the thoughts we say there is never giving up every weekend on d. w. in response to the militant palestinian group of mazda is attack on israel, sweden and the e. u while reviewing their non humanitarian aid to palestinians. while accusations are flying about a so called double standard in the west actions in the middle east, and ukraine shouldn't have any double standards, we should define the same standards when it comes to atrocities committed my guess . this week on complex bonus, swedish for administer toby, a spill strong. he joins me from stockholm as the, the environment of gauze that intensifies how concerned is he, that the conflict could spread in the region,

and with the risk of attention being diverted. how can he continue to show up support for the war and ukraine? for mr. bill strong. welcome to conflicts down. thank you very much. there are fears at the israel hamas moore could widen into we brought our middle east conflict as israel steps up. it's one barman of gaza and clashes at israel's northern border with 11 on intensify. how are you looking at the current situation? but it is indeed a very, very affordable situation, which is now evolving before our eyes. and i think that we have to look at this from both the short, some of the long term perspective. the short term perspective is because we need to bring more humanitarian assistance to augusta. we need to in order to reset the right to defend itself against the atrocities of the terrorist attacks by the terrorist organization organizations a mouse on the stomach yacht. but we also have to look to the suffering of the

people in golf stuff and to find a way to bring the humanitarian assistance in the shape of volta and suffice food and also fuels of the, the southern nation and fonts inside of golf sought to, to get special to, to, to the people in that is important. as the other hand rules, i have to look at this very important issue of racing, the hostages, taken by, by a mazda named this, i can see many, i was paying an important role european union, united states did you and of course, but also be out of state who i think acting, acting in a very constructive way i've done to reach out to colleagues seem to use because that's my feeling. the, with increased it's humanitarian aid to the palestinians, but at the same time, you will be reviewing your non humanitarian aid. what does that mean, or are you just now checking if you indirectly gave money to him off, which the you, as you've mentioned, they're classified as a terrorist organization to i think that's under the circumstances. so it is

prudent to see to it that no money which is advocate it to the palestinian authority finds its way into the pockets of organizational stock. i'm also a stomach. yeah. but even long so this is also connected to the question of the peace process. we need to seek it the past in a sort taken functions, and it is incredible organization because people are all going for a 2 state solution. and this has to be long term perspective to establish peace in the region, to states israel, some kind of science being able to the right my side. are you thinking about whether you will in fact reduce non humanitarian aid, for example, on the level? because i mean the, you is the biggest single donor of a to palestinians to well, from the perspective i don't see that happening. i think that that is important. then i think that those are actually majority also

a in the counseling favor with this. i was that we have to understand that that, you know, undermining the credibility of the palestinian authority. it would be a dangerous thing that could actually help her mouse and assignment to you how to gain support this in the, the, the independence in palestine in the west bank and gaza. and that will be the be is really dangerous. when we look at the overall in your approach so far, um, what we have seen is disunity and confusion on display. first, there was a statement that the you said it's suspended. it's a to palestinians in response to the attack on israel by him, off. that statement was reversed, soon thereafter. isn't it a bit embarrassing in the middle of a crisis like this? i think it was. we have to separate the shows, so it is glad to have a that the statement will sit premature. but that was done by an individual commission. uh, nope, by the commission itself. and when it comes to the member states, well,

it is the member states. so according to shots own, based on because the member states also ultimately who decides this? and i have to say that i've just come back from yesterday's meeting in books and books with the feeling that yes, the debates and discussions quite naturally repeated moments like this. but the, you have to maintain and achieve unity. now we have an upcoming meeting for the latest of europe in council now, wednesday, and that's, i think we'll bring some more clarity to but you know what it does speak to mr. foreign ministers is how they even expect to find consensus on the future of aid for palestinians and just the general approach to the situation. a, i'd like to ask you about one aspect of that. how about, for example, calling for a cease fire so that, that crucial aid that you mentioned, the humanitarian aid may be let into gaza for those civilians. the u. n. is calling for it. you foreign ministers couldn't degree at a meeting earlier this week. where do you stand? as we stand on the side of the high representative yoseph burrell is less is

spoken about to the humanitarian bose. i think of it because it's a way for what we have to understand. again, this is a very complex situation. no easy, easy solutions to this, no quick fixes, but the humanitarian pause will be the would enable us to bring the aging to, to goss. that's of a, something people in phones of food and. ready to and there and medicine and most of you will. and i think this is important. i spoke a little bit earlier about diplomacy and the prospect of a 2 state solution. you know, sweden, in general, back in 2014 was the 1st e u member in western europe to officially recognize a state of palestine saying, and i'm quoting here, and we hope this will show the way for others. you've been supporting palestinians toward a 2 state solution. is there any hope of that any more realistically? yeah, well the 2 state solution has to be cheap because it is the only way the only feasible

