but then they disappeared without warning only to recess as a north korean propaganda videos. what's happened from north korea with love starts october 25th on d w. the . i'm going to expand it to you're welcome on today's program. we're looking at the 3 questions around the is around home, us full based on developments, sofa number one will come us release more hostages. in the coming days. i'm going to go to conflict, expand into a region one involving the united states. and number 3, does china have a tangible role as a piece make up in the conflict?

wake up with those questions at the moment, but 1st a look at some of those strapped in the middle of this war. 2 elderly is very hostages. have been released by the islamic militant group, how much they were among the more than 200 people being held captive, but how much in goes up their lives comes just days off the 2 other hostages were released, the women were 1st transferred to egypt, then handed over to the is really ministry before being taken to a medical facility, competitive eve, medical teams bundled the freight is riley hostages, into wasting ambulances, and the full set of jonah gyptian t. b, revealing the latest release of egypt. buddha with garza, the women aged 79 and 85 were kidnapped by homeless militants from the homes. during the terrorist attack on israel more than 2 weeks ago, the finally free they would quickly transferred to tel aviv for treatment. they

were 10, some really good news and that the conflict be up to see if the 2 hostages. they are very excited about the local key, then medical condition is okay. and this speaking to us, when we receive them, be brought them to their family members. the meeting was very, very moving guzman, the home coming a huge relief in mind. the shot, i believe this moment would come. i wanted this moment to come. it doesn't matter if i believed it or not, this moment is here. while the return is welcome, the women's husbands are among the 220 people. israel sees a still being held captive by come us as on susan teeth around these sites, the families, fia, and frustration, amounting israel has been

a messing troops and we pens at the gaza board for days. but us media report, se washington has advised it to delay an anticipation ground defensive to allow negotiations to free more hostages as an outcome. the wasting. families say can't come soon enough and early i'm, i call it curve, which in sanaa stock or responding to jerusalem. what else we know about the 2 hostages, who have been released, the interesting they, one of the prisoners that was released and her husband, a relatively well known peace activist. and they've worked most of a lives assisting. dawson's assistant goes into seeking medical treatment in israel . they would go to the board to help them and help with the transport and bring them into is riley to get medical received medical treatment. so it's not clear whether that had anything to do with the release with the decision to pick these 2

women to be released. but it's certainly very interesting background that you can see in the video as well the as they're walking out. but with the most militant who's taking them to the i, c, r. c, humanitarian workers to full, the exchange that she turns around, she shakes the hand of the mouse militant so that is perhaps an indication also of how the hostages being treated. and that they perhaps give hope for the others that are still being held, but they're still in a fairly decent condition. indeed, do we have any insights into how this release came to be? what do we know about the deal uh that secured the release we don't know a huge amount about the deal. we know it, we probably could between egypt and some of the days as negotiations have been going into this prisoner exchange. in fact, there were room is uh earlier yesterday that some 50 hostages might actually be released to june nationals being held. obviously, details still quite scott, these are just room is at this stage, but it's being reported that that is still in negotiations. arkansas has been

playing a big role in these hostage releases. we saw the other 2 days ago and these 2 and they would continue to play that role. egypt also involve now it's still the israel was not policy to these negotiation and thought that they were still somehow involved in that they, that was this, the sites this ation of foaming, in order to allow for the hostages, a safe return, and also for the humanitarian workers who are receiving them to me, i have 4 people in total, who've been free to by homeless, where you are in israel, is there now more optimism that we might see more people released in the coming days. i think there is, of course, this optimism, as i mentioned, we've been hearing that potentially in the coming hours or days another 50 hostages may be released. it's not clear whether that'll be released in one go. we know that so far or how mouse has not received anything of return. so there's still a chance that they'll try and use the releases as for more negotiation. but we do

expect that, that we will be single hostage hostages released. and there is also an indication that the us a cooling for this plan, the imminent this expected ground invasion to be held off in order for that to happen. but there could also be other ministry factors behind the former commanding general of us army. your ben hodges told brussels bureau to alexandra phone. naaman: but those factors could be, and i think the fact that they haven't started the ground operation yet is either because they're not satisfied with the conditions they have not destroyed enough of the how much leadership and infrastructure with air power yet or they're still a doing what we call intelligence preparation of the battlefield, where you're building up your or improving your understanding of where the enemy is, where the civilians are, where the tunnels are. that's a part of it. the fact is that the fed ground defensive men of what it begins to de

