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as well then progress pop calls to everyone who wants to know more about this topic that concern us about this story is beyond the headlines world in progress. the w talk costs the in response to the militant palestinian group of mazda is the attack on israel, sweden and the e u while reviewing their non humanitarian aid to palestinians. while accusations are flying about a so called double standard in the west actions in the middle east, and ukraine shouldn't have any double standards, we should define the same standards when it comes to atrocities committed. my guess this week on complex own is swedish for administer. toby is still strong, he joins me from stockholm as the, the environment of gauze that intensifies how concerned is he that the conflict could spread in the region,
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and with the risk of attention being diverted. how can he continue to show up support for the war and ukraine? for to mr. bill strong. welcome to conflicts down. thank you very much. there are fears that the israel hamas moore could widen into. we brought our middle east conflict as israel steps up. it's one barman of gaza and clashes at israel's northern border with 11 on intensify. how are you looking at the current situation? but it is indeed a very, very affordable situation, which is now evolving before our eyes. and i think that we have to look at this from both the short term and long term perspective. the short term perspective is because we need to bring more humanitarian assistance to augusta. we need to in order to reset the right to defend itself against the atrocities of the terrorist attacks by the terrorist organization organizations a mouse on the stomach yacht. but we also have to move to the suffering of the
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people in golf stuff and to find a way to bring the humanitarian assistance in the shape of volta and suffice food and also fuels of the, the southern nation and fonts inside of golf sought to, to get special to, to, to the people in that is important. as the other hand rules that to look at the painful issue of raising the hostages taken by, by a mazda. and in this i can see many i was paying an important role european union, united states, did you end up coast, but also be out of state who i think all acting acting in a very constructive way. i've done to reach out to colleagues seem to be disregarded us, my feeling the with increased, it's humanitarian aid to the palestinians, but at the same time, you will be reviewing your non humanitarian aid. what does that mean, or are you just now checking if you indirectly gave money to him off, which the you, as you mentioned, they're classified as a terrorist organization to i think that's under the circumstances. so it is
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prudent to see to it that no money which is advocate it to the palestinian authority finds its way into the pockets of organizations not come, also a stomach, but even loan. so this is also connected to the question of the peace process. we need to seek it the past in sort taken functions and it is incredible organization . because if we're all going for a 2 state solution and this has to be long term perspective to establish peace of the region. to states israel, some kind of science being able to the right, my side, are you thinking about whether you will in fact reduce non humanitarian aid? for example, on the level? because i mean the you is the biggest single donor of a to palestinians to well, from the perspective i don't see that happening. i think that that is important. then i think of those that actually majority will. so
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a in the counseling favor with this, i was but we have to understand that that, you know, undermining the credibility of the palestinian authority. it would be a dangerous thing that could actually help her mouse and assignments you how to gain support this in the, the, the independent, the palestine in both the west bank and gaza. and that will be the be is really dangerous. when we look at the overall annual approach so far, um, what we have seen is disunity and confusion on display. first, there was a statement that the you said it's suspended, it's a to palestinians in response to the attack on israel by him, off. that statement was reversed. soon thereafter. isn't it a bit embarrassing in the middle of a crisis like this? i think it was. we have to separate the shows, so it is glad to hear about that. the statement goes to premature, but that was done by an individual commission. uh, nope, by the commission itself. and when it comes to the member states, well,
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it is the member states. so according to shots own, based on because the member states also ultimately who decides this? and i have to say that i've just come back from yesterday's meeting in books and books with the feeling that yes, the debates and discussions quite naturally repeated moments like this. but the, you have to maintain and achieve unity. now we have an upcoming meeting for the latest of europe in council now, wednesday, and that's, i think we'll bring some more clarity to but you know what it does speak to mr. foreign ministers is how they even expect to find consensus on the future of aid for palestinians and just the general approach to the situation. a, i'd like to ask you about one aspect of that. how about, for example, calling for a cease fire so that, that crucial aid that you mentioned, the humanitarian aid may be let into gaza for those civilians. the u. n. is calling for it. you foreign ministers couldn't degree at a meeting earlier this week. where do you stand, or least on the side of the high representative yoseph burrell is less,
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is spoken about to the humanitarian bose. i think of it because it's a way for what we have to understand again. but this is a very complex situation. no easy, easy solutions to this, no quick fixes, but the humanitarian pause would be the would enable us to bring the aging to, to goss. that's of a, something people in phones of food and. ready to and, and medicine and also if you will, and i think this is important. i spoke a little bit earlier about diplomacy and the prospect of a 2 state solution. you know, sweden, in general, back in 2014 was the 1st e u member in western europe to officially recognize a state of palestine saying, and i'm quoting here, and we hope this will show the way for others. you've been supporting palestinians toward a 2 state solution. is there any hope of that any more realistically? yeah, well the 2 state solution has to be cheap because it is the only way the only feasible
