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7 percent in 60 minutes on d. w. what secrets lie behind these discovered mileage benches and 360 degrees? and explore fascinating. both heritage selling. d w world heritage 360. now, the best says deed of the news, africa is coming up on the program consanzo by the growing influence of the onto my grants group. oppression to do that. in south africa, they dress and act so intimidates the organization has not registered as the political parties hoping to win seats in parliament, but what costs to foreign nationals also ahead climate change is causing extreme weather conditions across africa. not only that,
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it's also contributing to human conflict on the continent who look at how they are connected. and we meet the canyon star gazer, inspiring young people to look up on each for the stats, the i eddie michael junior. and you are welcome to the program, a freshman to do that, and i'm to my grants group in south africa as registered as the political party to run in next the elections. the organization was created in 2020 as the social media campaign, with a hash tag puts out africa fast. it lead time off to, into an organization called authoration to do that. now the way to do that means push out in the language. the group has become notorious for reading. business is owned by foreign nationals, amiens' drive,
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the miles of the country. precedents. there are my posts. i'll ask them to permission to do to ask the quote, vigilante like force by the authorities. i've been seeing us slow in toggling increasing mob jestice. we'll get more from on a list in a moment, but fast deed of use diane hawkeye has this report from john his big. why, why this is operation to do, not they one migrants to leave, so that for can townships and are ready to force them out. the intentions locks in the name to do the means push out is on the they believe too much of the townships economy, race in the hands of migrants up until now operation to do last focused on closing down shops. they claim was set up illegally by foreign nationals. now the organization has decided to re brand itself as
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a political party aiming to run in south africa is 2024 national elections. and to find the rhetoric is at the coals, they policies. that's why they've been accused of xenophobia and inciting violence against migrants. it is not we we the so that's because political environment is quite competitive and supported community levels doesn't automatically translate into votes. however, operation to deal up in these that the issues that is competing on which includes unemployment and poverty will resonate with residents of the way to an other
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township. across south africa. over 40 percent of people of working age are currently unemployed in south africa. and this is late to tensions over jobs. many my twins accept lower wages and work longer hours, the locals. my pay means if working on my com walk up, you go to many of the companies, they've hired a lot of migrants. now people who travel from different parts of south africa are looking for work. we can't get any jobs. but operation to do that has shown us that we should do things for ourselves. it was in my area. most of the houses are owned by foreigners. have you got to become an affordable for local people? oh, no bundle. com. we're about to do something about our 2500 and i'm calling about the 999 in the bold up to the election organization plans to intensify its rates on township shops. quote, spots us they claim the firm own shops,
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operating legally or selling expired goods. and once the stores to be taken over by saw the africans, many of the shops are run by people from if you open to starting the o. somali communities is they've made some effort to the home and believe the country is constitution. also same protection. it says south africa belongs to all who live in it. there must be a plan of calculation if we're not making the direction in get for meaning. that's why we should be able to look at enemies. we have to because we have to guess and if some problem we have to look for richard because a know, you know, you don't want to give them a totally can for the location for it before many operations do live sitting up branches in old 9 provinces while the support is growing, in some townships,
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the policies don't reflect the views of community. many south africans live alongside migrants from across africa and beyond. from on this, let's bring in doctor anthony cuz the boney. he's the head of research at the university of john, his bags, africa sent out for evidence and want to start off. it goes leading experts on migration policies. hello and welcome to the program. say now do you a person who do not potty claims to have widespread supports, but how wide spread is that supports a good afternoon. thank you for having me. um, when one looks at the kind of publicity, what question did you like kinda particularly with uh, social media as well as negative conventional media channels? it may seem like they're more popular than they actually are. um, one is also to understand a, as in restore publishing today is quite a popular across the face of products that africa most of the population is
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experiencing what commented as a dr. triple try that. so you will realize that in communities better experiencing high levels of progress, united employment, they may get support. so it's not true. you get an accurate way to imagine that uh this or did you learn to in our political parties, has a problem. some parts of the country. mm. okay. yeah. but what they do clearly has set overwhelming consequences. one could say a member of oppression to do the apache. isaac lee slowly said this on record, and i quote with you illegal immigrants, us criminals, and the my school back to the countries isn't, isn't a phobia. so, we need to deal with presidents and we need to do with stereotypes and discrimination. and not also africans as an appropriate and not all for the cleaning or confused or data. and i engaged um,