escalate beyond just the gaza strip. experts, a warning is run, could be facing multiple fronts, including the test below americans in the north 11 in the west bank and also militants in the city. yeah, that's all there's fios either on to could get involved. not to mention yvonne back to proxies in yemen. it's boxing this risk of why the spend over of the conflict that's bumped to the united states to deploy ships in the region as a ton. and for instance, the u. s. has already deployed the carrier, the us as general. our ford in the eastern mediterranean near is around the us as dwight d eisenhower has been pulled up and joined the forward as well. in addition, the range of all the us warship spot and so on their way into the region. so what do these us ministry deployments mean and what are the risks of a wide us below the of the conflict into the region? to answer those questions, i'm joined by christine our cars from the think tank. the joe in marshall fund of

the united states because you know, lots to unpack here. i'd like to look at the us community your role in particular fast, very simply. what exactly is it as well, 1st of all, the deployment of, of aircraft carriers and of, of military capabilities, the middle east and reaction to the i have come off the tax on it. so on october 7th, by the united states is a measure off re establishing the terms the attacks by whom us, as you know, were very much of a surprise to the east for any utilities and mailed terry adds to the region and to the well, because these are at the military, was gonna say that uh too strong for something like this to happen. so the 1st step that the united state space is trying to accomplish here is to re establish the, the, the setup. it turns out that your site is states. uh,

basically sending the message, we have the as well its back. anybody else wants to attempt something next this don't. and i think the present 5 and has made this very clear in multiple messages or just talking about the gardens. what form does that tell you? because some of this by, for example, we have the instance of the us as gone in the red sea and disrupting cream. besides fired from german, that we're headed, potentially towards east round. i'd be going to see more of the salt or fab, that's a full crew from the united states when it comes to the tenants. well, it's not the only if it turns preston for israel also. we shouldn't forget that the united states has most of the us citizens the as hostages involved in this. so that's derived direct concern for us interest and also the us military facilities in across the region. your arkansas, among others are in danger. our have been attack spot in,

in the last few days with defend by different means a on a, in a line of scale. so there is also a certain, there's also danger. there's also a concern for us to security in the region. but of course, mainly this is directed as a warning towards iran. i'll go to my awareness, there is no conclusive evidence as of yet, as that proves a really direct me a by iran and the timing of the set of october attacks. um, it is clear that iran has been funding and supported and come off for years alongside is of the top seas in the region has been lined up as and uh and that one way or another. this is an expression that the, that the, that you asked that that europe have underestimated the destructive rule off the

wrong in the region. and that's the turns against iran to us, you know, using this is that using this opportunity, 2 weeks more, have them reach and really, really must be deterred at this point here. and it sounds like spam back into the wider region because we keep getting a warning that is right. it could be facing a potential multi front wall. but depending on whom you ask different funds come into play. what would you say the funds, what it needs to look at this situation is very fluid. we don't know where that is going. this is going to be mainly a local dispute with the involvement external up as or to weeks to be this going to develop up until the reason why fi as you need to be very capital at this point.

because the, the, the strategic calculations of all the actors involved changed by the hour as new supplements. so i think um, nobody really knows. but the concern is that as israel prepares the ground invasion into the guy, the strip fat at his bow, it will open the front in the north and attack israel from the north as it has already threatened. and whether or not this is going to happen, nobody knows. but if this happens, of course, this would turn the whole conflict into a regional confident it would most definitely increase the the, the involved. but also in the united states. this would practically turn the concept into a confrontation with iran. and we're not there at this stage yet. and, and with all the big cam vacation this, what, how for the positioning, all the different regional actors of united states up for the different,

the different other com click send, you know, different associations that we have in the region to come in syria where iran is also very much involved the security of 11 on this security association of other american l. us in the region. jordan egypt. spill over to to, to your, um, uh, the humanitarian situation. so that said the whole, the whole tail of issue is that would be coming into play. and if it's such an attack happened, let me just run, ask you to look into a uh, crystal ball. do you think has belie relaunch a full scale attack against israel? i don't know, and i don't think any serious analysts unless they have insight into managers and into is bullock that can claim that they do their on multiple um they are multiple considerations here. so on the one hand, um there is, uh there is, uh,