way of bringing peace to this region to a people suffering to both disparities and to publish it kind of spins and the credible solutions on the table have been for many, many years now, but, but what it boils down to is that you have to achieve trusted. you have to keep confidence in optimal leaders. and one thing though that i take a bit of hope in and i think the last is understand it goes to duty a moment like this, but the bumps up holding it doesn't have seasons here. we actually don't feel like this, but actually up to every big price is over the last 20 years. that's the result of the peace process underway for what i don't think we have to understand. but this could be the outcome of this terrible situation which we're facing right now. and frankly, the swedish government, though we receive an alternative to the 2 states that have just, we're going to work in favor of this with talk this both in the middle east with the united states, with the u. n. and within the u. hope which we all,

let's turn now to the impact inside the ink is borders we're seeing heightened security concerns here in europe over the situation in the middle east. the u foreign policy chief joseph bordeaux said last week that when he hears and i'm quoting here, religious authorities speaking the language of inter religious conflict and explicitly stating that europe is a party to the conflict. he feels the storm clouds are looming. he says he believes we are on the edge of the best. do you agree with him as i think the season for something very cool. so we have to find a balance label. we have to acknowledge the indispensable vice for bass fair to defend itself against terrorist attacks. frank speaking, which government wouldn't do best when you're faced with the little thing of your own citizens in thousands, such as has to be the case of the 7th of the book for toby atrocities. so here a pen contrast, they're increasing their security measures that including border checks as a result of the conflict and a series of violent attacks here,

including 2 swedish nationals killed and brussels last week by a government claiming allegiance to the so called as law mics de presumably in response to a number of recent cron burnings in suite, in this past year. tell us a little bit more about the security situation and how it's affecting sweden in particular as well. the terrace deed was, of course, terrible. and, and we, we all know welding shop together with the people, the near him, the deer who suffered the loss of people for life. so for the family members, we also have to do close to the security with the situation. you mention it and, and i think we have to do the so many levels best. we do security police already entering the the some of the race, the level of the terrorist best from 3 to a $4.00 to $5.00 scale. and do we actually uh, well, freight but something like this which happened in belgium. cool. but that wasn't the total was from continuing along the same office we have already started to

throat and that is to sam dahl and terry's. my we have to do is with the help of the police or the, the dialogue with people as significant push back. the terrorist threats and the levels which we see. all right, see 9 of the sides. but can you tell us a little bit more about how you're clamping down on the incidents that have caused so much anger? because, you know, many in the muslim world are furious about these public koran burnings that have taken place in your country. and i just like to bring in the example in june because there we understand that 2 men were watched by a crowd of people. they tore pages out of the career on the burns, them outside of a mosque, and they weren't granted a permit for demonstration. that's how things work in your country. they didn't hide their intent to burn the book. and yet the new york times reported this um, that the demonstrations were not allowed to burn objects in stock home. so how is it that these demonstrators were able to ultimately burn the book the

recently, so to speak is the biggest ation, is constructed in the way with, with the permits but demonstrations. but as you said, quite rightly they do not have a poem and to the book to but hopefully that scripture the crown, or any of any of the book was we just government is now doing use of we have launched an inquiry into the public schools back which governs to police authorities and responsibility to grant phones. and that inquiry means that it was a but also the 2 and opportunity to looting the, to the possibility of bringing national security when the brands and natural when invested permits something which you cannot do today. and this is a to which the government wants to know more about and, and the foreign minister, nearly neighbor denmark, for example, they're taking moves to actually out rightly band koran burnings following outrage overburdened stair as well. is it time for sweden to think about doing the same the

problem is that then work in sweden have people taking stations. if we went to do the thing which we are doing in general, that would be the constitutional issue. we test to the, to the constitutional change. this meeting was the democrat to do what we are planning to do, chasing the public all back. that leads to constitutional changes invalid just ation because they don't operate funds. russia has mean time been spreading narratives, especially in the developing world saying that's meeting is hostile toward as long . for example, the criminal controls outlets created a rumor that sweet or social services were systematically kidnapping and trying to christianize children from muslim families. that campaign is said to have reached hundreds of millions of followers on social media. how wide spread is this information like this? how big is the problem for you? it is a big problem and we can see that states both the russia as states and states back this, russia and he wrong. it's also not the company, which is the problem. this specific campaign promote that 18 in social media