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way of bringing peace to this region to the people who are suffering to both disparities and to kind of it kind of spins and the credible solutions on the table have been for many, many years now, but, but what it boils down to is that you have to achieve trusted. you have to teach confidence in optimal leaders. and one thing though, that i take a bit of hope in, and i think the last is understand it goes to duty a moment like this, boom, in the bumps up holding it doesn't have c z a but that's you don't feel like this. but actually, up to every big price is over the last 20 years. that's the result of the peace process underway for what i don't think we have to understand. but this could be the outcome of this terrible situation which we are facing right now. and frankly, the swedish government, though we receive an alternative to the 2 states that have just begun to work in favor of this with talk this both in the middle east, with the united states, with the u. n. and within the u. hope which we all have. let's turn now to the
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impact inside the ink is borders we're seeing heightened security concerns here in europe over the situation in the middle east. the u foreign policy chief joseph morales said last week that when he hears, and i'm quoting here, religious authorities speaking the language of into a religious conflict and explicitly stating that europe is a party to the conflict. he feels the storm clouds are looming. he says he believes we are on the edge of the best. do you agree with him? i think that's the reason for something very cool. so we have to find a balance label. we have to acknowledge the indispensable vice based felt to defend itself against terrorist attacks. frankly speaking, which government wouldn't do best when you're faced with the little thing of your own citizens in thousands, such as has to be the case of the 7th of the book for toby atrocities. so here a pen contrast, they're increasing their security measures that including border checks as a result of the conflict and a series of violent attacks here,
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including 2 swedish nationals killed and brussels last week by a government claiming allegiance to the so called as law mix. a presumably and response to a number of recent cron burnings and suite in this past year. tell us a little bit more about the security situation and how it's affecting sweden in particular as well. the terrace deed was of course terrible. and, and we, we all know welding shop together with the people of any of them, the deer who suffered the loss of life. so for the family members, we also have to do close to the security with the situation. you mention it and, and i think we have to do the so many levels best. we do security police already entering the the some of the race, the level of care is the best from 3 to a $4.00 to $5.00 scale. and do we actually well, freight but something like this which happens in belgium. cool, but that most of the details from continuing along the same office we have already
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started to throat and that is to sam dahl and terry's. my we have to do is with the help of the police or the, the dialogue with people as significant push back. the terrorist threats and the levels which we see. all right, see 9 of the sides. but can you tell us a little bit more about how you're clamping down on the incidents that have caused so much anger? because, you know, many in the muslim world are furious about these public koran burnings that have taken place in your country. and i just like to bring in the example in june because there we understand that 2 men were watched by a crowd of people. they tore pages out of the career on the burns, them outside of a mosque, and they weren't granted a permit for demonstration. that's how things work in your country. they didn't hide their intent to burn the book. and yet the new york times reported this um, that the demonstrations were not allowed to burn objects in stock home. so how is it that these demonstrators were able to ultimately burn the book?
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the reason is, the sweetest, the biggest ation is constructed in the wave of the week, the permits but demonstrations. but that's who said by friday, they do not have a poem and to the book to but hopefully that scripture the crown or any of any of the book was we just government is now doing. you said we have launched an inquiry into the public school. the act which governs to police authorities and responsibility to grant phones. and that inquiry means that it was a but also the, to an opportunity to, to looting the, to the possibility of bringing national security when the brands and natural boot when it got to promise something which you cannot do today. and this is a to which the government wants to know more about and, and mr. foreign minister nero, neighbor, denmark, for example, they're taking moves to actually outright the bad crowd burnings following outrage overburdening stair as well. is it time for sweden to think about doing the same
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the problem is that then more because we didn't have people taking stations. if we went to do the thing which we are doing in general, that would be the constitutional issue. we test to the, to the constitutional change. this meeting was the democrat to do what we are planning to do, chasing the public will back that lead to constitutional changes invalid just ation because we don't operate funds. russia has meantime, been spreading narratives, especially in the developing world saying that's meeting is hostile toward as long . for example, the criminal controls outlets created a rumor that sweet or social services were systematically kidnapping and trying to christianize children from muslim families. that campaign is said to have read hundreds of millions of followers on social media. how wide spread is this information like this? how big is the problem for you to? it is a big problem and we can see that states both the russia states and states back this, russia and he wrong, is also not the company which is probably the best to sit campaign and promote that 18 in social media channels. and it has a very, very aggressive campaign,