a quote, you know, an argument was bullet to make that if the visa a, the military is concentrated on its efforts and gov up and then there is a good window of opportunity for as low to, to, to attack from the north at the same time. so there's also the point to make that all the actors involved, including his bowling, including the wrong. and of course, israel, and the policy people to obviously have reasons to, to, to prefer the escalation. so there's a lot of clustering also there's a when the wrong and the really got the, it's like sweeping statements about, um, about the, you know, been wanting to be know about, about the possibility of, you know, striking back on this role and so on. and also these that the statements of these

belong. busy names, we don't know which to be, this is a fair bluff thing. they're just posting for public. the problem is the reason is because they ran and government has established himself in this conflict as the defender of the policy. is that trying to create the impression that part of the united states europe, the world is, uh, is, doesn't care about the palestinians. and they that they, the defenders of the access of so called axes of resistance are the ones who will stand in for the rights of a student in. so this posting should also be interpreted in this line. can we leave it there for the time being, but thanks so much for bringing us all that context them this very fluid situation just seen a gosh, thank you so much as tensions rise in the region, china has gone for a ceasefire. it has sent it's middle east envoy june to the region with a purpose. the foreign ministry in beijing clarified once that is due tonight. and i'll try to push in june fonts to use his visit to the middle east to promote the

space file. stop the violence and cool down the situation. this guy, i'm just trying to stop different matawan, you use himself headed to washington later in the week. the visit is extensively to for the us china bilateral relationship back on track. but there is a lot of hum, oswell news lodge us officials want to see a more constructive approach from china, where it uses its influence in the region to prevent the conflict from whitening. already on monday, one you spoke to his is rarely and found a student apology counterparts. he's reported to have told is fairly foreign minister like go on, go to the current balance thing and he's really conflict affects the entire walden involved, major choices between war and peace. all countries have the right to self defense, but they should abide by international humanitarian law. and protect the safety of civilians in a separate phone conversation with ballasting and foreign minister. yeah, the leaky, wong said,

and i called china deeply sympathizes with the difficult situation of palestine, especially the people of gaza. china calls for an immediate cease fire, and an end to the wall to ensure the most basic living conditions for the people of casa to certainly not the more is the double china, unless clifford could. i'm careful. what is china's interest in the israel home? us war, well, i think we've seen and on many occasions in recent years had china is seeking to match it scrolling economic power with political and diplomatic muscle. and i think that this, this feeds very much into the, into that situation. it, it's uh, it wants to boost, it stays us as a super power to rival that the united states. it also sees itself is a champion, is portraying itself, is the champion of the global south. so there's a lot going on here, but at the same time, the gap between what china says and what it actually does is, and how it per takes its place in global events is enormous. so what you're saying

is basically this is more optics and self interest on the part of china than anything else. i think i think it is, although optics and, and self interests are often quite mixed when it comes to how china is betraying itself. because it's very aware of how things look and particular when it comes to things which it doesn't see as it's, as it's necessary, is this court interest, but which are very central to its boosting it's, it's global position. so there's a lot here to do with energy security. for example. there are a lot of the sort of issues going on here. and so dude wants to make this present itself as being a global player while at the same time trying to boost disposition on the global stage. we're seeing china stipends of china is talking about a ceasefire as talking about these. but at the same time, you have the fact that her more skilled 1400 people are mostly civilians in that, isabel earlier this month. it is also designated as a tenant organization by the us to europe in union and germany as well. yet china

has refrained from condemning some authors, actions flies that well, in some ways this is related to the fact that china doesn't really do condemnation unless it's a badge it's core interests such as separatists and seems young as they say, as they described them or, or add to do with taiwan independence movements. how they see this though is it is as something that's very much related to america. and so they're going to try and avoid the use of words, a condemnation, and they're also their links to palestine. go away back as they see they've, they've had from the times of german mile back in the sixty's and supporting the independence movement then, and, and various sort of moving suits and became terror organizations such as how mosque . there's always been links while not directly to hamas itself, but to 2 minutes into organizations. and i think against his background if it