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i am surprised that goes further himself. um uh, last year during a launch of 50 ports that i let striking one busting the car into minutes. they do come across saying those asset incidents they do projects. uh, the idea that they have um, a huge support and um is it is now was also wondering if i, if i move it honest with you this, how did you like it goes uh, can extend on products. so you really need to start looking at how the conditional action plan interest implemented um by the country in trenton $910.00 in order to deal with issues that are out of racism. first of all discrimination center for going through to other forms of discrimination to ensure that um, people who makes and a 40. gotcha. and because i have comfortable people who fish weight center for the expired and also held accountable me now, many supporters of operation to do that have been accused of hate speech and
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physical violence isn't the consent that they could spread isn't a phobia even more as a political party the concern is this is what the concern is for you. um last year. uh me last seen uh some united nations experts noted that. i still got sick. i was on the trip press a piece of explosive violence and they, we particularly focusing on a person to do that. then when it was a breach advantage. but looking at the way we are now and how the independent electro commission has registered the, the speech atlantic. right. we are very conservative. not only stellar stick party now it's, it's watering. it is why we and indeed outpatient. to do that, you know, they, they want foreign nationals who in the country unofficially to be ported. but he has the things that advocates constitution gifts,
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limited rights to all people within the countries vote is regardless of nationality or bad place. so shouldn't operation to do those actions to be deemed illegal or unconstitutional because from where we see things now they've just become it's, it's a natural part of society. the constitution, particularly switching to the bill of rights, gives rights to everyone, for instance, of africa. and it's important to understand and locate the level of documentation so that the department of former phase has a very big back stop. and the department in itself has administrative united with, with instruction. so if you understand the lack of documentation within the context, further more than many sort africans with the south faces that becomes very cheeky to allow such a dangerous group moving at onto communities to arise and p for an update. and so
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what does the rise of operation to do the see about side africa society overall? this instance we look at how the independent initial commission accepted or products and control a. it's a learning curve for everyone. it's a learning curve for policy makers for low make us to look at the criteria that have listed and whether or not it would be wise and acceptable to accept such updates. the fact that the impression device come out and say that today will refrain from exercising violence. it's still watering that the premise of capacity is a not understand this take, puts your take uh, understanding of what's the best you can sign, what's the best we can. so it seems to creates and foster discrimination on the on. so would you say the current government, of course, allows v a n c has done enough to, you know, slow down or prevents such
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a rhetoric from oppression to do that. it's because it's so slow, complicated that authorization to do the um the, the current government is struggling in several areas. and unfortunately, people keep political positions and people in senior government. they've also been perpetuating some of these reasons. special petition to do last less strong to which was around the lack of employment opportunities has been attribute it to an old us north immigrants. but if you look at the statistics, they presented very different picture that's interesting to investigate based and continued to indicate that it was about 6.5. can we can population in the country, which is in line with international norms. you'll hear that they make us are responsible, you know, for the decline and so is service delivery in the decline and social welfare. the decline of healthcare facility is looking at healthcare in itself. you know,
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at that proportion is to split statistically impossible for us to be responsible for feeding out chemical. that does sound funny cuz the bony from the university of john is back. thank you very much for your time. thank you for having idle, busy as global climate conference comp 28. there is concern about how are changing climate con, fuel and conflicts on the continent. we will explore the topic in a bit about let's perhaps look at an example from kind of where climate change has displaced large numbers of people in the 5 north of the country. fighting about water supplies in 2021, forced thousands of people to leave their homes. the you and hcr reports that around 50 people were killed in the classes. 2 years later, many people have not been able to attend the views, blaze a young travel to the village of bogo and sent us this report are going to go to
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out of here. i'm gonna do, but it's a successful call to follow the grizzers them around the village and we'll go well, he doesn't know what to do right now. the she at the drive she's in the started for to and this was meet. what you saw on the problem was the last don't go to them during the dry season. the farmers who have water close to their farms don't allow us to take our animals near them to use the water. while we have to move away and fetch water from the stream. another solution is to pay people who have the necessary equipment to pump water from the ground to even what the me, i mean getting not. and then getting on the movers seen the weather, become unpredictable over the last couple of years as seems like his feet are too hot and dry all to with the lack of water has become
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a source of conflict. these records you come in, the village is home to 5000 people. sally had to buy a new green meal. when he left his village, cheese was destroyed when vito is burned down his house 2 years ago. that was when fighting broke out between his drive. the 2 arrows at troy, middle, middle, the of capital had us lose before lost. the farm is insufficient man, for whom dom under the fisherman and our community created pills of water for fishing when a wedding that's when the cats will go there and start to drink the water. they make a mess and the water runs over to the pools with fish, then die. and all this leads to conflict between the fishermen and the cattle breeders had been hung up over and it did indeed kind of what the fighting was so bad that at least 100000 people flipped the chat before the 15000.