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and it aims both towards listing, seen in other countries, and will soon see my own companies and my own company. we are now competing this. we have brought together the response of the sort. this is reading all the way down to municipality level and all the way up to natural score this in order to come out accounts to complain to these. and we are well on this from the government side to do so. we're also going to do it together with us, and we have to understand that this has been new information, both that and operational re now which we are living through. this is the way things are going to be conducted, effective fine things, small grains of truth and then you blow them up. it's an old russian trick, but you have to work against what's the turn out to the war and ukraine. how worried are you that attention and weapons will be diverted elsewhere? given the conflict in the middle east, for example, we seen the u. s. saying last week, the 10s of thousands of artillery shells promise to ukraine are now going to be diverted to israel. assigned of more to com. so you know,
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i'm quite confident in the world. so president biden, when he was interviewed the other day and said, you know, we have the united states coast, they're capable of having to co picks up in time. and i'm quite confident that that's, that this will be the case. and also the conflict in east bed is not cold. 50 ukraine. it is not only in a much, much smaller scale. it has a defense, you mean its entire make up, the boy ukraine. it's a lot scalable as something, you know, we haven't seen the europe since the 2nd level. so we have to look at the best point of view, but the price confidence in the box, the president. but where do you get that confidence mr. for administer? because i mean it's, it's quite clear that the us president though it doesn't always have his congress behind him. we've also been seeing divisions in the you over russia, but they have been taken to the next level. in fact, after hungry is or bon met with bruton. we've also seen the election of robert pico
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in slovakia, who ran on an anti ukraine platform. basically showing how quickly the tide concern . especially considering that slovakia was the 1st country to deliver fighter jets to ukraine. aren't you concerned about you, unity and support for ukraine? i mean, this is, seems like a clear sign of, of waning european support specified mr. taylor called to basing your package should be both the congress consisting of a to both ukraine, the swell and tie. why in, in the same combination, i think that needs to be built into, to, to the scope to understand the political realities. and i, again, that we feel confident about this, looking that to be you. well, uh, during the recent sweetie she, you pressing and see if during the spring we were able to bring forward to new se sanction packages against them. russia. and i think we are able to maintain unity and move forward. and i'm, i'm worried about this, but we have to coast and contemplate, it's not taking it. granted. that's,
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that needs to be said we we have to give it to norwich, acknowledgement to the u. ship of by the american people. i've said this public the last say it again, the fact that the us has provided so much military support to paint is the reason why a credit is still standing as a state that us done and also to come to financial support to ukraine. but it's a great tool, but we need to do more when it comes to military school and acknowledge what the us people are doing for grain. experts say that one of the few weapon systems that could change the course of the wars fighter jets. sweden says that it will only provide its griffin war planes to ukraine if it gets nato accession. is there? no chance of you providing these were planes beforehand? well, the, i was present the preschool friends top soon to the be prime minister. some of the residents were pissed, incidents give this is the dose of the, of this, this autumn. and the problem is to set them the student stance,
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namely that we have to see through it that's on a session process is finalized, but we'll be ready now training ukrainian fight the yes pilot. how quickly could you get new credit? the plans, if you are indeed admitted tomato but i'm not going to talk about that because that isn't supposed to be the type of secrets, but was i could say clearly nice. but once we have the company to members, things would be in a different life. but they have to do to our own security 1st, and that is a cost in minutes and in parity. another security threat recent attacks on under seas infrastructure this time of communication, cable between sweden and a stone yet and the baltic. c, a gas pipeline connecting finland's in estonia, also damaged. your prime minister has warrants that these undersea data cables are both essential to the modern economy and vulnerable to attacks. how vulnerable are you, as well, it's not just us, actually. we have to look at this again from an e u and from a native perspective, i mean we have, we have a neighboring country,
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no way. who has guess be it's an oil field space and see whether under was a k, besides sense calling me. and i think that we have to understand that this is also a new type of time which we are living mean. and the attitude of michael monthly is that we need more corporation was unable small corporation with the nato allies in order to, to counter. and this, and that's because of course, the, the more access that capability is when it comes to web. so they situations underwood so and then luckily sweden has the capabilities already. but we also would like to see more cooperation of physical space and look at something which is going to a way we can see. but this would be a truly be a very dangerous to to us. both for adversaries to use against. com is like sweden . so when you, i'm seeing that in this case and feelings, foreign minister said the to undersea his legs have probably been damaged on purpose. do you agree? is it likely sabotage? who's behind it? russia?