doesn't like to use the word terrorist, but then it always avoids. it always avoids condemning issues overseas on the way on lessons as a relates to his core interests. so not so no condemnation of homeless but at the same time trying to analysis it respects israel's right to self defense. is that a change of doing here? well, i think one of the things about stepping up to the global stages that you have to kind of take sides trying to doesn't like taking sides. and this sort of thing. we seen this in ukraine where it's, it's tacitly backing russia, but at the same time trying to avoid publicly supporting russia on, on, and, and condemn. it has refused also to condemn the russian invasion of ukraine. and this one, it realizes now, particularly as long as you're going to washington, and with the becoming more than just an issue for the americans, basically doesn't have to sort of make some kind of statement. so it kind of just to avoid showing some sort of backing for israel or understanding for israel's

position when it comes to the, the home us attack, for example, with that i'd like condemning hamas as we mentioned. so it's trying to do this balancing act right now. so with the one you know, headed to washington, what is he going to say about the israel hospital in the united states? well, i think that's going to be fascinating. i mean, i think the, the bigger issue here is going to be us china relations, and that's what, what wrong, he is going there to do to try and set up a meeting between a huge and paying. and i'm joe biden. and i think they will definitely discuss the situation in, in gaza on the israel hum us conflict. but i think that this one, they're also going to be this going to be all kinds of buck channels opening. i think it's going to be a very interesting meeting one to watch do the trying. i'm just difficult. i'm thankful. a breaking that down for us. and so a lot has happened in more than 2 weeks, but it's worth remembering what happened on the 7th of october commits barry. and

he's read was one of the 1st communities that was attacked by how most terrorists, but many residents are yet to be located. and all part of these are still trying to identify bodies. the deputies next sunday, i visited the giblets as part of an organized press to a word of warning for view. as the following report contains some graphic descriptions of the how mazda tech security is tyson keyboards barely today. but on the morning of october, 7th, the army was nowhere to be seen. the more than $1000.00 people living here were among the 1st to be attacked by how much fighters they room to keep boats for hours firing. machine guns, grenades, rocket launchers, the how much lead terrace moved from house to house over hours killing civilians were taking them hostage to date this keyboards, this deserted all. what's left are burnt, destroyed houses, and

a community in ruins. of you know, these are illegal sorties want the world to see this and hear from people who are there. they burn the house on the smoke them out. and when they finally opened the doors, because it couldn't breathe and decided who's, who's to live boosted up the rami gold was part of a small group. defending the keyboards. he said they fired till they ran out of bullets. and i got to tell the story because 2 angels came to people from reserve soldiers. i have no idea where they came from, the us there was a munition in a cell phone, so we can pull up families and tell them where we are. okay. and we kept them going and kept on fighting. there was dark green army arrived when the fighting stopped. emergency responders, looking for survivors, found scenes of horror which it opened the stomach, what small children, a boy and

a girl had started to the back and tortured and i'll say tortured now. yes, i'll say the father was without it. they took out his eye. the mother was oppressed was cut off, and while the children were brutally attacked and they asked the middle and heating the food of how of different holiday holiday meal that this this, this, this family was suppose. the physical evidence of what happened at places around the country it arrives here at a mixture of morgan central is real. these are some of the up to 200 unaccounted for. people more are still being found. we are working day and night. it shifts in shift, trying to identifying every agent, every one. this is hard because people were disfigured,

mutilated burned. we are here doing what we're doing because we're thing. this is a holy mission for us identifying the last casualties and of all of the civilians that the got killed is. so in florida it's for us. we want to give them their final respect families waiting to bury their dead. and those who saw what happened or angry, as well as the raft at the boots, barry from us killed more than $100.00 people around 10 percent of the community. for ronnie gold, whose sister in law was killed that morning, there can only be one response. israel most completely destroyed gaza. they made a terrible mistake. there heard this very bad the damage they will suffer will be even worse. and the ideal zone,

they will never think of, of doing that again, is this the only way we can live together by them understanding that it can do it to a center emergency respond or ya see land. we saw the horrors says how most cannot be part of the future. we went through a lot, went through the holocaust. we went through a lot will be strong. the world is supporting us. yes, the one to piece is a very important thing. the piece. yes. but not with home us. peace seems a far away prospect here and the ruins of people spinning the better followed by the demo correspondence specs on the end, the time, the ex kramer. that's it for now. the is continuing coverage of the ease around. i'm oswell and our website b, w dot com. and you can also get updates by following uh, facebook and x pages. i'm british vanity in berlin. thanks so much for watching.

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