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i know intentionally dismissed person sleeping and comes like this one. it's like it's been almost 2 years since she left her home. but returning doesn't seem to be an option for her. the just hi, how to i've never thought of going back. it hasn't even occurred to me to return to our village because every time i think of the conflict, i get scared. i prepare to stay here even if i have nothing to eat, i'd rather stay here, then go back to my village. the people here have found a safe place to stay, but with the obvious effects of climate change still haunting this region. it may just be a matter of time before these people have to move to another place. outside the village move on to it, what they can he and his brothers this cost of what to do the one to thought it just to help the community around for the if the impact of climate change continues as it has no, i expect the government to find ways to help us and then we can never abandon the
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animals made of animals or the 1st thing we saw when we were born into this world. but the only thing we can do is we have trouble finding lands degrees, animals, and go to the government that has to help us data in our country bundles and uh oh . and the government has not offer much help. so the people at the can many people are struggling to find enough to eat. and this is a start of what promises to be a long, dry season. joining me now from nairobi can you is and as i mean most she, we from the international crisis group. she's a senior analyst for climate environment and conflict, africa. hello and has any nice to see you again. now based on what we just saw in the report from cumberland, tell us more about the connection between climate change on conflicts. as you can also, you have to and is this donald camry is extremely complicated. i think it's clear
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from, from your report that there is a lot of climate stress on the region. so, you know, 20 years ago people used to pray for rains now. those same rains, or destroying psalms, that's locked in the area. but also at the same time, you have a lot of water points in the region, a little bit of a band. and because i just drawing up, so there's whether it streams already printing a lot of pressure on communities. and i think what we can say is that they're all in direct. yes and no. i pull links between climate environment and dudley conflict. is it then fair to say that if we fight climate change, we reduce the chances of conflict in some of these regions. i think it really depends, but it could potentially be one avenue often where we have conflicts,
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whether the conflicts do with militant groups. oh, it took me to violence. we often see governments basically purchasing these issues with a very securitized response. but what they could do is basically not only step up age delivery, because often a lot of these regions need a need to age, but they could escalate the violence through community let piece initiative. but in the medium to long time, what of governments and international dying is need to do is invest intro as a patient in areas that are suffering from droughts. but also, you know, build up climate resilience in terms of slots as well. and they also need to make use of these existing uh, the warning systems. so to help convenient sees, anticipate and also absorb some of these climate shots, which are coming out. you said in
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a recent article that let me get to it. discussions about climate change can no longer afford to buy look motus of piece on stability. well, comp, 28th is just a month away. how confident are you that? well, lead us, we'll take this issue seriously as well. unfortunately, the signs at the moment don't good. as, as you for, we know, the distribution of climate financing funds from dining. those may ames, grossly on a cool, i mean all research and also research some of the other research as a show in the many countries grumbling with those climate change and conflict receive and on average only as such as the climate financing per capita. there's a piece that's mainly because of the cost don't as a really risk of us to don't want to invest in, in countries whether it's conflicts or political instability. but the problem is
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that climate financing is even more paramount in those spots all contacts and looking forward to cop $28.00, which is being held into by nature on this year. um, unfortunately, we still don't even have the basic guarantee that the $100000000.00 a year that was promised by welfare countries up from us and commitment was made in 2009 when 2023. we still don't have the basic commit many yes. and in reality, we're good for full money in the long run. would talking about trillions of dollars, no billions of dollars in the long run, particularly for the areas that we're talking about here on the continental africa . i mean, the future doesn't seem so right when it comes to promises made about money. so here's the thing though, is the global north does not fulfill the our responsibility. what is needed from offer gun need is themselves to address the double that sort of climate change and
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conflict, which is a lot of talk about a green. the vision basically is focus on green investments on the continent and you know, a new label, financial packed. you hear this from a kid is present within reach, so you over to all the also hear this from ebay dose is prime minister me and mostly on the bridge town initiative. so you're talking about a kind of new and national financial architecture where the developing countries could be helped through new and as in the, the, to sign up saying, basically, green financing all, you know, agreeing transition. but even that needs to be looked out through a conflict lens as well, because a lot of these issues, what you're talking about, you know, critical minerals, low comp and technologies. oh, yes, of course,
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african nations could benefits economically. but they need to be thinking about how they can negotiate that or deals. they need to also be thinking about and go to the destruction. how conflict could be sparked for, for these areas, reduce investments. and of course, excellency of don't stay on the doctors and regions. you could manipulate these investments to up. so a lot of these issues rich be dealt with, but they need to be thought about very, very carefully. right now the name was sheree from the international crisis group. thank you. it's time to reach for the stars in kenya with suzanne. and what about a she's sharing, have passion for astronomy by revealing the customers to people across the country . she hopes to inspire especially the youth, to look up to a future with no barriers. one studies at a time of use at fedex marine guy,
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and i will be as more in this report, the susan would have by now never gets tired of looking at the planets. and this does this tournament has such a passion for todd telescope, kind of revealed that should fix it to schools and communities around can you hang up that time? the travelling telescope is simple because the travel around to go telescope to different places all over the country. i've tried twice to reach school kids to give them a chance to look through the telescope, but also to inspire them to look up at the sky and learn about the beautiful observatory free resource that they have. she gets people to reach out by tonight uh, this is my 1st time using a telescope and as of what has been like interested in space. so actually seeing it from images to in person. i'd say it's similar, but like getting to get the fuss,
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hands on experience, it was with the interesting the travelling telescope team has had over 400000 canyons look to space through this machine. they optimistic that one of these find these i can young kid will get to explore space. it's not a question of a feature will happen. but our question of when it actually happens, they also have a mobile planetarium, where images from space, i sure, on the ceiling, for a big issue. the susan and her husband, daniel, i was a big fan. they're hoping to do the same for the next individual of ideas. that's it for now, all of us are is go to d w dot com slash africa, or social media channels. so you next time, bye for now. the
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