channels, and it has a very, very aggressive campaign. and it aims both towards listing, seen in other countries, and will soon see my own companies and my own company. we are now competing this. we have brought together the response of the sort. this is reading all the way down to municipality level and all the way up to natural score this in order to come out accounts to complain to these. and we are well on this from the government side to do so. we're also going to do it together with us. and we have to understand that this has been new information, both bad and operational re now, which we are living through. this is the way things are going to be conducted, effective fine things, small grains of truth, and then you blow them up. it's an old russian trick, but you have to work against let's turn now to the war and ukraine. how worried are you that attention and weapons will be diverted elsewhere, given the conflict in the middle east. for example, we've seen the us saying last week, the 10s of thousands of artillery shells promise to ukraine are now going to be diverted to israel. assigned a for to com. so you know,

i'm quite confident in the world. so president biden, when he was interviewed the other day and said, you know, we have the united states, of course they're capable of having to co picks up in time. and i'm quite confident that that's, that this would be the case. and also the conflict in east where is nor contract the ukraine. it is not only in a much, much smaller scale. it has a defense, you mean its entire make up, the boy ukraine. it's a lot scalable. as something you know, we haven't seen the europe seems to 2nd well. ready so we have to look at the, from that point of view, but the price confidence in the box the present time. but where do you get that confidence mr. for administer? because i mean it's, it's quite clear that the us president, though it doesn't always have his congress behind him. we've also been seeing divisions in the you over russia. but they have been taken to the next level. in fact, after hungry is or bon met with pro 10. we've also seen the election of robert pico

in slovakia, who ran on an anti ukraine platform. basically showing how quickly the tide concern . especially considering that slovakia was the 1st country to deliver fighter jets to ukraine. aren't you concerned about you? unity and support for ukraine? i mean, this is seems like a clear sign of, of waning european support specified mister caley cultivating a package should be both the congress consisting of a to both ukraine, the swell and tie. why in, in the same combination. i think that needs to be built into, to the, to the scope to understand the political realities. and i, again, that we feel confident about this, looking that to be you. well, uh, during the recent sweetie she, you pressing and see if during the spring we were able to bring forward to new se section packages against them. russia. and i think we are able to maintain unity and move forward. and i'm, i'm worried about this, but we have to post and contemplate, it's a no tasty it's rented. that's,

that needs to be said we, we have to give it to norwich, acknowledgement to the u. ship a by the american people. i've said this public the last say it again. the fact that the us has provided so much military support to paint is the reason why a credit is still standing as a state us the come to financial support to ukraine. but it's a great tool, but we need to do more when it comes to military school and acknowledge what the us people are doing for your brain. experts say that one of the few weapon systems that could change the course of the war. as fighter jets, sweden says that it will only provide its griffin war planes to ukraine if it gets nato accession. is there no chance of you providing these were planes beforehand? well the i was present the preschool friends top soon to the prime minister. some of the rest have been so impressed. incidents give this, is it also this, this autumn and the, what the prime minister said then the student stance the name,

the that we have to see to it that on a session process is finalized. but we already know training ukrainian fight to get pilot. how quickly could you get new credit? the plans if you are indeed admitted tomato but i'm not going to talk about that because that isn't supposed to be the type of secrets, but was i could say clearly nice. but once we have the company to members, things would be in the different sites, but they have to do to our own security 1st. and that is, but it's, it goes in minutes and in parity. another security threat, recent attacks on under seas infrastructure this time of communication, cable between sweden and a stone yet in the baltic. c. a gas pipeline connecting finland's in estonia also damaged. your prime minister has warrants that these undersea data cables are both essential to the modern economy and vulnerable to attacks. how vulnerable are you as well, it's not just us. actually, we have to look at this again from an e u. and from a native perspective, i mean we have, we have a neighboring country,

no way. who has guess be it's an oil field space and see whether under was a k, besides sense calling me. and i think that we have to understand that this is also a new type of time which we are living mean. and the attitude of michael monthly is that we need more corporation was unable small corporation with the nato allies in order to, to counter at this. and that's because, of course, the, the more access that capability is when it comes to web. so they situations under water and then luckily sweden has the capabilities already. we also blocked the signal cooperation of physical space and look at something which is going to a way we can see. but this would be a truly be a very dangerous to to us. both for adversaries to use against. com is not sweet them. so when you on seen that in this case and feelings, foreign minister said the to undersea his legs have probably been damaged on purpose. do you agree? is it likely sabotage? who's behind it? russia to?

