another front and the fast of open conflict between israel and tomas is the one found online. this information is running rampant across social media. we're millions turn to get real time updates. i'm at the very real image are floods of fabricated videos and photo spread by both fake and real accounts. the companies behind joins like facebook acts then tech talk say they've taken additional steps to tackle this information around the violence. but the eu has reprimanded social media companies for not doing enough and about all that. we can now speak to caitlin tend rosman. she's with the center for strategic and international studies or see research has
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the impact of technology and geo politics and society caitlin, good to see here. lots of people these days, getting their information on social media with tensions running so high. are these platforms equipped to bear the responsibility that entails a thanks nicole. first of all, no, i don't think that platforms are equipped to bear the responsibility of content moderation. and there's a reason why the e u has already reach out to x. meta and tech talked about all of this information and harmful content that float on line over the past 2 weeks. and we're seeing that platforms don't have the resources to detach very large amounts of content, especially in non language english languages. i will say that platforms are in a very difficult position currently due to the very, very large volume of information that's flowing. but also due to the fact that platforms are making real time decisions in very short periods of time. they don't
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always operate with all the information, so it's not always possible for them to verify the claims that are flowing. so they're both technical, but also normative challenges that social shop social media platforms are facing right now. mm hm. and how are both sides in this conflict using social media to shave use of the war? think we've seen the boats from us and the is really government use post on social media. quite often, tomas has been posting on a platform called telegram, which is less popular in the united states in the u, but more popular in other parts of the world like russia and ukraine. i'm telegraph has very induced content migration policies, which has allowed mazda post very graphic or violent images from its initial attack on october 7th. and israel as well, has been quite active on social media. it's been posting on as formerly known as twitter, instagram, and other platforms. it's posted photos of is rarely families and individuals who
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were impacted by the get tap. israel has also posted it pretty high profile audio class of what it seems to be most operatives discussing the bombing at the hospital . so both sides have been very active and using social media and trying to shape a narrative, spend a message. and i would also just add that both sides are trying to reach that the international community. so their audience isn't just israel, it's not just palestine, it's the entire world. i want to look a little closer at telegram that you just as it's used by him on not only to spread propaganda, but also to recruit new members. now this is an internationally recognized care organization. by much of the west at least can the platform be held accountable for that or so it's very difficult. and in the united states at least we have very boost content moderation laws. so platforms are generally not held accountable for 3rd party content that users upload. that is different and in other countries,
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especially the e u, which recently passed the digital services act and the online service online safety bill, united kingdom is that it was that no telegram has not seen as much regulatory attention from the you or the u. k. i think partly because it's just not as popular in either jurisdiction, but i think going forward, i would expect the governments to become more interested in how telegram operates, especially if we continue to see bio in extremis. content emerge on these platforms in real time or situations. now in caitlin, you study the impact of technology and geo politics. how could social media and the content posted on it potentially shape the course of this war? i think it affects everything. i mean, users, people all around the world, millions of people are going to social media to find out information about wars,
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to respond and react, and real time, which seems that the content moderation, decisions that these platforms make are very powerful. they affect how so many people view complex. so i definitely think that um, social media also affects how actors act. for example, extreme is actors are finding that they can gain a lot of attention, get a lot of engagement for posting very violent or graphic content. and when they get those reactions, it's like instant gratification rate. it reinforces polarizing cues. so i think 1st thing, social media change both how people view and access information, but we're also seeing social media change, how the extremist actors themselves are playing out the conflict as tremendously interesting stuff. caitlin tend rockman with the center for strategic and international studies. thanks for that. thanks for having me.
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class as have broken out between police and protesters, add an unauthorized demonstration in berlin. at least 174 people were arrested and dozens of police officers were injured. some demonstrators used fireworks set fire to barricades and pelting police with stones and bottles. pro palestinian protesters were protest, sorry, were also held in other german cities on wednesday, including frankford where police use water cannon. and then you're in burg. authorities had bands such protests sparked by the ongoing conflict between israel and her last to prevent possible anti semitic incident. now a short while ago we asked the w correspondent has drawn from our parliamentary studio about the demonstrations here in germany, its heres indeed we just seen the pictures of those demonstrations which were banned for fear of incitement. and in other words, for fear of antisemitism. turning into a cold, full violence for instance,
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against jews or against israel. um and uh, these bad things related to this clashes um, now this is obviously an assessment that the police so the, the authorities have to make that have been assumed the demonstrations elsewhere in germany. it would have been entirely peaceful, so it's also possibly a situation that is particular to bolen where the situation is particularly heat at the moment. tempers aren't particularly heated at the moment. they've also being other anticipate incidents such as the styles of david's being sprayed on certain buildings um and that has even been an attempted attack on a jewish uh, cultural center with modest, tough cocktails. so yeah, so these kinds of things have been increasing. maybe one should say that anti semitism itself is not illegal in germany, but obviously what's illegal is quoting for violence all acting in a violent manner. that was on this bond. but one of modern germany's founding
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principles is support for israel and the protection of jews is one aspect of atonement for the non sierra holocaust or show up in which some 6000000 jews were murdered. the recent rise and anti semitic incidents has prompt and concern among young jewish people here, but they say they refused to be intimidated of the this berlin synagogue could have been set on fire had the molotov cocktails, north poland shores and struck the side walk in front of the building deborah cogan is vice president of the german union of jewish students. she knows the target of jewish community, well, shakira. i was shocked, of course, that a synagogue was attack, you know, but especially this one about because it is a very small community. and i didn't expect something like that. so how did you have the feeling of at least being safe here. but as we see now, that's not the case. coconut impression is that there is now more police presence
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in front of jewish institutions. still, many jewish people in berlin are opting to stay at home. and i mean, when i walk by some jewish institutions, sometimes i only see one police officer. and i've also noticed that they're looking at their cell phones instead of keeping an eye on what's going on around them, from problems or something that's about crowd with all the speed. even if it's still difficult to lead a normal jewish life in germany, a life and safety, long after the show, a 20 year old deborah kogan does not want her home to be taken away from her. them yet we have had over 1700 years of jewish life here. and i would say that jews have always been part of germany and many are now considering whether they still have a future here at all. it's sad to have such thoughts after all these years. after everything we've been through, the jewish life in germany should end with this. deborah kogan doesn't want to
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hide. in fact, she advocates for dialogue, even if that seems unlikely, at this point in time. families of german hostages or taken in the monster attacks . i've travelled to berlin to pressure the government to take more action. chances are off shots earlier met some of them in israel and there please have been heartfelt a y c stell. she's a really, really you woman, is this picture here. she's meeting headphone you bone babies, nor speak to marguerite moses was kidnapped by him. most terrorist along with 5 other family members. their relatives have come to germany to keep pressure on the government here. that's what all this is mr. schultz and me and i told you,
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but we don't want to interfere with the gentleman but but you have to do some of the attacks of less than with sleepless nights and endless thoughts about their loved ones. oh bishan. here is to try all of this is a gentleman the real back good system and not only shows them samples that doesn't really go well they're not simple. that's our time. but from all of us here on the day, thank you so much for spending part of your day. she's in the
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