the dw may 4 mines the words people have to say, that's why we listen to every weekend on dw the, i'm going to expand it, you're welcome on today's program. we're looking at 3 questions around the is around home oswell based on developments, sofa number one will from us release more of hostages in the coming days. number 2, good. the conflict, expand them to original one involving the united states. and number 3,

does china have a tangible role as a piece make up in the conflict? wake up with those questions in a moment, but 1st a look at some of those trapped in the middle of this war to elderly is very hostages. have been released by the islamic militant group. hum us. they were among the more than 200 people being held captive. but how much in god's up their lives comes just days off the 2 other hostages were released. the women were 1st transferred to egypt, then handed over to the is very ministry before being taken to a medical facility. content of eve, medical teams bundled the freight is riley hostages, into wasting ambulances, and definitely look for set you on a gyptian tv. revealing the latest release at egypt spoke with garza and the women aged 79 and 85 were kidnapped by homeless militants from the homes during the

terrorist attack on israel more than 2 weeks ago. finally free, they would quickly transfer to tel aviv for treatment. they were 10, some really good news and at the conflict he doesn't have to see if the 2 hostages . we are very excited about the local key, then medical condition is okay. and this speaking to us, when we receive them be brought them to their family members. the meeting was very, very moving guzman of use the homecoming, a huge relief in mind. the shot, i believe this moment would come. i wanted this moment to come. it doesn't matter. if i believed it or not, this moment is here. while the return is welcome, the women's husbands are among the 220 people. israel says a still being held captive by come us as on susan teeth around these sites, the families, fia, and frustration,

amounting israel has been a messing troops and we pens at the gaza board for days. but us media report, se washington has advised it to delay an anticipation ground defensive to allow negotiations to free more hostages as an outcome the wasting families say comp comes soon enough and early i'm, i call it sir richard sanaa stock or responding to jerusalem. what else we know about the 2 hostages, who have been released, the interesting they, one of the prisoners that was released and her husband, a relatively well known peace activist and they, what most of a lives assisting. dawson's assistant goes into seeking medical treatment in israel . they would go to the board to help them and help with the transport and bring them into is riley to get medical received medical treatment. so it's not clear

whether that had anything to do with the release with the decision to pick these 2 women to be released. but it's certainly very interesting background that you can see in the video as well. the, as they're walking out with, with the most militant who's taking them to the i, c, r. c, humanitarian workers to, for the exchange that she turns around, she shakes the hand of the mouse militant so that is perhaps an indication also of how the hostages being treated. and that they perhaps give hope for the others that are still being held. but they're still in a fairly decent condition. indeed, do we have any insights into how this release came to be? what do we know about the deal uh that secured the release we don't know a huge amount about the deal. we know it, we probably could between egypt and some of the days of negotiations have been going into this prisoner exchange. in fact, there were room is uh, earlier yesterday that some 50 hostages might actually be released, the jew nationals being held. obviously details still quite scott,

these are just room is at this stage, but it's being reported that that is still in negotiations. arkansas has been playing a big role in these hostage releases. we saw the other 2 days ago and these 2 and they will continue to play that role. egypt also involve now it's still the israel was not policy to these negotiation and thought that they were still somehow involved in that. they that was this, the sites this ation of foaming, in order to allow for the hostages, a safe return, and also for the humanitarian workers who are receiving them. to me, i have 4 people in total who've been free to by homeless, where you are in israel, is there now more optimism that we might see more people released in the coming days. i think there is, of course, this optimism, as i mentioned, we've been hearing that potentially in the coming hours or days another 50 hostages may be released. it's not clear whether that'll be released in one go. we know that so far or how mouse has not received anything of return. so there's still

a chance that they'll try and use the releases as for more negotiation. but we do expect that, that we will be single hostage hostages released. and there is also an indication that the us a cooling for this plan, the imminent this expected ground invasion to be held off in order for that to happen. but there could also be other ministry factors behind the former commanding general of us army. your ben hodges told brussels bureau chief alexandra phone. naaman: but those factors could be, and i think the fact that they haven't started the ground operation yet is either because they're not satisfied with the conditions they have not destroyed enough of the how much leadership and infrastructure with airpower yet, or they're still a doing what we call intelligence preparation of the battlefield, where you're building up your or improving your understanding of where the enemy is, where the civilians are, where the tunnels are. that's

a part of it. the fact is that the fed ground defensive men of what it begins to escalate beyond just the gaza strip. experts i'm wondering is one could be facing multiple fronts, including with hezbollah. americans in the north, in lebanon, the west bank, and also militants in the city. a that's all told there's fios eat on to could get involved. not to mention yvonne back to proxies in yemen. it's popular this risk of a wide spin over of the conflict that's bumped to the united states to deploy ships in the region as a ton. and for instance, the u. s. has already deployed the carrier, the u. s. s. general, our ford in the eastern mediterranean, near is around the us as dwight d eisenhower has been pulled up to join the forward as well. in addition, the range of all the us warships about 8, so on their way into the region. so what do these us ministry deployments mean and what are the risks of a why the spillover of the conflict into the region?