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well again, i need to say, but i'm not going to attribute this to any country right now. very so police investigation underway. when that is find a line, the end of the prosecutor has said, well they, they need to say i might be able to, to do a public statement of this, but the full that i'm not going to do it. so i think that would be both, may have some good stuff to do. so let's talk about your membership in nato, which has long been blocked by turkey. turkish president restoral type type air. the one has just submitted a bill, approving your membership bed to his parliament for ratification. in general though, how, how disappointed are you in the process of the demands that turkey has been placing on you? i've said it's many times before and i'll say it again that to the memorandum assigned a med reach at the summit team with the last you. what's important because it meant that sweden, on the took some responsibilities for the changes that the logistics related to
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admit him. on behalf of the t. yeah. and those changes have been conducted that means, but we now come back the organization to case activities in my company and, and will code different way taking measures which i left to people being. yep. and the products you know codes, that's one example. a man was a 100 about it just to be 2 weeks ago at full and to help you out sentence for armed robbery with a clear connection of getting money to send to the, the, to take. now teach a k. dawson's conduct, terrorist operations as such are directed against sweden, the territory, but they collect money which they use to terrorist activities against the to p u. so to, to you have had to dismiss claims, but the stomach thing didn't use this sum up, meant that to the key yet in order to sweeten have to feel the pulse of the ball game. and uh, that means or so that's the product. the start of the reputation process now the waiting tucker's phone and he's a, he's a um sign of this. um, but you know, with me there was the recent comment though. however, from,
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from the turkish vice president saying that we, we don't see a satisfactory level of implementation when we talk about those measures that you have taken. we have also seen air to one, you know, make a request from, from the united states, including the us selling f. 16 fighter jets to turkey is a precondition to your exception. you know, you've already taken all these measures that you've highlighted. they're ones that just too much for suite in what are your red lines a? well, 1st of all, this is a fundamental change of swedish or in security policy. the not responding to somebody is we have been a non military line from people for 2 centuries. so of course, the question of a few months doesn't mean very much from that perspective. and we have disappointed the tools. on the contrary, yesterday's news, well cause that source of joy, but we all through yet. we need to see the food reputation process happening to the okay. and then of course, also hungry. and yeah,
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let's talk more about hungry because they must also sign off there. the foreign minister has written you a very pointed letter, asking you to stop your politicians and press from criticizing congress democracy. otherwise it won't ratify you work session. the hungarians even uploaded that letter to twitter, and of course they know that you can't control what opposition politicians or price might be saying because of freedom of speech loss. so what do you think is that play here? the hungarian government, just looking for excuses to feel insulted. and how concerning is this or no, i think that's the darkest of the sort of isn't gary bottom as, as being very clear on the map. so saying that that we will be the last, the last to rectify speed that has to be repeated both by the time is the victim obama. no. so by my, that's what i mean, just the cord and that means that the hungry is a really committed itself. once the process in the key is on the way estimates,
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now we expect that's occasions to start doing counting problems as well. and they only have the final votes left. they've already done the commit to book and appointment. and also just on that, on that same line, there is a difference also between 50 and hungry wisdom teeth. here we have had a memorandum clear memorandum test, a take a test dates with hunger. we never asked for anything like that when they accepted . so we can give them the status as invitees, as last year, summer team agreed. so i think that that i'm getting parliament should move on with the reputation, and that is the position of us which comes som, especially in the global south, are looking at the wars and ukraine in the middle east. as an approach that is least with a double standards. one analyst. so saying there's a perception that the west tear is more about ukrainian, refugees, about ukrainian civilian suffering, then suffering and young men in gaza in sudan and syria. the former swedish prime minister carl build has said the following,
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this is something that we must deal with. first of all, do you even recognize that there could be a double standard at play and how do you deal with it to well, we have been very clear from all positive us or not costs. and especially my statements, which i did leave it at the united nations general assembly at west. it's very clearly that we need to take into account back to the training called big is something which, you know, is open goals and stuff or the world that because it means that you bring lots of those, the room space, but the older and the you and shelter will be gone and those are principals which means to go to a local office, but at the above, and this is a good bathroom stand, but i do acknowledge what you say. we have to take. we shouldn't have any double standards. we should apply the same standards when it comes to atrocities committed . we should also meet that means that the humanitarian problems which we not seeing golf stuff needs to be solved in order for this to be, you know,
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incredible pulled us the, overrated by the you. some diplomats or warning that the west is losing the global south. what is the danger here if this situation is not handled well by the you? if the south does not perceive that the west is handling the situation well and equitably? well that could be, uh, definitely that could be a threat, but i think that we are doing the right thing right now without seeking or reach out to be out of well in looking full solutions, both to the hostage crisis invitation to the terrace, spoken to the section a mouse and also the president of the human to terry impulse. when it comes to golf on ultimately the 2 state solution which needs to be both sold only by operating a whole base levels at the same time. can we maintain credibility of the global level, foreign minister based on what we have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us on conflicts and thank you for your time. so thank you very much.
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