well, again, i need to say, but i'm not going to attribute this to any country right now. very so police investigation underway when that is fine to line the end of the prosecutor headsets . uh well they, they need to say i might be able to, to do a public statements of this, but the full that i'm not going to do it. so i think that will be both may have some good stuff to do. so let's talk about your membership in nato, which has long been blocked by turkey. turkish president, rest retire type air. the one has just submitted a bill, approving your membership id to his parliament for ratification. in general though, how, how disappointed are you in the process of the demands that turkey has been placing on you? i've said it's many times before and i'll say it again that to the memorandum signed a med reach at the summit team regional scale. what's important because it meant that sweden, on the took some responsibilities for the changes that the legit are ready to admit

him on behalf of the t. yeah. and those changes have been conducted that means, but we now come back the organization to case activities in my company, in a more coherent way, taking measures which i left to people being at a 130, you know, cools. that's one example. the man was a 100 about a dispute 2 weeks ago at 4 and a half year sentence for armed robbery with a clear connection of getting money to send to the p to take. now the teacher k dustin, to conduct terrorist operations as such, a directed against sweden the territory, but they collect money which they used to terrorist activities against that of key . so to, to you have had to dismiss claims, but the something building, you know, system up manage the total key yet in order to sweden had fulfilled the cost of the ball game. and that means or so that's the problem at the start of the reputation process. now the waiting tucker's problems, he's a, he's a um sign of this. um, but you know, with me there was the recent comment though. however, from,

from the turkish vice president saying that we, we don't see a satisfactory level of implementation when we talk about those measures that you have taken. we have also seen air to one, you know, make a request from, from the united states, including the us selling f. 16 fighter jets to turkey as a precondition to your exception. you know, you've already taken all these measures that you've highlighted. they're ones that just too much for suite in what are your red lines a well, 1st of all, this is a fundamental change of swedish or in security policy. the not responding to somebody is we have been a non military line from people for 2 centuries. so of course, the question of a few months doesn't mean very much from that perspective and we have disappointed the tools. on the contrary, yesterday's news? well, of course, that source of joy, but we all through yet. we need to see the food reputation process happening to the okay, i'm in a pool, so so hungry and yeah,

let's talk more about hungry because they must also sign off there. the foreign minister has written you a very pointed letter, asking you to stop your politicians and press from criticizing congress democracy. otherwise it won't ratify your expression. the hungarians even uploaded that letter to twitter, and of course they know that you can't control what opposition politicians or price might be saying because of freedom of speech loss. so what do you think is that play here? the hungarian government, just looking for excuses to feel insulted. and how concerning is this? as i think that the discovery is sort of as in gary, bottom as, as being very clear on the map. so saying that that we will be the last, the last to rectify speed that has to be repeated both by a prime is the victim obama. no. so by my, that's what i mean, just the cord and that means that the hungry is already committed itself. once the process in the key is on the way estimates,

now we expect that's occasions and starting to get him problems as well. and they only have the final votes left. they've already done the committee but to the bottom and. and also just on that the, on that same line, there is a difference also between 50 and hungry wisdom teeth. here we have had a memorandum clear memorandum test, a take a test dates with hunger. we never asked for anything like that when they accepted . so we can give them the status as invitees, as last year summit seen him agreed. so i think that the i'm getting parliament should move on with the reputation, and that is the position of us which comes som, especially in the global south, are looking at the wars in ukraine in the middle east. as an approach that is least with a double standards. one analyst. so saying there's a perception that the west tear is more about ukrainian, refugees, about ukrainian civilian suffering, then suffering and young men in gaza in sudan and syria. and the former swedish prime minister carl build has said the following,

this is something that we must deal with. first of all, do you even recognize that there could be a double standard at play and how do you deal with it to well, we have been very clear from all positive us or not costs. and especially my statements, which i did leave it at the united nations general assembly at west. it's very clearly that we need to take into accounts back to the training called big is something which, you know, is open goals and stuff or the world that because it means that you bring lots of boost the roost baseball order and that you will show up will be gone, and those are principals which means to go to a local office, but at the above and this is a good bathroom stand, but i do acknowledge what you say. we have to take. we shouldn't have any double standards. we should apply the same standards when it comes to atrocities committed . we should also meet that means that the humanitarian problems which we not seeing golf stuff needs to be solved in order for this to be, you know, a credible pulled

a seal pirated by the some diplomats or warning that the west is losing the global south. what is the danger here if this situation is not handled well by the you, if the south does not perceive that the west is handling the situation well and equitably? well, that could be, uh, definitely could be a threat. but i think that we are doing the right thing right now without seeking or reach out to be out of well in looking full solutions, both to the hostage crisis invitation to the terrace, spoken to the station, mouse. and also the question of the human to terry impulse, but it comes to golf and ultimately the 2 state solution which needs to be both sold only by operating oil based levels at the same time. can we maintain credibility of the global level, foreign minister based on what we have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us on conflicts and thank you for your time. so thanks very much, the

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