to answer those questions, i'm joined by christine our colleagues from the think tank, the john marshall fund of the united states because you know, lots to unpack here. i'd like to look at the us ministry role in particular, fast, very simply. what exactly is it as well, 1st of all, the deployment of, of aircraft carriers and of, of military capabilities, the middle east and reaction to the i have a mazda tax on it. so on october 7th, by the united states is a measure off re establishing the terms the attacks by whom us, as you know, were very much of a surprise to the is there any utilities and mail terry adds to the region and to the well? because these are at the military was gonna say that's uh too strong for something like this to happen. so the 1st step that the united states space is trying to accomplish here is to re establish the, the,

the setup. it turns off what your site is states basically sending the message re happy as well. it's back. anybody else wants to attempt something next, this don't. and i think the present 5 and has made this very clear in multiple messages or just talking about the gardens. what form does that tell you? because some of this by, for example, we have the instance of the us has gone in the red sea and disrupting 3 midsize, fired from human that are headed potentially towards each round. i'd be going to see more of the salt or fab support crew from the united states when it comes to the tenants. well, it's not the only if it turns preston for israel also. we shouldn't forget that the united states has most of the us citizens as hostages involved in this. so that's a derived direct concern for us to interest and also the us military facilities in

across the region. your auctions among others are um, endangered. are have been a tax spot in, in the last few days with defend by different means a on a minor scale. so there is also a certain, there's also danger. there's also a concern for us to security in the region. but of course, mainly this is directed as a warning towards iran. i'll go to my awareness, there is no conclusive evidence as of yet, as that proves a really direct me a by iran and the timing of the set of october attacks. um, it is clear that iran has been funding and supported and come off for years alongside is of the top seas in the region has been lined up as and uh and that one way or another. this is an expression that the, that the,

that you asked that sped to europe have underestimated the destructive rule off the wrong in the region. and that to turn against iran to us, you know, using this is that using this opportunity, 2 weeks more have the region really, really must be deterred at this point. now let's also expand that into the wider region because we keep getting a warning that is right. it could be facing potential multi front wall. but depending on whom you ask different funds come into play. what would you say the funds, what it needs to look at in this situation is very fluid. we don't know where that is going. this is going to be mainly a local dispute with the involvement external up as or to weeks to be this going to

develop up until inter reason why fi as you need to be very capital at this point. because the, the, the strategic calculations of all the actors involved changed by the hour as new supplements. so i think um, nobody really knows. but the concern is that as israel prepares the ground invasion into the guy, the strip fat at his bow, it will open the front in the north and attack israel from the north accidents has already threatened. and whether or not this is going to happen, nobody knows. but if this happens, of course, this would turn the whole conflict into a regional confident it would most definitely increase the the, the involved and also in the united states. this would practically turn the conflict into a confrontation with iran, and we're not there at this stage yet. and, and with all the big cam vacation this, what, how for the positioning,

all the different regional actors of united states up for the different, the different other com click send, you know, different associations that we have in the region to come in syria where iran is also very much involved the security of 11 on this security situation of other american l us in the region. jordan egypt. spill over to to, to your, um, uh, the humanitarian situation. so that's the whole, the whole tail of issue is that would be coming into play. and if it's such an attack happened, let me just run, ask you to look into a uh, crystal ball. do you think has beloved, with launch a full scale attack against israel as i don't know, and i don't think any serious analysts unless they have a insight into management into is bullock that can claim that they do their on multiple um they are multiple considerations here. so on the one hand,

um there is, uh, there is a, a quote, you know, an argument was bullet to make that if these are the military is concentrated on its efforts and gov up and then there is a good window of opportunity for as bullet to to, to attack from the north at the same time. so there's also the point to make that all the actors involved, including his bowline, including the wrong. and of course, israel and the policy people to obviously have reasons to, to, to prefer the escalation. so there's a lot of clustering also there's a when the wrong when they, when they really got the, it's like sweeping statements about, um, about the, you know, been wanting to be know about, about the possibility of, you know,

striking back on it and so on. so on and also these, that the statement as these belong on those lines. we don't know which to be. this is a fair bluff thing. they're just posting for public. the problem is, the reason is because you ran a government has established yourself in this conflict as the defender of the policy. is that trying to create the impression that part of the united europe the world is, uh, is, doesn't care about the palestinians. and they that they, the defenders of the axis of so called axes of resistance are the ones who will stand in for the rights of a student in. so this posting should also be interpreted in this line to where you live with their, for the time being, but thanks so much for bringing us all that context them this very fluid situation just seen a gosh, thank you so much as tensions rise in the region china has gone for a ceasefire, it has sent it's middle east envoy j june to the region with a purpose, the foreign ministry in beijing satisfied once that is due tonight and i'll try to

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